Another Greyhound knife attack

[Praxius]

I think there have been more than 5 people killed with knives. Banning them is good enough for me because I don't like people dying, especially nice ones.

I didn't say generally if 5 people died by a knife, I said if someone within Canada kills more then 5 people with a knife and this sort of situation continues as a repeated problem via other people comitting the same type of crime with a knife, then I might look into it.

 

[L Gilbert]

I didn't say generally if 5 people died by a knife, I said if someone within Canada kills more then 5 people with a knife and this sort of situation continues as a repeated problem via other people comitting the same type of crime with a knife, then I might look into it.

I read the first part. Didn't see the part about "this situation continuing as a repeated problem....". But it is a repeated problem. A little while ago someone else was killed in a bus. Toronto police responded to 167 stabbings by the end of April this year. That's up from 58 the previous year from Jan to Apr. Knifings are even worse in the UK.
And I said I think there have been more than 5 people killed by knives. Tons more by vehicles. Lots by critter attacks.

 

[karrie]

Les, he means a mass killing by a knife. 5 in one shot.

 

[L Gilbert]

Les, he means a mass killing by a knife. 5 in one shot.

I know. And I made a comment similar to his but different. (just playing)

 

[lone wolf]

Les, he means a mass killing by a knife. 5 in one shot.

Five in one shot? Methinks you'd want to take a look at outlawing ninjas....

 

[L Gilbert]

roflmao @ Mr. Wolf

 

[Praxius]

I read the first part. Didn't see the part about "this situation continuing as a repeated problem....".

"The moment I hear of repeated situations of someone in Canada killing 5 or more people with a knife...."

AKA:

".... someone within Canada kills more then 5 people with a knife and this sort of situation continues as a repeated problem via other people comitting the same type of crime with a knife....."

Seems pretty much the same to me.

But it is a repeated problem. A little while ago someone else was killed in a bus. Toronto police responded to 167 stabbings by the end of April this year. That's up from 58 the previous year from Jan to Apr. Knifings are even worse in the UK.
And I said I think there have been more than 5 people killed by knives. Tons more by vehicles. Lots by critter attacks.

My point was that it is far more difficult to kill multiple people with a knife before a few of them gank their ass and shove the knife into their eyeball, then it is with a firearm with multiple rounds.

Once knives becomes as problematic as the Handgun situation, then I could perhaps look at it being something that needs to be addressed with the same level of vigor as firearms.

As it goes for this sort of situation with the buses, a portable metal detector wand to check everybody as they walk on the bus, and checking bags would be a good start.

As for this situation in paticular, the OPP should have perhaps re-evaluated their decision in letting this person of interest to be thrown onto the bus with other citizens abiding to the law.

 

[L Gilbert]

Apparently, you missed the part where I told Karrie I was playing.
At any rate, as I heard one RCMP bigwig say, if people want to kill and they don't have a firearm handy, they will find another item ande sharp items is what they seem to reach for in the absence of firearms. Hence the knifing increases in the UK.
Either way, I wonder how many injuries and deaths are caused by firearms as opposed to knives.

Last Wednesday, Statistics Canada released its study for 2006 entitled: Firearms and Violent Crime (see link below). It reported that firearms were used in only 2.4 percent of all violent crime in Canada in 2006. It also reported that handguns (that are supposed to have been registered since 1934) made up nearly two-thirds of all firearms used. CanWest news summarized the Statistics Canada report this way: “In 2006, three-quarters of all violent crime victims were attacked by people without any weapons at all. Knives, clubs and other blunt instruments were used against 9.2 per cent of victims, while guns were used against only 2.4 percent. Knives were used to commit more murders, robberies, sexual assaults and assaults than guns.”

- http://jacksnewswatch.com/2008/03/0...nfirms-firearms-and-violent-crime-not-linked/

Yet a lot of people have this phobia, or neuroses, or irrational opinion about firearms.

 

[Unforgiven]

Les, he means a mass killing by a knife. 5 in one shot.

Funny thing is that the very best Japanese Katana are five body swords. Yes you guessed it, they can, in the hands of a devout master go through five bodies in a single blow. The odd things is that any blade that will do that sort of thing, and it's not an easy sort of thing to do, is priceless and most likely in a museum in Japan. Now ain't that something!

 

[Risus]

Did I hear jack Layton say we should ban knives????

 

[Machjo]

Escorts are expensive. I say string the guy like a hog and then throw him on the bus. It could serve as moral education for children, and make the ride more fun and interesting for them:

Kid: Mummy, the man says he's hungry, but he can't move. What can we do?
Man: There's a banana in my bag, kid. could you please take it out, peel it open, and put it to my mouth so I can f*****g eat it. Damn those strings are tied tight.
Mum: Whatch your filthy mouth around my kid.
Kid: Is that OK, mummy?
Mum: Sure. Go ahead and feed the monkey. What a kind, considerate kid.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The City of Regina recently installed these bike rack things on the front of all of their
busses (at $2000.00 a pop) and I haven't seen one used yet. Perhaps in a year or so
once they perform a cost/benefit analysis and discover how little they've been used,
the City of Regina can sell them off to Greyhound.

A prisoner in transit can be tied to the bicycle rack on the front of the bus, and away
from the non-stabbing customers for everyone's safety. If the prisoner gets hungry
between the months of May and September, all he/she has to do is face forward and
open their mouth, and they'll get all the bugs they want to eat. Their language (at 60MPH)
while tied to the front of the bus would be much less offensive to those inside the bus.

I'm assuming that this would be much more cost effective than armed escorts. Once
the door has been opened with the last murder on a Greyhound bus a couple of months
ago, we're going to get copycat criminals, but I guess it's nothing to lose your head about.
I'm told by a young American friend of mine that the caliber of the riders on the Greyhounds
in Canada makes her feel much safer than the riders in the USA if that makes anyone here
feel any better.

