Annexation of Canada to the United States of America.

[Bar Sinister]

we are baffled at your lack of national pride, and your constant kowtowing to anyone who cries foul and points in your direction.

Be baffled no longer. A recent study showed that there is very little difference between the levels of patriotism in the USA and Canada.

Are Americans More Patriotic than Citizens of Other Countries? » Sociological Images

Don't confuse a willingness to criticize our own country with a lack of patriotism Canadians are proud to be Canadians; we're just less chauvinistic about it. The love it or leave it mentality does not belong here.

history books have convinced people that the american civil war was basically about rich white plantation owners throwing a hissy fit over the abolition movement. however, that's completely not the case. the short form is that the south realized they didn't really need the north. they were tired of financing a government that served their interests less and less. the south had most of the land and raw materials, so their agrarian based economy was capable of operating without assistance from the north. the north was just beginning the industrial revolution.

That is an interesting theory, but very few Civil War historians would accept it. The fact is - no slavery; no secession; and no civil war.

I know that there were other causes of the civil war, but You will have a very hard time finding any list of causes that does not have slavery and the abolitionist movement as a major cause.

 

[s_lone]

It's misguided protectionism. Based on frustration and insecurity, IMHO.

I think you're wrong in your view that the protectionism is misguided. It's clear there's been overzealous abuse in the application of the law, but I still believe it was a smart move by the francophone majority in Quebec. The language laws have contributed to protect French in Quebec and that is exactly why they were created. Montreal would be quite different today had no language laws ever been created. I am positive that it would be overwhelmingly English for the simple reason that a strong majority of immigrants would have chosen to send their children to English school instead of French. At least now there is some sort of coherence between Quebec's only metropolis and the rest of the largely francophone province.

This question of union between Canada and the US is always interesting because it destroys one of the most used arguments against separatists. Those who insist that Quebecers ought to forget about their differences and focus on what unites us are usually the first to recoil in horror at the thought of being part of one huge united country with the US. They'll say there are too many important differences between Canadians and US Americans to justify such a union. That is exactly what most separatists think, that we are too different (Québecois and Canadians) to justify being part of the same country.

But then this goes both ways! Quebec separatists are usually at a loss to say why a native population couldn't choose to separate from an independent Quebec.

 

[The Old Medic]

The USA is not going to try to force Canada to join it. And, they would require a favorable vote of the people of Canada, to even consider uniting the two countries.

If this ever happened, it would be under the US Constitution. Representation would be exactly the same as it is for the various States (that is required under the Constitution). Most likely, each Province would simply become a State, with representation in Congress according to it's population (and each having 2 Senators, elected by the people and NOT appointed).

But, it is extremely unlikely that this will happen, UNLESS Quebec successfully leaves Canada. If that were to happen, then it is HIGHLY likely that Province by Province, each would eventually petition to become a part of the USA.

The Maritime Provinces would likely be the first to ask to join the US. After all, they would be cut off from the rest of Canada, and that makes for a very difficult situation.

Then, the Prairie Provinces would join, leaving Ontario and BC. I suspect that Ontario would be the last of the "English" Provinces to come over.

Quebec would likely remain its own independent country, with a markedly dropping standard of living as time goes by.

But all of this is very, very unlikely. I wouldn't be too worried about it.

 

[MapleDog]

I don't think quebec would be allowed to be alone for long,the St Lawrance is vital for shipping stuff to cities on the great lakes coasts.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

I think you're wrong in your view that the protectionism is misguided. It's clear there's been overzealous abuse in the application of the law, but I still believe it was a smart move by the francophone majority in Quebec. The language laws have contributed to protect French in Quebec and that is exactly why they were created. Montreal would be quite different today had no language laws ever been created. I am positive that it would be overwhelmingly English for the simple reason that a strong majority of immigrants would have chosen to send their children to English school instead of French. At least now there is some sort of coherence between Quebec's only metropolis and the rest of the largely francophone province.

