Angry Chirac leaves summit as Frenchman speaks English.

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Guys, you're not doing anything to further your credibility on this issue with both of you ramming hate down each others fundamental orifice.

Try and at least state your case in a less annoying fashion, so all of us who read the thread can at least enjoy some healthy argument, not purile name-trashing and blind intolerance.
 

Machjo

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I'm working on a textbook right now, and so would like to share various interesting quotes I've discovered while doing my research for the book.

For international communication international understanding with the help of the international language is not only necessary, but self evident. Esperanto is the best solution for the idea of the international language.
艾伯特爱因斯坦 (Albert Einstein)


I am a soldier for Esperanto.
菲德尔。卡斯特罗 (Fidel Castro)(1990)

I am in favour of a worldwide calendar and a global currency just as I support a second language like Esperanto for all peoples.
圣雄甘地 (Mahatma Gandhi) (1931)

It is my belief that if Esperanto is adopted as a means to promote the idea of true internationalism and a true revolution then Esperanto may be learnt and in fact should be learnt.
毛泽东 (Mao Zedong)
(written to the Esperantists on the occasion of the Esperanto Exposition in Yan’an)
(1939年12月9号) (9 December, 1939)

Six years ago I received an Esperanto grammar, vocabulary, and articles written in the language. After not more than two hours' study I was able, if not to write the language, at any rate to read it freely.... I have often noted how men are brought into unfriendly relations merely through material hindrance to mutual comprehension. The learning and spreading of Esperanto is therefore undoubtedly a Christian movement, helping to create the Kingdom of God, which is the chief and only aim of human life.
Leo Tolstoy

We are not so naive as some think of us; we do not believe that a neutral base will turn men into angels, but we do know that evil people will always be evil; but we believe that communication and knowledge based upon a natural tool will prevent at least the great quantity of brutality and crimes which happen not because of ill will, but simply because of lack of knowledge and oppression.
L. L. Zamenhof (1906)
 

Machjo

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And here's what teh italian Ministry of Education had to say, 1993:

1.3. Conclusions
There are, then, good reasons to call attention to the international language: good reasons ignored up until
now, or even hidden by deliberate misinformation.
This state of things has provoked the great, and probably serious, delay in understanding the cultural,
social, and political opportunity of putting "into play" a non-ethnic and authentically international language
alongside the others in our schools.
The international language is at the base of a more appropriate conception of plurilingualism in the
European Union and allows the elaboration of a new, more realistic language policy. It in fact:
a) educates to the construction of peace, making concrete the conception of belonging to a single human
family and a "world environment," rather than one geo-nationally determined and circumscribed. In a moment
of resurgent nationalism, sometimes in aggravated forms, spreading a means of international comprehension
which finds in the equal dignity of peoples and their linguistic expression one of its strong points, aims at
overcoming narrow national viewpoints which remain tied to the concept of nation even when there is aperture
to other countries' languages;
b) contributes, in fact, to safeguard European and global linguistic and cultural diversity;
c) allows transnational cultural and commercial relations in a common language, without discrimination,
which can be fully acquired within the time spent in mandatory education;
d) facilitates, taught as Linguistic Orientation, the study and learning of national foreign languages;
e) avoids the predominance of one or two "major" languages in the teaching of possible foreign languages;
f) enriches metalinguistic reflection even in the native language;
g) allows notable savings of time and money, both in teacher training and in student work, with additional
advantages for other subjects such as learning ethnic foreign languages (A useful study would be one which
examined the necessary cost, in time and money, for teaching and learning an ethnic foreign language
compared to the international language).
2. Proposals
There are, then, two goals which the introduction of the International Language in Italian schools aims to
satisfy: Esperanto as an "end," that is, as an authentically international language of communication, and the
International Language as a "means," that is, as a language-teaching instrument.

