Angry Chirac leaves summit as Frenchman speaks English.

[iamcanadian]

Re: RE: Angry Chirac leaves summit as Frenchman speaks Engli

One theory why English today has NO grammatical gender is because when the Anglo-Saxons and the Native Britons, the Celts (the modern day Scots and Welsh) wanted to trade with each other, the Anglo-Saxons simplified their language to make it easier for the Britons to understand.

This is plausible theory and it also explains why English is dominating other languages because it is designed to be flexible and easier to learn and understand. It is without the bullshit gramatical frivialities inherant in the clasical languages that tend to advance bullshit of formality rather than the substance.

French like many other rigid languages retards the minds of people learning it filling their heads with bullshit structures that clogs their ability to reason and apply logic.

Hence the French Culture lacks logic and reason and rip out their noses to spite their faces over the decline of their beloved language which they just as much as everyone else in the world should not give a crap about letting it die its unavoidable natural death.

 

[Machjo]

Re: RE: Angry Chirac leaves summit as Frenchman speaks Engli

One theory why English today has NO grammatical gender is because when the Anglo-Saxons and the Native Britons, the Celts (the modern day Scots and Welsh) wanted to trade with each other, the Anglo-Saxons simplified their language to make it easier for the Britons to understand.

This is plausible theory and it also explains why English is dominating other languages because it is designed to be flexible and easier to learn and understand. It is without the bullshit gramatical frivialities inherant in the clasical languages that tend to advance bullshot or form rather than substance.

French like many other rigid languages retards the minds of people learning it filling their heads with bullshit structures that clogs their ability to reason and apply logic.

Hence the French Culture lacks logic and reason and rip out their noses to spite their faces over the decline of their beloved language which they just as much as everyone else in the world should not give a crap about letting it die its unavoidable natural death.

Oh give me a break. French is illogical; English even more so!

If you believe English is logical, I suspect you must be a monolingual.

Just read the following article and see for yourself:

http://www.esperanto-sat.info/article351.html

And then come back and tell me English is logical.

I do translation and develop English-language curricula for a living. I'll tell you it's a bloody mess of a language.

 

[Machjo]

More examples of why English is tough to learn:

http://www.i18nguy.com/english-is-tough.html

 

[Machjo]

And just take a look at the illogicalities of English spelling:

http://web.anglia.ac.uk/stu_services/essex/learningsupport/OL-Spelling.htm

So how do you pronounce gh in English?

 

[I think not]

Opos kai na to kanoume, ta egglezika einai xilies fores kalitera apo to gaillika. So there.

 

[Machjo]

And if English is so difficult, please explain the rise of the following movements:

http://www2.kumagaku.ac.jp/teacher/~judy/gyoseki/35simpleengs.doc
ogden.basic-english.org/
www.easyenglish.info/

And you might also be interested in the following decree from the Ministry of Public Instruction of Italy on the subject.

 

[I think not]

Indigenous Languages in North America. I thought you might find this interesting.

 

[Curiosity]

LOL thanks everyone for a romping discussion!!!

And to Machjo for a facking good laugh at your Chinglish.....

Seriously - wars can be started for lack of communication and intelligent discussion. People in power often rely on translators and even they can misinterpet the intent of something which can create years of problems....

We have to standardize our communications - even if it is an I-Pod which takes in one language and broadcasts a selection needed in another language.....whew!!

Anyway - thanks for the read and for the laugh too - you guys post with such energy!

 

[Machjo]

Indigenous Languages in North America. I thought you might find this interesting.

Thanks, ITN. While the English and French elephants are busy fighting between one another on foreign ground in teh North America, they're squashing the indigenous languaes underfoot. If any language needs special protection, it's naither French nor englsih, but the indigenous ones. If we want to protect French and English, that's what England and France are for.

 

[Toro]

RE: Angry Chirac leaves s

Hey ITN.

I didn't see "Bronx-ian" on that list!