This question of union between Canada and the US is always interesting because it destroys one of the most used arguments against separatists. Those who insist that Quebecers ought to forget about their differences and focus on what unites us are usually the first to recoil in horror at the thought of being part of one huge united country with the US. They'll say there are too many important differences between Canadians and US Americans to justify such a union. That is exactly what most separatists think, that we are too different (Québecois and Canadians) to justify being part of the same country.

But then this goes both ways! Quebec separatists are usually at a loss to say why a native population couldn't choose to separate from an independent Quebec.

You overlook that the Francophone 'majority' was not in the past, such a overwhelming majority. Until 1914 the majority in Montreal was Anglophone and Anglophones, not Francophones built Montreal. It is now less than twenty percent. A few years before that, Quebec City was one third Anglophone: ot is now less than 1%.

Until the mid 1970s, the population of Quebec was almost 20% Anglophone. It is now around 10%. The language laws were so "successful" that in less than a decade, more than 600,000 Anglophones left Quebc as well as 150,000 Francophones who were ashamed of the xenophobia in their brethren.

The language laws lead to a massive shift of Head Offices from Montreal to Toronto and Calgary. I forget exact numbers but, in 1973, the ratio vis a vis Toronto was something like 120 to 70 in favour of Montreal. The shift was so dramatic and precipitate that within six years that ratio was about reversed.

An historical French Quebec is a muth. French settlement was mostly confined to the shores of the St. Lawrence - part of it - and the Saguenay. Most of Quebec, from the Gaspe to the far North was first explored by English explorers and much of it first settled by the English.

The language laws are illegal and immoral and they have not served to protect French: they have confined it.

 

[lone wolf]

You overlook that the Francophone 'majority' was not in the past, such a overwhelming majority. Until 1914 the majority in Montreal was Anglophone and Anglophones, not Francophones built Montreal. It is now less than twenty percent. A few years before that, Quebec City was one third Anglophone: ot is now less than 1%.

Until the mid 1970s, the population of Quebec was almost 20% Anglophone. It is now around 10%. The language laws were so "successful" that in less than a decade, more than 600,000 Anglophones left Quebc as well as 150,000 Francophones who were ashamed of the xenophobia in their brethren.

The language laws lead to a massive shift of Head Offices from Montreal to Toronto and Calgary. I forget exact numbers but, in 1973, the ratio vis a vis Toronto was something like 120 to 70 in favour of Montreal. The shift was so dramatic and precipitate that within six years that ratio was about reversed.

An historical French Quebec is a muth. French settlement was mostly confined to the shores of the St. Lawrence - part of it - and the Saguenay. Most of Quebec, from the Gaspe to the far North was first explored by English explorers and much of it first settled by the English.

The language laws are illegal and immoral and they have not served to protect French: they have confined it.

Give your head a shake! Franco-Ontario flags fly proudly in every community in the North. It's idiotic commentary like yours that helps fan the flames.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

So what is your argument, lone wolf? I simply gave you facts. The data on Head Offices was from a study done by Reed Scowen in 1979. The rest is easily discovered if you want to check it.

 

[lone wolf]

So what is your argument, lone wolf? I simply gave you facts. The data on Head Offices was from a study done by Reed Scowen in 1979. The rest is easily discovered if you want to check it.

An historical French Quebec is a muth. French settlement was mostly confined to the shores of the St. Lawrence - part of it - and the Saguenay. Most of Quebec, from the Gaspe to the far North was first explored by English explorers and much of it first settled by the English.

No argument necessary. You're just wrong.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Show me where it is wrong. I have written articles about that in the past and they have never been refuted. Not even by Pequistes.

 

[lone wolf]

HBC had to settle for Hudson Bay because Spain, Holland and France had already established themselves in NA. Why show you anything? Just open a bloody History book....

When part of your testimony is a fib, the rest is suspect. Don't you watch Court TV?

 

[EagleSmack]

then by all means, pick it all apart, show everyone where i'm wrong. can you do it, or have i only offended your liberal sensibilities? anyone can say this or that thing is wrong. let's see you back it up.
you see, i can post sources to prop up everything i said. like it or not, it's historical fact. just because liberals write the history books people read in the 4th grade, doesn't mean they are accurate.