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Beyond making such themes immediately known in the schools through a ministerial memo (with this
document enclosed), sent to the General Direction, Inspectors, Superintendents, Directors, Heads of
Institutes, to the IRRSAE, the CEDE, and the Library of Educational Documentation, that which seems
appropriate in light of the conclusions cited above is to add the International Language to the four languages
presently taught in the elementary schools.
2.1
Without legislative modifications or further expense, based on the law reforming the elementary school it is
possibly, immediately, to add, by ministerial decree, the International Language (Esperanto) to the foreign
languages currently taught at elementary schools, establishing appropriate forms of promotion and realisation
such as, for example:
- the realisation of an informational pamphlet and training material on the International Language, with the
collaboration of the associations and organisations listed above, directed at the components of Public
Instruction mentioned above;
- the creation of training courses in Esperanto for elementary school teachers, on the model of those
already created for foreign language teachers, with the assistance of the responsible associations and
organisations.
2.2
It is more than obvious that in the context of the multiplicity of scholastic levels and grades, innumerable
further information, study, experimentation, promotion, training, etc., initiatives are possible. For example, the
Ministry could:
A) launch linguistic experimentation and promote it in the context of the European Union during the next
semester of Italian Presidency of the Union:
- the Ministry of Public Instruction could distribute this report at the European level, starting with parallel
ministries.
- initiatives of parallel experimentation could be proposed, in Union countries, keeping the varying
scholastic structure in mind;
B) sponsor study and retraining seminars relative to 1st and 2nd level secondary schools
C) conduct, through the General Direction for Cultural Exchanges, and with the help of the responsible
Esperantist associations and organisations, liaison work for international exchanges;
D) acquire, through the General Direction for Elementary Instruction, information on the Paderborn Method,
and then organise two retraining and study seminars for, respectively, Inspectors and L2 teachers in
elementary schools, possibly organised in collaboration with the Institute of Pedagogic Cybernetics of the
University of Paderborn and the presence of Prof. H. Frank.
E) launch monitoring aimed at ascertaining how quickly and with what results elementary school teachers
can be provided with knowledge of the International Language and the capacity to teach it as a propedeutic
subject;

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F) in light of the noteworthy intercultural value of the International Language, promote its use within certain
ministerial projects such as, for example, the Youth Project and the Child Project 2000, or involve Esperantist
representatives in these projects.
It seems opportune, in closing, that the Ministry send its observers to the most important places and
occasions where the International Language is used or is object of discussion: Esperantist centers,
congresses, conferences and various presentations, national and international.
 

Machjo

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Also, if you want a religious perspective on the relationship between the Baha'i Faith and Esperanto, I'd recommend you read the book:

MAKING WORLD PEACE REAL
THE BAHA'I FAITH AND ESPERANTO

Well researched book. You can download it off the internet as well.
 

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French Demonstrations Turning into Riots, Pooping in the Streets



At least 100,000 protesters marched through French cities on Tuesday, demanding that the government not repeal a popular national entitlement that has divided the country’s buttocks. A nationwide strike supporting the protests halted air, train, rail traffic, and all shipments of toilet paper into the country.

Thousands are demonstrating in the streets, and police in riot gear appear composed but wary. They are outnumbered, and protestors are turning to throwing rocks, attacking civilians, setting fires, turning over vehicles, vandalizing property, and pooping in the streets.

For two months protesters have mounted ever larger, and at times feces-ridden demonstrations against the proposed repeal of a very popular national entitlement guaranteeing every civilian free butt wiping and powdering services by the French Government. President Jacques Chirac signed the repeal on Sunday, arguing that the country cannot continue wiping its civilians’ posteriors and remain competitive in the global economy.

Approximately 150 marches and poop-ins were planned in cities nationwide. The Socialist Pooper-Wipers Union hoped turnout would exceed that at a similar action last week that drew more than 1 million people. Unlike the violence seen in World Trade Organization protests, this one appears to be escalating out of control.

Crowds appear to be pressing their posteriors against police. One officer was struck in the head with a turd and a group encircled him, kicking the officer multiple times and subsequently pooping on him. In another instance, a crowd ganged up on two officers after they managed to separate them. They began to pound them with wet toilet paper wads. At one point, two rioters tried to force one officer to wipe their asses.