 

[Unforgiven]

Escorts are expensive.

Plus riding the bus sucks! Actually that could serve as punishment for some of the lesser crimes. Say an express from Ontario to Edmonton. And for extra measure, make all the other passengers pay for the criminal to ride the bus so there is a lot of animosity in the air.

I'm Harpo and I approve of this ad!

 

[Praxius]

Funny thing is that the very best Japanese Katana are five body swords. Yes you guessed it, they can, in the hands of a devout master go through five bodies in a single blow. The odd things is that any blade that will do that sort of thing, and it's not an easy sort of thing to do, is priceless and most likely in a museum in Japan. Now ain't that something!

Well many weapons used in our miiltary history are also in museums and illegal for personal use.... and it's not legal to roam around downtown with a katana sword, or any other swords last I checked (I could be wrong) And there are restrictions on the types and size of knives one is permitted to own or use.... similar to firearms.

But to each their own.

 

[Praxius]

Did I hear jack Layton say we should ban knives????

I don't know... did you?

Source?

 

[Praxius]

Escorts are expensive. I say string the guy like a hog and then throw him on the bus. It could serve as moral education for children, and make the ride more fun and interesting for them:

Kid: Mummy, the man says he's hungry, but he can't move. What can we do?
Man: There's a banana in my bag, kid. could you please take it out, peel it open, and put it to my mouth so I can f*****g eat it. Damn those strings are tied tight.
Mum: Whatch your filthy mouth around my kid.
Kid: Is that OK, mummy?
Mum: Sure. Go ahead and feed the monkey. What a kind, considerate kid.

Funny when you mentioned educational, I thought of the old programs where kids are thrown in jail and have prisoners yell at them to scare them straight..... could work the same way.

 

[Praxius]

The City of Regina recently installed these bike rack things on the front of all of their
busses (at $2000.00 a pop) and I haven't seen one used yet. Perhaps in a year or so
once they perform a cost/benefit analysis and discover how little they've been used,
the City of Regina can sell them off to Greyhound.

They've been used here for a few years now in Halifax.... they do get used. Certainly not when they first came out, because most seemed to not know what they were.

A prisoner in transit can be tied to the bicycle rack on the front of the bus, and away from the non-stabbing customers for everyone's safety. If the prisoner gets hungry
between the months of May and September, all he/she has to do is face forward and
open their mouth, and they'll get all the bugs they want to eat. Their language (at 60MPH)
while tied to the front of the bus would be much less offensive to those inside the bus.

I'm assuming that this would be much more cost effective than armed escorts. Once
the door has been opened with the last murder on a Greyhound bus a couple of months
ago, we're going to get copycat criminals, but I guess it's nothing to lose your head about.
I'm told by a young American friend of mine that the caliber of the riders on the Greyhounds in Canada makes her feel much safer than the riders in the USA if that makes anyone here feel any better.

The first thing I thought about when starting to read the above was the bug ratio, lol..... but what do you do in the winter time, when snow's blasting them, traveling at 110kmh on the highway?

What if they sneeze or start to struggle and get loose, roll under the bus and leave a skid mark? They maybe a criminal, but depending on the situation, I don't think execution by bus is a good idea.

 

[Praxius]

Plus riding the bus sucks! Actually that could serve as punishment for some of the lesser crimes. Say an express from Ontario to Edmonton. And for extra measure, make all the other passengers pay for the criminal to ride the bus so there is a lot of animosity in the air.

I'm Harpo and I approve of this ad!

Better yet... strap them into a boat and make them travel through all the small rivers and streams to their destination.... that'd take forever and give them time to reflect

 

[Risus]

I don't know... did you?

Source?

It was a joke!

 

[Ron in Regina]

They've been used here for a few years now in Halifax.... they do get used. Certainly not when they first came out, because most seemed to not know what they were.



The first thing I thought about when starting to read the above was the bug ratio, lol..... but what do you do in the winter time, when snow's blasting them, traveling at 110kmh on the highway?

What if they sneeze or start to struggle and get loose, roll under the bus and leave a skid mark? They maybe a criminal, but depending on the situation, I don't think execution by bus is a good idea.

From the months of October to April, a prisoner wouldn't have to worry about bugs, just
that he's dressed warm enough to make it from point A to point B. As far as a prisoner
struggling and getting loose and getting dragged under the bus, that isn't an exacution.
That's an accident. The prisoner can only hope that a former Boy Scout ties the knots.
I'm leaning more and more away from this idea and towards the "Voting Knife" on a
different thread: http://forums.canadiancontent.net/cbc-news/77364-there-enough-security-measures-bus.html

With Canada's aversion to handguns, arming the citizenry for their own protection
becomes problematic. This might be a "two birds with one stone" type of solution
that might make a criminal think twice about stabbing the non-criminal public, and
increase voter turn-out at the same time.

Every citizen that shows up and votes in the next Federal election is issued a belt
knife (from a Canadian manufacturer). Even if 30 million voters show up, it might
still be one of the smaller boondoggles in any Federal budget, and might make the
average criminal think that the average victim might not be as defenseless as they
once where. If you're responsible enough to get off your butt to perform your
civic duty and vote, you must be responsible enough to carry a non-concealed
belt knife that anyone can legally own anyway.

"That's not a voting knife, THIS is a Voting Knife!!!!" Hell....it's a win-win situation.
Canadians can wear them with pride (creating unity), and this might lead to people
having cleaner fingernails, and ease the opening of envelops, and removing staples,
and so on an so forth....We could be like the Swiss, but with knives.