Another Hypocrite Bites Dust!!!

[talloola]

The real hypocrit is one who defended Clinton every step of the way when Clinton defiled the Presidency and the Oval Office with an intern under the desk, and then lied under oath about it.

Sounds familar, SirJosephPorter? Brings back memories??

The point here is, the dems don't go around preaching and standing 'supposedly'
on a higher ground, talking about their high moral integrity compared to
everyone else, THEN, make their mistakes, and do their bad deeds, dems are
people just like all people, some good and some not so good.
The republicans constantly try to pull the people to them, talking of their
goodness in the world, their 'values'?, if they would just keep their big mouthes
shut concerning that part of life, they wouldn't be laughed at so much when
they, (more than the dems), behave in a disgusting manner.

 

[lone wolf]

They're the self-righteous people who tend to ignore the folks they can't talk over....

 

[EagleSmack]

The point here is, the dems don't go around preaching and standing 'supposedly'
on a higher ground, talking about their high moral integrity compared to
everyone else, THEN, make their mistakes, and do their bad deeds, dems are
people just like all people, some good and some not so good.
The republicans constantly try to pull the people to them, talking of their
goodness in the world, their 'values'?, if they would just keep their big mouthes
shut concerning that part of life, they wouldn't be laughed at so much when
they, (more than the dems), behave in a disgusting manner.

Sure they do...it is just not big news.

They are doing it now. Whenever a GOP Pol gets nailed this is how the Dems act and whenever a Lib Dem gets nailed the GOP acts as they do. No difference...it is all about shaming the other side.

 

[Niflmir]

Sure they do...it is just not big news.

They are doing it now. Whenever a GOP Pol gets nailed this is how the Dems act and whenever a Lib Dem gets nailed the GOP acts as they do. No difference...it is all about shaming the other side.

I think Talloola's point is that the Democrats shame the Republicans by pointing out their hypocricy. The fact that they are having an affair isn't the issue for the democrats. That is pat on the back worthy.

 

[TenPenny]

Not all people can be considered hypocritical, TenPenny. Not all people tell others how they should live their lives. If somebody does not preach to others, he is not guilty of hypocrisy.

You just can't understand the English language, can you?

I didn't say 'all people', I said 'people in general'.

If you're going to nitpick what I say, you should, at the very least, have some basic comprehension skills, say at a high school level.

You do this over and over again.

 

[EagleSmack]

I think Talloola's point is that the Democrats shame the Republicans by pointing out their hypocricy. The fact that they are having an affair isn't the issue for the democrats. That is pat on the back worthy.

Not so true. When Clarence Thomas was going through his Supreme Court Hearings the Democrats found out that he rented videos. They wanted to get the list to see if he had rented porn so that they could shame him.

Sen Ted Kennedy led the charge against Clarence Thomas with the Anita Hill accusations. Teddy, the man who had a fling with Mary Jo Kopechne and drove her into a watery grave and took off leaving her to drown was the champion of moral values in those hearings seeking to electronically lynch an African American jurist.

Who was being hypocritical.

It's all about shaming the other party.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I think Talloola's point is that the Democrats shame the Republicans by pointing out their hypocricy. The fact that they are having an affair isn't the issue for the democrats. That is pat on the back worthy.

Niflmir, I remember an episode from the comedy show ‘Dharma and Greg’. Greg was running for the city council. He was caught having sex in a car with a woman, and the reporters had a field day with it. Then it turned out that the woman was Dharma, his wife.

Bill Maher had a small cameo in it. He commented “I just cannot figure out this guy. He was having sex with his wife, so he clearly cannot be a Democrat. On the other hand, he was having sex, so he cannot be a Republican.”

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Sure they do...it is just not big news.

They are doing it now. Whenever a GOP Pol gets nailed this is how the Dems act and whenever a Lib Dem gets nailed the GOP acts as they do. No difference...it is all about shaming the other side.

EagleSmack, I just heard in the news that Ensign has stepped down from the chairmanship of a Congressional committee (apparently he was chairman of some committee). So he did pay a price for his hypocrisy.

If this had been a Democratic Senator having sex with his staffer, I doubt that he would have to step down. As Niflmir pointed out, it is the hypocrisy that is important, not the adultery. Adultery is not illegal; it is between him and his wife.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Not so true. When Clarence Thomas was going through his Supreme Court Hearings the Democrats found out that he rented videos. They wanted to get the list to see if he had rented porn so that they could shame him.

Sen Ted Kennedy led the charge against Clarence Thomas with the Anita Hill accusations. Teddy, the man who had a fling with Mary Jo Kopechne and drove her into a watery grave and took off leaving her to drown was the champion of moral values in those hearings seeking to electronically lynch an African American jurist.

Who was being hypocritical.

It's all about shaming the other party.

That had nothing to do with hypocrisy, EagleSmack. Thomas was being considered for the Supreme Court and it was the duty of all the Senators to enquire into his credentials for it.

That had nothing to do with hypocrisy. If Kenney et al had been guilty of some objectionable conduct; their constituents will deal with it. Same as Thomas’ constituents (in this case the Senators) had to deal with his credentials.

Incidentally, I still don’t think he should have been confirmed. He is the most loyal Republican on the bench; he simply closes his eyes and votes Republican on each and every issue. Thus when the Texas Sodomy law was before the Supreme Court (which made sodomy a crime punishable by ten years of imprisonment), Thomas again closed his eyes and voted the official Republican Party line, he voted to uphold the law. Fortunately other Justices were not so partisan, the law was struck down.