What is occurring at this moment appears to be a culmination of weeks of more peaceful demonstrations. With each successive and more populous crowds, and with government appearing unwilling to halt the repeal of the unprecedented national butt-wiping entitlement, there is escalating violence. The French are simply unwilling to wipe their own posteriors, and many fear that the vast majority of them are now incapable of self-wiping following years of personal hygiene entitlements courtesy of the French Government. Reports are suggesting this will further escalate into potential deadly violence unless the military is brought in. The State appears unwilling to take such drastic action, despite raw footage of unprecedented violence. Significant health concerns have also arisen as French youths continue to poop in the streets and wipe their butts on the edges of government buildings, shops, lampposts, and on each other. Reports of sexually transmitted disease have surged in recent weeks within the gay community. Most, if not all of the gay Frenchmen are apparently aroused by these particular riots.

Rioters now appear to be more organized and premeditated in their chain of violence. They are donning scarves and masks around their faces and heads. Part of the reason for this is to protect them from their own stench, but they are also trying to avoid being recognized. Many are wearing bottomless pants exposing their posteriors in an effort to more efficiently stage their poop-ins in front of government buildings and on sidewalks.

Currently, there are at least 100,000 people pooping on French streets, according to police, including flatulent students parading through Marseille and major marches in cities from Nantes in the west to Saint-Etienne in the southeast.

Copyright 2006 CBS News
 

The Gunslinger

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Considering how many people seeming to be rallying to France, and the French language, nobody here seems to wonder about other languages that are spoken even more infrequently than French...

Sprechen sie Deutch?

Oddly enough, Germans more often than not, learn English as a second language, and German is doing quite well in the German states.
 

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Blackleaf said:
French Demonstrations Turning into Riots, Pooping in the Streets



At least 100,000 protesters marched through French cities on Tuesday, demanding that the government not repeal a popular national entitlement that has divided the country’s buttocks. A nationwide strike supporting the protests halted air, train, rail traffic, and all shipments of toilet paper into the country.




In fact you have a problem with people who have guts to protest on the street because they don t like what their gov do? french are not kind of people who will sit on their fat ass, and let their crazy governement do anything with them, something you are not used to.
 

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JoeyB said:
Guys, you're not doing anything to further your credibility on this issue with both of you ramming hate down each others fundamental orifice.

Try and at least state your case in a less annoying fashion, so all of us who read the thread can at least enjoy some healthy argument, not purile name-trashing and blind intolerance.


True,i admit, but i never said i was perfect.

I've been around forum in the last 5 years,mostly pro-americans forums and i ve never seen so much hatred towards french than in here, and we are in canada, my bad.
 

iamcanadian

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I don't think anyone hates French People. They hate their Distinct Culture advantages and what it is doing to our contry and to the Intergrity of our public services by turning Canada in to Bananada.

It's a cultural problem created by those here for generations thinking they are entittled to their entittlement for imigrating here first.

Most people here left countries that where perceived to be more corrupt than Canada was only to find out after many years of sacrifice trying to adavcen that those earlier immigrants ingrained in our public services are worse than those from countries they left behind tryiing to get aways from it.

Enough is enough.

It was not as bad 30 years ago. So it has something to do with the pandering to the French Culture that is causing the Bananafication of Canada because they are entittled to their entittlements just for speaking French.
 

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iamcanadian said:
I don't think anyone hates French People. They hate their Distinct Culture advantages and what it is doing to our contry and to the Intergrity of our public services by turning Canada in to Bananada.

It's a cultural problem created by those here for generations thinking they are entittled to their entittlement for imigrating here first.

Most people here left countries that where perceived to be more corrupt than Canada was only to find out after many years of sacrifice trying to adavcen that those earlier immigrants ingrained in our public services are worse than those from countries they left behind tryiing to get aways from it.

Enough is enough.

It was not as bad 30 years ago. So it has something to do with the pandering to the French Culture that is causing the Bananafication of Canada because they are entittled to their entittlements just for speaking French.


You must smoke very good stuff, to think french culture has advantage over the rest in canada, i dont know where you got that, probable somewhere in the cossmos.
 

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iamcanadian said:
No, I got it from looking at our Government Services and our Government Spending.

... in your local school district?
 

aeon

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iamcanadian said:
No, I got it from looking at our Government Services and our Government Spending.