 

[Machjo]

quote="Wednesday's Child"LOL thanks everyone for a romping discussion!!!

And to Machjo for a facking good laugh at your Chinglish.....

I've had to modify my English for so many years to be understood, that yes, it is possible that my English might have been influenced without my having realized it. Please let me know whenver you come across it. :lol:

Seriously - wars can be started for lack of communication and intelligent discussion. People in power often rely on translators and even they can misinterpet the intent of something which can create years of problems....

I'd actually met a UN interpreter in Beijing in 2004 who'd interpreted for the UN general assembly. Some of what he'd said was interesting: the difference between an experienced interpreter and an unexperienced one (and remember, this is for the UN) is that the experienced one knows to move on if he can't interpet a line; the inexperienced one will dwell on it and lose the whole damn paragraph! But it really doesn't matter since all the ambassadors to the UN can speak English (the UN is in New York, after all, and the ambassadors' English language ability is always a factor in selection.

The UN has six official languages (French, English, Russian, Arabic, Spanish and Chinese). The only one who uses Chinese is the one from the PRC. He's fluent in English too. Yet when he must listen to another language, he'll always put the listening device in his ear. But here's the thing: He's probably listening to English whenever the speaker is speaking in English. Yet whenever he stands up to speak, even though he himself is fluent in English, and knows that he's one of the very few who'd even understand Chinese, he'll use Chinese anyway; for him to use English would spell political disaster for the Chinese language at the UN, and probably unleash a linguistic timebomb. It's well known among UN circles that the language issue at teh UN must be dealt with, but no one wants to touch it officially because they all know it's a ticking time bomb. So Chirac is in the norm as far as diplomatic circles are concerned.

We have to standardize our communications - even if it is an I-Pod which takes in one language and broadcasts a selection needed in another language.....whew!!

Why not just an auxlang? Computers will never be able to translate accurately; language is just too mathematically complex for a computer.

Anyway - thanks for the read and for the laugh too - you guys post with such energy!

Pleasure.

 

[iamcanadian]

Re: RE: Angry Chirac leaves summit as Frenchman speaks Engli

One theory why English today has NO grammatical gender is because when the Anglo-Saxons and the Native Britons, the Celts (the modern day Scots and Welsh) wanted to trade with each other, the Anglo-Saxons simplified their language to make it easier for the Britons to understand.

This is plausible theory and it also explains why English is dominating other languages because it is designed to be flexible and easier to learn and understand. It is without the bullshit gramatical frivialities inherant in the clasical languages that tend to advance bullshit of formality rather than the substance.

French like many other rigid languages retards the minds of people learning it filling their heads with bullshit structures that clogs their ability to reason and apply logic.

Hence the French Culture lacks logic and reason and rip out their noses to spite their faces over the decline of their beloved language which they just as much as everyone else in the world should not give a crap about letting it die its unavoidable natural death.

 

[Machjo]

I know at least one language which is from five to twenty times easier than English, yet just as complex. If you want me to prove it, just let me know, andwe can start a comparative grammar discussion in another thread.

 

[Machjo]

IHey I noticed some white areas on that map. Perhaps we can limit the European squabbles to those areas while "reindigenizing" the rest of the map. Sounds like a plan?

 

[Curiosity]

Musing on the language of France

I remember a few years back when they insisted all computer "new words" be revamped into French - when of course they were all being born in English.

I wonder if the French change all the new lingo coming from all countries - adapted to the new scientific inventions and breakthroughs which have been accomplished....if there is a specific French word for all of them, or if the French have bowed down to the word as it was originally given out.

How do the French describe AIDS or HIV or Killer African Bees or the latest Equine and Bovine maladies.... is that why achronyms are used to often now? International acronyms???

Is "stem cell" a French expression for example or is there a mangled befuddled new word translated to satisfy the French isolationism?

