Annexation of Canada

darkbeaver

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Re: RE: Annexation of Canada

Mogz said:
It's impossible for any nation on this planet to take and control Canada. Too much land mass.

Well Mogz it's not the landmass that's being taken it's everything else
the resources, money and the laws and regulations, taking control from within, and you are working side by side with the pricks happily helping them load your own stuff on thier moving van. When you retire in twenty years what are you going to live on, your pension will be miniscule if you have one, there won't be any medicare or retirement homes for old soldiers, and you still have to duck bullets for all that time because this will be a long perpetual war, I hope you're are as lucky as you think you are. :lol:
 

Mogz

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You know, half that didn't even make sense. Anywho, my pension will be fine, especially when partnered with my RRSPs and stocks invested for me via DND. Nope, I had a financial projection done in February and even if I maintain my current rank (which won't happen) i'd still be able to live comfortably. Over the next decade and a bit i'll rise at least another 3 ranks (with minimal effort on my part) and my pension will get bigger. Nope, i'm set. Also, being retired, and in Canada, why would I have to duck bullets? Are you implying the War will eventually reach Canada? Haven't you been championing the "fact" that the War in Afghanistan is of no concern to Canada?
 

Mogz

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If half of what I said didn't make sence to you quess who's dreaming? It ain't me.

Mogz: Perhaps i'm just not fluent in douche-bag?
Board Mod: Objection!
Board Admin: Sustained, i'm warning you Mogz
Mogz: Withdrawn your honour.

:D

That said, fighting the U.S., wow, that's even a stretch for you. Considering they're our most important trading partner and best ally, I find the idea highly unlikely. It's like saying eventually China will attack North Korea. Intellectually bankrupt dude.
 

jimmoyer

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darkbeaver, you're getting so dark these days, I hope
it isn't filtering into your personal life.

This crap we argue about has so little to do with
who we are and what we can do in our lives.

I wouldn't dream of telling my parents that my layoff
was because of global competition sending my
job and the division I was in to overseas to India
and living a life of blaming others.

Rather they want to hear something I'm doing about it.
They don't want to hear blame, nor excuses.

They want to hear what I can do no matter what
life throws at me.

We should develop a culture of understanding,
not a culture of entitlement, not a culture of blaming
others for our discontent.

No matter what system we devise, nothing will stop
what curve balls life will throw at you.
 

sanch

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Re: RE: Annexation of Canada

darkbeaver said:
Well first you need a little solar home that's not dependant on fossil fuels, and you have to put enough food away for the season and you have to have a little firewood and a great big gun to keep all your starving freezing suburban nieghbours in line. Fornicate the telly, start reading and writing again, what's the point in sitting on your ass watching the same phucking hockey game over and over. Thier are a lot of forgotten skills that are going to become very popular very soon. Get your cash out of the market before it's worthless and put it in basic necessary hardware , learn how to build and how to generate power. Alternative energy and alternative lifestyles or you can starve and freeze to death in a highrise waiting for the goodtimes. :lol:

Well I would agree with all these points—except the gun-- but the route to self sufficiency might be to go where it is already prevalent and practiced. Pulling it off in Canada in the midst of chaos would be an ordeal. I would say 90% of Canadian life has already been thoroughly Americanized. The economy, the education system, security and the like. What is left is an oppositional culture lamenting the national loss and a health care system that is fading. With Nelnet and Lockheed Martin showing that a quick way to increase market share and bump the stock price is to buy Canadian there will be more of these penetrations. And it will get ugly if the first thing to go is the pensions. In the US there is great respect for democracy and other rights but these rights have never been extended to other countries. Canada will be no different.

It might be better in Southern Europe.
 

sanch

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My idea for a defense to limit annexation.

Pass a very rigid accountability act to oversee how government is run and how contracts are decided. By making government more functional more resources would be available for the preservation of the health care system and educational spending. A transparent system would allow Canadians to see exactly where the connections between the US and Canada are and how to ensure these are in Canada’s interest.

Drop the oppositional culture and divert this energy to real cultural production so that the contrast between the US and Canada is very clear.

Drop English and make Chinese and French the two national languages.
 

darkbeaver

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sanch said:
My idea for a defense to limit annexation.

Pass a very rigid accountability act to oversee how government is run and how contracts are decided. By making government more functional more resources would be available for the preservation of the health care system and educational spending. A transparent system would allow Canadians to see exactly where the connections between the US and Canada are and how to ensure these are in Canada’s interest.

Drop the oppositional culture and divert this energy to real cultural production so that the contrast between the US and Canada is very clear.

Drop English and make Chinese and French the two national languages.