Calling me liberal was more offensive than anything because I am very much right of center.

I'll start with an easy one... Ellis Island was not even opened until 1892 and the US Civil War was when? Why it was 1861-1865 so it was.

The notion that the Civil War was not about slavery stems from the Lost Cause... post Civil War Southern revisionist trying to convince the country (and themselves) that the Rebellion wasn't about slavery. It was indeed about slavery and stopping the spread of slavery west. One need only read actual documents, primary sources to see that slavery was a HUGE reason. Lincoln campaigned on a platform to prevent the expansion of slavery. When he won... then the southern dominoes (secession) began to fall. In addition Southerners claimed that owners of slaves had the right to take their slaves anywhere they wished and have them remain slaves... including out West... the Federal Govt. disagreed. Citizens of Southern states claimed that as part of their "States Rights".

I've read hundreds of books on the Civil War and its causes. I've been to just about every Civil War battlefield in the Mid-Atlantic. Sure today it is popular to say it was about States Rights but that stemmed from the rights to own slaves.

I am sure you can post links to opinions of students to the Lost Cause... those that hold those views but the causes of the US Civil War simply don't support them.

Do you like apples?

HOW DO YOU LIKE DEM APPLES!

 

[Kakato]

Canadian world domination
1. Launch Canadian space station "Bombardier1" into orbit.
2. Use space station to electronically destroy the entire world's communication systems, with the exception of the CBC, CTV, Newsworld, YTV, CanWest Global, CityTV, MuchMusic, TVO, BBC Four, and Fox on Sundays at nine o'clock.

3. Broadcast own political agenda and propaganda on new worldwide station -- Can-O-Vision.

4. Broadcast "Heritage Moments" and "Hinterland" spots every 15 minutes.

5. Invite Peter Mansbridge to execute the turncoat traitor Peter Jennings. Show execution on live tv.

6. Kill the VJs and crew of MTV and feed their corpses to the VJs and crew of MuchMusic.

7. At the end of every broadcast day, force viewers to watch a montage of patriotic video images, as selected by the Generals and including several tyrannical subliminal messages of sublimation to Canadian World Domination. Failure to watch will result in electric shockage from the Ever-Vigilant & Omnipotent (EVO) space station "Bombardier1".

Deployment of troops.


1. Take highly-trained special forces "peacekeeping" troops and give them special weapons formulated in specially secret underground Canadian military laboratories.

2. Station troops at secret Canadian military bases along the 49th parallel. Put the troops of the bases in Windsor (Fort Auto), Medicine Hat (Fort McClung) and Squamish (Fort Fortress) on alert.

3. Send soldiers to make highly-militarized igloos along the Yukon-Alaskan border.

4. Instruct all soldiers to sing morale-defeating Stompin' Tom songs loud enough to be heard over the US-Canada border.

5. Activate secret underwater military bases off the coast of California (Base Bluenose), Continental Europe (Base I's-the-by) and Indonesia (Base Ogopogo).

6. Take troops at secret Arctic Circle base off "scientific mission" status and put on "prepare to invade" status.

7. Fax the Prime Minister and remind him/her to sever diplomatic ties with the world.

8. Parachute Canadian soldiers into specially selected target areas in Belgium, Ohio, Laos, and Rio. Tell inhabitants of the invaded regions that the soldiers are there to conduct a "Special Canadian Beer Survey".

9. Distribute free beer to those who question our increasing mobilization.

10. Gas up R.C.A.F. planes, and get our nuclear submarines warmed up.

11. Wait for further instructions from Generals Claire and Jenny.

The invasion.


1. Instruct all troops to stock up on field rations of Shreddies (only the good, good, whole wheat ones).

2. Open armouries at all bases and distribute weapons to soldiers.

3. Provide the Canadian civilian population with weaponry and encourage them to "point the small bit at anyone without a maple leaf badge". NOTE: Some followers have suggested that the use of guns is un-Canadian. We believe the evil is justified in this case. Read more about our weapons policy in The Gun Thing .