Then how would you explain , that there is more money coming out of quebec, that getting in from ottawa??
 

iamcanadian

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What are you saying? Quebec takes in more that the other provinces from the Non-French Candians.

If you count the extra cost government services of all kinds ONLY for the 5% French-a-phones out side of Quebec then the Non-French Canadians are paying thruw the NOSE in way extra to serve the French and give them their way across the contry and in every level of government.

Everything done in French ourtside of Quebec is only for the benefit of 5% of the population. It's everywhere and its STUPID because MOST OF IT IS NEVER READ BY ANYONE THAT UNDERSTANDS IT.

It could all be written in Portugese and 95% of the population of Canada would NOT ever notice the difference.
 

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iamcanadian is a bigot
I can't imagine that we share the same country.
I didn't read all your posts because I don't have the time to, but you seem to be a Nazism, no?
Do you know what is a culture, a language? Probably not, and if you were a little more open minded, you shall know what it means. Anyway, I think that French won't be assimilated with English that fast as you pretend..

Vivement les personnes francophones!
 

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iamcanadian said:
What are you saying? Quebec takes in more that the other provinces from the Non-French Candians.

If you count the extra cost government services of all kinds ONLY for the 5% French-a-phones out side of Quebec then the Non-French Canadians are paying thruw the NOSE in way extra to serve the French and give them their way across the contry and in every level of government.

Everything done in French ourtside of Quebec is only for the benefit of 5% of the population. It's everywhere and its STUPID because MOST OF IT IS NEVER READ BY ANYONE THAT UNDERSTANDS IT.

It could all be written in Portugese and 95% of the population of Canada would NOT ever notice the difference.

But it's not the French Canadians who pushed for this nationwide bilingualism; it was the English Canadians as an attemtp to buy out the sovereignist votes from Quebec. So you can't blame the French speaking population for an idea chiefly championned by the English-speaking population even if the French-speaking populatin is the main beneficiary of this. Many sovereignists, for instance, don't want French services in Canada. Were you aware of that? So if you support an English-only Canada, it would seem logical for you to support Quebec sovereignty too, no?:p
 

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I am all for Canada separating from Quebec. This should have been done 30 years ago or more.

If they ever ask all of Canada in a referendum the separatists of Canada would have voted 80% in favour of separation. But they only ever ask Quebec where more than half are enjoying the benefits and extra attention at the Non-French's expense.
 

iamcanadian

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When I meet people who send their children to our Public French Segragated Schools in Ontario, like Le Conseil Scolaire du District Centre Sud Ouest http://www.csdcso.on.ca/contacts.asp?titre2=4&resultat=1&titrecons=1&cons=1 I ask them, "Why don't you move to Quebec if you care so much about French Culture to segragate your children from the general public of Ontario?

Answers like "French people have the right to keep our children separate from Non-French Canadians" is the kind of answer I always get.
 

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I don't think that the use of French should be discouraged outside of the Province of Québec; we have a French immersion school just a few blocks from where I live, and I think it's sort of cool. It's nice to be an option.
 

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FiveParadox said:
I don't think that the use of French should be discouraged outside of the Province of Québec; we have a French immersion school just a few blocks from where I live, and I think it's sort of cool. It's nice to be an option.

Le Conseil Scolare du District Center Sud Ouest is NOT a French Immersion school. French Immersion is part of the regular Public School System designed to teach Non-French kids French. Le Conseil Scolaire du District Center Sud Ouest is not designed to provide such a service. It is a French Segragation School Board System.

CSDCSO it is instead a "Segregation" French School organized to serve only French Canadian Families to send their children to, so they don't mix with the children of Non-French families so that they can exercise the French Canadian right to maintain "distinct societies" excluding the rest of us and more remarkably at out our public expense.

Check out their website and see for yourself: http://www.csdcso.on.ca

There is nothing cool about this. It is a most disgusting and blatantly shamefull thing for any Canadian family and their children to make use of.

If you don't believe me contact it's elected president here:

Mr. Ron Marion, President
206 Church St.
Welland, ON L3C4P2
Number (905) 732-7067
email: marionr@csdcso.on.ca