Sanch that's exactly what we've tried to do lo these many years but we've been betrayed by our capitalist pigs. Chinese and french is a good idea but impracticle,not enough time. You have a look at your history books and see what happens to the nieghbouring countries of collapsing Empires, where phucked. While I would like to work at instituting your suggestions we have a new government who's determined to go swiftly in the other direction, and the liberals waiting in the wings to complete the deal if the Harpercons
drop the torch, that's the real choice here, neo-liberal or neo-conservative. If ever the NDP would mount a real threat Uncle Sam would intervene overtly, Uncle Sam has already covertly helped Harper into power. In the end though we just have to much water and oil and minerals that are vital to American continuation and we can't be allowed to say no. :lol:
 

sanch

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darkbeaver said:
Chinese and french is a good idea but impracticle,not enough time. You have a look at your history books and see what happens to the nieghbouring countries of collapsing Empires, where phucked. While I would like to work at instituting your suggestions we have a new government who's determined to go swiftly in the other direction, and the liberals waiting in the wings to complete the deal if the Harpercons
drop the torch, that's the real choice here, neo-liberal or neo-conservative. If ever the NDP would mount a real threat Uncle Sam would intervene overtly, Uncle Sam has already covertly helped Harper into power. In the end though we just have to much water and oil and minerals that are vital to American continuation and we can't be allowed to say no. :lol:

1)The shift to Chinese/French would have an immediate shock value internationally. Acquisition could come later. A statement to this effect would set Canada's priorities.

2) I don't think America is going to dissolve as the Soviet Union did. But its era of dominance in NAFTA has to end. I am referring only to Canada and Mexico here. If we look at what happened in Mexico Canada is indeed phucked. If we look at Estonia after the Soviet collapse we have options.

3) I agree with the government going in the other direction. Someone obviously had a talk with Harper about what accountability would reveal and he decided it was in his best interest to stay with a corrupt government that has bent over backward to get phucked in as many positons as possible by foreign concerns. I think Canada should enage internationally even with the US but to always get the bottom end of the deal smells like payoffs.

4) Do you really think it is too late?
 

I think not

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Re: RE: Annexation of Canada

Blackleaf said:
Mogz said:
It's impossible for any nation on this planet to take and control Canada. Too much land mass.

It's strange you should say that, as Britain has already controlled the vast majority of Canada - even all those empty islands in the north.

You'll have to forgive Blackleaf, Mogz. He thinks 10000 British soldiers actually controlled all of British North America back then. The only reason they were "protecting" it, is because nobody could find it.
 

Mogz

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It's strange you should say that, as Britain has already controlled the vast majority of Canada - even all those empty islands in the north.

Actually the Canada you controlled was a colony the size of 4 present day Provinces. You didn't control any land past present day Ontario. Furthermore your "control" over Canada was anything but. Yes you were seen as the rulers of the colony, however numerous First Nations tribes had full run of their land, despite Colonial Law prohibiting it. Also you had next to little control of the borders of said colony, as can be highlighted by the Fenian Raids, in which the Irish Republican Army (the true IRA of the 1800's) captured Fort Erie. In fact, if you back track throughout the history of Canada from Colony to Dominion, a huge part of the defence of said region was played the local militia, Canadians. An excellent example of this is the Battle of Chrysler's Farm, in which 7,000 men of the U.S. Army were soundly defeated by 800 Canadian Colonial Militia and Native Scouts with support from a handful of British Skirmishers and a British Artillery Battery. As I stated above, yes Britain ruled Canada, but your control over it was flimsy at best.

With all that said, given the differences in the World today as opposed to the 18th and 19th centuries, one cannot deem that Britains rule of Canada could be repeated today. First and foremost there is the fact that present day Canada is MUCH large than the small parcel of land known as Upper and Lower Canada was. Secondly there are thousands upon thousands of population centres in Canada today, there were but a few dozen during the colonial period. These centres would require troop garrisons to control. How many troops do you think it would take to subjugate the major Canadian centres; Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa, Edmonton, Calgary, etc? Putting a rifle company of redcoats in to the town of Hull in the 1800's cannot be likend to having to place the 2nd U.K. Armoured Division in to Toronto in 2006. While I know this is all guess work, and completely far fetched, i'm merely making it a point that no nation, not even China, could waltz in to Canada and control the nation in every sense of the word. It is too large, and too far flung for that to ever happen. As for my references to the past, that was an educational lesson on the short comings of the British Colonial Defence of Canada until the formation of the Dominion. It was flawed and more often than not inadequate for the job. My 43 cents.
 

darkbeaver

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Re: RE: Annexation of Canada

jimmoyer said:
Dream Soylent Green tonight, Darkbeaver.

Mix in green ketchup with a capitalist pig, add
some garlic (just to keep the vampires away), put
in a grinder, keep adding spices of your choice.

Interesting recipe Jim but where you going to buy the spices and condiments? I'll add a hand driven meat grinder to my shopping list though, almost forgot, some of that wild meat is tough and when my teeth are gone I'll need that grinder to do my chewing. :lol:
 

EagleSmack

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Blackleaf still believes that the sun never sets on the British Empire.

Britain couldn't even control six counties in Northern Ireland. Six counties!

How could they possibly control Canada!
 

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War has unfortunately become a necessity to support our stupid goal of economic growth.

You see, to have economic growth, you need population growth and consumption growth.

The earth has finite resources, so you must kill off a lot of people if you want to keep playing the game of economic growth.

The better option, which we haven't tried yet, would be a steady-state economy not built on growth.

Yes, this means no interest on your money at the bank, and that money has to be backed by something real. It cannot simply be issued by the global elite out of thin air.