4. Canuck troops infiltrate the US-Canada border.

5. After meeting feeble resistance from the already-weakened-by our-clever-campaign-Americans, Canadian troops seize control of all US cities.

6. South America falls to the power-hungry Canadian advance.

7. Submarines and cool Bluenose-like ships (nuclear powered both!) are employed in the conquest of Europe.

8. Conquest of Europe scheduled to last: Max. 3 days -- Min. 2 hours.

9. Peace is made with European powers...Canada sets up puppet governments in the once-independent countries.

10. Canada renames Russia "Claire and Jenny Territory". Early polls show that Russians prefer the new name.

11. Canadian troops seize Asian capitols. Hong Kong movie directors get the entire thing on film. Chow Yun Fat defects to Canada and becomes our Minister of Propaganda in the Pacific Rim.

12. The Pope capitulates to Canadian demands and agrees to force Roman Catholic clergy to make loyalty oaths towards Canada.

13. Pope-mobile seized and re-tooled for use by Generals Claire and Jenny.

14. Australia and Canada reach a win-win agreement. Canada will completely rule Australia, but due to friendly relations from our Commonwealth days, will take pity on the Aussies and kill Paul Hogan.

15. Canadian troops encircle the globe.

16. Peacekeepers are kept busy putting down minor rebellions.

17. All minor rebellions cease when it is realized that Canadianism is the Right and True Path.

18. Irish rock band U2 is allowed to record a single in honour of the Canadian conquest: "Sunday Happy Sunday (in the name of Claire and Jenny) Remix Version 12".

19. Record charts (controlled by the Office Of The Generals) show single at no. 1.

20. Committee formed to design a new world flag.

21. Committee decides the Canadian flag (in its Glorious Perfection) is good enough for the entire world.

Next: Part 4!

The re-organization of society is a delicate and vital task. We must be certain to ensure that the New World of Canuck Splendor can be passed on to future Canadian generations. We must also be certain to ensure that all traces of anti-Canadian sentiment are cleansed from the collective Canuck bloodstream.



1. All non-Canadians will be rounded up and brainwashed via the clever use of the following: Well-reasoned and orderly bilingual arguments in favour of Canada, Tragically Hip CDs, Wendy Mesley, and finally, generous injections of Tim Hortons coffee ... Should these tactics fail, the un-affected subject will be politely convinced into either committing suicide, or working for CAN-CO in the government-owned asbestos factories of Quebec.

2. For those countries with larger populations, the use of video screens is recommended, on which Sloan videos, "Goin' Down The Road", "Road To Avonlea: The Final Season", "Hard Core Logo" and the NFB's "The Cat Came Back" can be played to the gathered masses.

3. World Society will be then grouped into two main bodies. The people judged to be Canadian-friendly (whether from our cagey brainwashing or from pure fear of Canuck force), and The Others.

4. The Others who are detained by the government will be given the choice of the two options listed in point one above. The Others who remain roaming about, trying to start trouble or their own tiny terrorist organizations, will be tolerated for a short time. They will be used to make propaganda films for the Canadian government which will film the capture and heroic arrests of the non-Canuck fugitives by the RCMP. Smile for the camera kids!

 

[EagleSmack]

That is an interesting theory, but very few Civil War historians would accept it. The fact is - no slavery; no secession; and no civil war.

I know that there were other causes of the civil war, but You will have a very hard time finding any list of causes that does not have slavery and the abolitionist movement as a major cause.

It is a theory, if you can call it that, that is prevalent among people who are sympathetic to the Southern Confederacy. Now mind you, they aren't necessarily pro-slavery or racists. They just see the glory in what is called "The Lost Cause". They simply say it was about States Rights and not slavery.

I have a somewhat funny story. A buddy of mine from the Marines is an African-American police officer in Virginia. He walked into a conference room where some guys were talking about the Civil War. One cop says to him...