In my opinion, Thomas is the weakest member of the bench; I think he was confirmed just because he was black. At least a few Senators were guilted into voting for him. Had he been white, he would have suffered the same fate as Robert Bork.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Surfing the net, I learned something new about Ensign. Apparently he is a member of the extreme right wing Fundamentalist group Promise Keepers.

So he officially belongs to religious right, he is a card carrying member. Now, why doesn’t that surprise me?

Anyway, I know a little bit about promise keepers. It is a Fundamentalist Christian, men only organization. It is dedicated to the principle of male superiority (as championed by the Bible, of course). One of its basic tenets is that man is the master of the house, and his wife must be submissive, subservient to him.

So I suppose it would make sense for a member of the Promise keepers to commit adultery. According to the Bible, man is the boss, wife is his subordinate. So naturally the boss can do whatever he wants, his subordinate has no right to question him.

So Ensign not only joins the ranks of Gingrich, Mark Foley, Larry Craig etc., but he also joins the ranks of Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard etc. What a piece of goods.

 

[lone wolf]

...yeah, but that's only your opinion.....

 

[talloola]

Sure they do...it is just not big news.

They are doing it now. Whenever a GOP Pol gets nailed this is how the Dems act and whenever a Lib Dem gets nailed the GOP acts as they do. No difference...it is all about shaming the other side.

For me it's 'not' all about thinking of all the awful things that both/either party
did, it's only about the republicans constantly spouting off about their higher
moral values, which the democrats do not do, they are all the same as human
beings, so don't pretend your moral values are better than anyone elses, that
is only to GET votes, you're not fooling anyone, and when they do get caught
doing smutty things, they look worse, because they bragged over and over that
they are morally better, and have higher values, they don't.

 

[taxslave]

Sir Joe; The article didn't say but was the staffer male or female?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Sir Joe; The article didn't say but was the staffer male or female?

Staffer was female, and I think her husband knew about it. Apparently he asked for a lot of money to keep quiet.

As I said before, adultery is not the issue here. They are all consenting adults, and what they do is between them, and nobody's business. The issue here is hypocrisy. He paid political price for hypocrisy, not for adultery. A liberal politician in his place would not have paid any political price.

 

[Cannuck]

You still haven't explained how he was hypocritical.

 

[TenPenny]

A few tidbits that might help certain people understand why he could be considered a hypocrite:


In 1998, after President Bill Clinton admitted to having committed adultery with Monica Lewinsky, Ensign called on him to resign, saying, "He has no credibility left."[16]
In 2004, Ensign spoke on the Senate floor in favor of the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment, which would have barred states from recognizing same-sex marriage. Ensign said:

Marriage is the cornerstone on which our society was founded. For those who say that the Constitution is so sacred that we cannot or should not adopt the Federal Marriage Amendment, I would simply point out that marriage, and the sanctity of that institution, predates the American Constitution and the founding of our nation.[17]

Ensign is a member of the Pentecostal International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, and is the only Pentecostal in the Senate. He attends a Foursquare church in northwest Las Vegas.[8] According to The New York Times, during college at Colorado State, he became a born-again Christian and he and his wife, Darlene, were active in the Promise Keepers, an evangelical group. Notably, the Promise Keepers place great store by men keeping their promises.
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[SirJosephPorter]

According to The New York Times, during college at Colorado State, he became a born-again Christian and he and his wife, Darlene, were active in the Promise Keepers, an evangelical group.

Just a small correction, TenPenny. I don’t think his wife could possibly have been active in Promise Keepers, unless they have a female auxiliary. Promise Keepers is a men only organization, dedicated to men keeping their promises (of asserting their authority in the family, as commanded by the Bible, in other words they promise to be the boss, the leader in the family).

 

[YukonJack]

Promise keepers KEEP THEIR PROMISE.

Only to a liberal is keeping a promise is a fault.

 

[EagleSmack]

For me it's 'not' all about thinking of all the awful things that both/either party
did, it's only about the republicans constantly spouting off about their higher
moral values, which the democrats do not do, they are all the same as human
beings, so don't pretend your moral values are better than anyone elses, that
is only to GET votes, you're not fooling anyone, and when they do get caught
doing smutty things, they look worse, because they bragged over and over that
they are morally better, and have higher values, they don't.

Talloola the Democrats most certainly talk of family and high moral values. They just aren't called on them.

Let me point something out.

When a GOP politician gets nailed doing stuff like this the Democrats use the hypocrit moral value attack on them. The Dems go out of their way to shame them.

When a Dem gets caught doing this the GOP goes out of their way to shame them as well.

The Dems response to an attack on their own is to quickly point out past GOP incidents and calls the GOP hypocrits. They say that their private lives are their own business and that the GOP is "mean spirited" in their attacks. So the Dems lives are private but when a GOP politician screws up his life becomes fair game. Very hypocritical in my opinion.

The GOP's response is to pretty much abandon their own. As pointed out, the recent GOP politician under fire attacked Larry Craig who was a Republican.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Promise keepers KEEP THEIR PROMISE.

Only to a liberal is keeping a promise is a fault.

Sure they do Yukon, but the question is, what promise. If somebody promises to commit a murder, keeping that promise is a fault.

With Promise Keepers, the promise is to assert their leadership in the home, to assume their God ordained role (as they see it) of being the boss in the home, to lord it over his wife.

Keeping that promise is a fault, at least in my opinion.