. . and so it begins, . . . man admitted with massive . . .

[MHz]

Buddy knows enough to take pictures but not enough to get out>

Notice the date, it was after the inspection rather than before. The damage had already been done as*hat and what part of Chance being out of the place did not compute??

A crack in the drywall is not a big deal in an older house and it is not dangerous to people. A stage 3 mold growth (>100sqft) is a different animal, that should be clear even to a f*cktard such as yourself.

 

[petros]

You brain is getting too much humidity, take action now before it goes moldy. Be aware the cure might cause more damage that the humidity but then again you don't use yo.ur brain very much as you clearly show us each and every day.

Frost is from humidity. Mold won't grow where it is dry ya waterhead.

 

[MHz]

Just how many turnips are you doing a day?

This part is to show that I understand the dynamics of the place.

In the pic with the drywall still on place it has some of the bare wall being shown. Between the two was the old vinyl wallpaper that was used on the place and through the cold air in the wall cavity the moisture in the air that could enter the wall cavity condensed on the side of the cavity that was closest to the wallpaper and the drywall. The frost melted and the moisture moved towards the warm side and the vinyl prevented it from moving all the way and then evaporating. That moisture came each and every winter and because that opening was not like all the others the moisture returned year after year. All the rest of the exterior wall were sealed so no moisture laden air was there to supply the moisture the mold needed. In the old days the roof started to leak and that was where the moisture came from. In the last year there the roof started to leak and I was waiting to see if it would be fixed before deciding to move as finding a place that allowed pets was a priority back then. it is also one today as Chance left me his dog to take care of.

That vent was supposed to be a cold air return but the box that should have been in the basement that led to the furnace should have been there, it was gone and that also allowed warm air from the basement to rise into that wall cavity where the moisture condensed out of it and the inside of the wall, each and every year for the whole time we were there.

You get all of that, no doubt the steel trap of a mind that gerr has would have gobbled it up like a fat chick on a smartie.

The owner and landlord would have to know mold could have been a cause, surely it should have been inspected by them and the place closed down at that point meaning it should not have even been on the market when Chance and I started looking for a place that allowed pets.

 

[petros]

You don't understand that humidity and not venting is the cause of the mold?

Answer this: "what is the purpose of using poly for vapour barrier"?

 

[MHz]

I assume it was the way the place was made windproof way back when it was first built. the addition on the back was typical stud wall construction in use today and those walls can get wet but they also allow the water to evaporate again and I had assumed the rest of the house was built the same and the crack was where an old doorway was. Only when the drywall came down did the difference s show up.
Not trying to defend myself but you would have needed x-ray vision to know there was a change in construction methods. Here is a pic of what was left of it when I ripped down a piece of the ceiling in the kitchen. I doubt it was all black when it was installed.

 

[petros]

Nooooo. VAPOUR barrier. What is another word for water vapour?

 

[MHz]

Straight plastic would have been nice, it doesn't turn into food for mold.
Toxic Black Mold (Stachybotrys)

Where Toxic Black Mold Grows and What Causes It

Toxic black mold grows best in warm conditions and is found in many countries throughout the world. Outdoors, toxic black mold grows in soil and on plant debris. Indoors, toxic black mold needs materials high in cellulose and low in nitrogen to grow on. This means toxic black mold can grow on many common indoor building materials.

When toxic black mold does grow in the home it's usually in a place out of sight. Toxic black mold needs a lot of moisture for a long time before it can begin to grow. This is why it often grows where there has been a water leak hidden from view. Leaks inside walls, above ceilings or under floors are common causes of toxic black mold.

How Long Before Toxic Black Mold Grows

Toxic black mold does not grow as quickly or as easily as most molds. Toxic black mold needs a suitable material to be very wet for at least a week before it can begin to grow.

While most molds take just one or two days to colonize, toxic black mold usually needs eight to twelve days. Once toxic black mold is growing though it usually forces out any other molds growing nearby and takes over its environment.

Toxic Black Mold Mycotoxins

Mycotoxins are carried on the spores of toxic black mold and are also found throughout the entire mold colony. People with toxic black mold in their homes are mostly exposed to mycotoxins through breathing them in. This leads to toxic symptoms and health problems.

Toxic black mold produces trichothecene mycotoxins. These are some of the most toxic and stable mycotoxins. Trichothecene mycotoxins can take several years to break down and can be nearly impossible to remove from homes.