"You know, the Civil War was about States Rights."

My buddy said ...

"Yeah... the right to own F*ing slaves."

I LMAO when he told me that.

*snicker* you called Eaglesmack a liberal? *snicker snicker snicker* he's gotta be loving that...

.

I did find humor in it. Me a liberal? Moi?

 

[willqccan]

(taken from Fallout 3)

That's a good question. I would fight if there's a good movement against it. Not that don't like U.S.A. but why should I let my country vanish? You can be nice to your neighbour and not let him move to your place.

 

[EagleSmack]

when slavery was abolished there were huge riots in the north, especially in new york city. hundreds of blacks were beaten to death over it.

Not true. You must be talking about the Draft Riots of 1863. Many of the attacks were directed against Black people but initially the main targets were military and government buildings. Yet The Emancipation Proclamation was announced in 1862. Why would there be riots in July of 1863 when the Emancipation Proclamation came into effect in January of 1863... six months before the riots? Some say it may have contributed by the time lines don't seem to match and they were called Draft Riots were they not? The attacks on blacks at the time was not because of the Emancipation Proclamation but an opportunity to rid NYC of blacks.

You should hit the books son.

That's a good question. I would fight if there's a good movement against it. Not that don't like U.S.A. but why should I let my country vanish? You can be nice to your neighbour and not let him move to your place.

I think you're pretty safe.

 

[willqccan]

6. Kill the VJs and crew of MTV and feed their corpses to the VJs and crew of MuchMusic.

Have the body parts sent by you-know-who >.<

 

[Machjo]

(taken from Fallout 3)

That's a good question. I would fight if there's a good movement against it. Not that don't like U.S.A. but why should I let my country vanish? You can be nice to your neighbour and not let him move to your place.

Question: Let's say unificaiton becomes an election campaign in both countries and the unificationists win a majority in both countries? Would you respect the will of the people?

 

[willqccan]

Question: Let's say unificaiton becomes an election campaign in both countries and the unificationists win a majority in both countries? Would you respect the will of the people?

I guess I would. What is your country if not you, the people around you and their choices?

 

[lone wolf]

Question: Let's say unificaiton becomes an election campaign in both countries and the unificationists win a majority in both countries? Would you respect the will of the people?

If it's a referendum type vote with a clearly defined question and clearly defined choices - not rolled up and mixed into a ball of election promise recyclable shyte....

 

[CDNBear]

then by all means, pick it all apart, show everyone where i'm wrong. can you do it, or have i only offended your liberal sensibilities?

I think you're wrong in your view that the protectionism is misguided. It's clear there's been overzealous abuse in the application of the law, but I still believe it was a smart move by the francophone majority in Quebec. The language laws have contributed to protect French in Quebec and that is exactly why they were created. Montreal would be quite different today had no language laws ever been created. I am positive that it would be overwhelmingly English for the simple reason that a strong majority of immigrants would have chosen to send their children to English school instead of French. At least now there is some sort of coherence between Quebec's only metropolis and the rest of the largely francophone province.

This question of union between Canada and the US is always interesting because it destroys one of the most used arguments against separatists. Those who insist that Quebecers ought to forget about their differences and focus on what unites us are usually the first to recoil in horror at the thought of being part of one huge united country with the US. They'll say there are too many important differences between Canadians and US Americans to justify such a union. That is exactly what most separatists think, that we are too different (Québecois and Canadians) to justify being part of the same country.

But then this goes both ways! Quebec separatists are usually at a loss to say why a native population couldn't choose to separate from an independent Quebec.

Excellent post s_lone. As we have so many times, we'll have to agree to disagree, lol.

I see the language laws as draconian. The behavior of past and present politicians, leaves much to be desired. The Court system is biased and heavy handed, against ethnics.

Although I do agree with your latter paragraph, wholeheartedly. I fully support Quebecs bid for independence, for many of the reasons you state here, and for many of the reasons you have stated in the past.

You are without a doubt, the coolest separatist I have ever met!