I have to laugh at the Kleenex boxes printed up in Canada, still in bi-lingual French/English....but the French seems to have morphed into unintelligible descriptions now of "tissue" and "soft" - almost unrecognizable words from their original ones when I lived in Canada.... even more odd is that Spanish is the second choice - even by the government in the U.S. - but we have our daily French lesson when we blow our noses :wink: and it is wasted on the actual bi-lingualism of the people in the U.S.

Seems silly when our world is absolutely shrinking before our eyes that we still continue to throw up roadblocks - within our everyday languages - to keep from being "tainted" by others..... who may just have a better idea too!

Maybe one day we will all be communicating through Babblefish - but you have to have a great sense of humor using that feature!

 

[cortez]

english is nightmare to learn
phonetically its completely chaotic
it always blows me away when native english speakers refer to english as logical ,simple easy to learn and hence is somehow intrisically superior to others

if you are non english speaker you simply cannot look at a text and know how a word is supposed to be pronounced-- unless youve heard it before-- in the same way that the chineese have to remember 1000s of symbols -- so do english speakers--- but phonetically-- native english speakers are generally unaware of this

i agree with some of the posters up there
scrap it as an international language

ENGLISH is also the international language of illegal warfare

i think learning english predisposes one to engage in and condone large scale -- organized violence

i also think learning english as a mother tongue actually impedes your ability to learn any other language -- just becuase of the shear neuronal expense required to hard wire such a
messed up code---

native english speakers ---tend not to learn other languages for at least 2 reasons
1-- they dont want to make the effort ie arrogance
2--- They simply CANT do it

 

[iamcanadian]

Re: RE: Angry Chirac leaves summit as Frenchman speaks Engli

i also think learning english as a mother tongue actually impedes your ability to learn any other language -- just becuase of the shear neuronal expense required to hard wire such a messed up code---native english speakers ---tend not to learn other languages for at least 2 reasons
1-- they dont want to make the effort ie arrogance
2--- They simply CANT do it

Awhy should any one NEED two languages. It is a complete waste of time and serves no purpose but to retard communication and thinking ability. Why would a parent want to harm their child by having them learn French when it is a redundant ability they can do without.

Let you kid take music or some other more worth while talent they can enjoy their whole lives. Extra languages will be only good for archaeology in 50 years.

The only think keeping French in Canada is the Civil Service to keep newer immigrants out of the higher public jobs by creating a bearier to entry called bilingualism.

 

[Finder]

Iamcanadian, I see nothing redundant in the french tongue and every time I see french bashing you are always there. It's like you have some hateful vendetta against the french. What happend to you when you were a child.

I'll let you know there's many good things about the french... like... French maids... French Fries, and french toast... so try to debate that! (((***sarcasim***)))

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Angry Chirac leaves summit as Frenchman speaks Engli

Awhy should any one NEED two languages. It is a complete waste of time and serves no purpose but to retard communication and thinking ability.

I can't agree with you here. Learning another language is emersing yourself (in a very large way) into a foreign culture. If politicians (at least in the US) made any effort to learn another language, they may had a better idea on how to deal with international situations. I can tell you now, that had anyone in the Kennedy adminstration knew how to speak Vietnamese, things may have been different. With language, comes culture and history. The Vietnamese were fighting off the Chinese for centuries, and other aggressors, they would have fought till everybody was dead.

I know I went a bit too far, but learning another language isn't a waste of time by no stretch of the imagination.

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Angry Chirac leaves summit as Frenchman speaks Engli

Awhy should any one NEED two languages. It is a complete waste of time and serves no purpose but to retard communication and thinking ability.

I can't agree with you here. Learning another language is emersing yourself (in a very large way) into a foreign culture. If politicians (at least in the US) made any effort to learn another language, they may had a better idea on how to deal with international situations. I can tell you now, that had anyone in the Kennedy adminstration knew how to speak Vietnamese, things may have been different. With language, comes culture and history. The Vietnamese were fighting off the Chinese for centuries, and other aggressors, they would have fought till everybody was dead.

I know I went a bit too far, but learning another language isn't a waste of time by no stretch of the imagination.

good point