Mycotoxins has general information on mycotoxins produced by different species of toxic molds.
Trichothecene Mycotoxins has information on the family of mycotoxins produced by Stachybotrys.
Toxic Black Mold Spores and Mycotoxins talks specifically about the spores and mycotoxins which Stachybotrys produces.

 

[petros]

Shithead. What stopped you from getting spray foam to fill the crack, use kilz (KILZ® Primers, Specialty Paints & Concrete Stains) and vent the vapour?

 

[gerryh]

Not trying to defend myself but you would have needed x-ray vision to know there was a change in construction methods. Here is a pic of what was left of it when I ripped down a piece of the ceiling in the kitchen. I doubt it was all black when it was installed.

So, YOU would have needed xray vision to see, but the landlord didn't? Or did he have xray vision?

In the pic with the drywall still on place it has some of the bare wall being shown. Between the two was the old vinyl wallpaper that was used on the place and through the cold air in the wall cavity the moisture in the air that could enter the wall cavity condensed on the side of the cavity that was closest to the wallpaper and the drywall. The frost melted and the moisture moved towards the warm side and the vinyl prevented it from moving all the way and then evaporating. That moisture came each and every winter and because that opening was not like all the others the moisture returned year after year. All the rest of the exterior wall were sealed so no moisture laden air was there to supply the moisture the mold needed. In the old days the roof started to leak and that was where the moisture came from. In the last year there the roof started to leak and I was waiting to see if it would be fixed before deciding to move as finding a place that allowed pets was a priority back then. it is also one today as Chance left me his dog to take care of.

That vent was supposed to be a cold air return but the box that should have been in the basement that led to the furnace should have been there, it was gone and that also allowed warm air from the basement to rise into that wall cavity where the moisture condensed out of it and the inside of the wall, each and every year for the whole time we were there.

You get all of that, no doubt the steel trap of a mind that gerr has would have gobbled it up like a fat chick on a smartie.

The owner and landlord would have to know mold could have been a cause, surely it should have been inspected by them and the place closed down at that point meaning it should not have even been on the market when Chance and I started looking for a place that allowed pets.

So, where exactly did the moisture come from? Just want to make sure I have this right.

 

[petros]

So, where exactly did the moisture come from? Just want to make sure I have this right.

Cooking Ramen noodles. 90 meals a month of ichiban.

 

[DaSleeper]

S0, where exactly did the moisture come from? Just want to make sure I have this right.

Maybe from him or the kid or someone else taking looong steamy hot showers?

 

[petros]

Growing dope.

 

[gerryh]

Maybe from him or the kid or someone else taking looong steamy hot showers?

Or, humidifier turned up WAY too high, year in and year out.

 

[petros]

All he had to do was spend $40 on spray foam and kilz.

 

[MHz]

So, YOU would have needed xray vision to see, but the landlord didn't? Or did he have xray vision?





So, where exactly did the moisture come from? Just want to make sure I have this right.

The landlord was the one that did the repairs for the earlier problem with the mold so he would have been the one to put up the drywall in the whole house. Would you like his affidavit that states the house did have a history but repairs were made so the people he rented it to were only subjected to 'safe levelsof black mold'.

All air contains some moisture. the air in the livingroom was at 70F and when it was in the wall it dropped to something close toi the outside temp and that colder air had to lose some moisture so it did it as frost on the inside of that cavity that was vented to the warm basement air and the warm air from the livingroom.

All he had to do was spend $40 on spray foam and kilz.

All I had to do is not rent from those f*cking slumlords. You are right, if that one section had no vent to the warm air the mold would not have been there until the roof started to leak as it did the first time mold was in the house from hell.
The question should be asked of the owner rather than the renter BTW.

 

[gerryh]

and, of course, you never noticed the VERY cold draft in that area.

 

[MHz]

The cold air would have gone straight to the basement. This reality stuff is way too difficult isn't it.

Same letter as viewed from the living room and the basement. You do know that warm air rises right?

 

[gerryh]

The cold air would have gone straight to the basement. This reality stuff is way too difficult isn't it.

Same letter as viewed from the living room and the basement. You do know that warm air rises right?

This is just like the holocaust and the moon landing.

 

[MHz]

Feel free to quit stopping by anytime since you lost every point you tried to bring up.

 

[gerryh]

Feel free to quit stopping by anytime since you lost every point you tried to bring up.

I haven't lost anything. You are full of shit about this whole thing. It is ALL lies. There's been no poisoning from sewer gases, and no poisoning from black mold......... unless it was on purpose, by your hand.