An Inside Look at World War II's Bloodiest Battle

Cannuck

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EagleSmack

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I recall reading the same points that Petros is making about 20- 25 years ago. History of Moscow- up thru the Czars till the last one.

Moscow... yeah the Mongols destroyed that city too!

Yeah the Russians don't really like mentioning it. They are a proud people and the thought of Mongol Horse Archers poking holes in their paternal ancestors with thousands of arrows and adding their maternal ancestors to their collection of wives and slaves doesn't sit well with modern day Russians.
 

petros

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I recall reading the same points that Petros is making about 20- 25 years ago. History of Moscow- up thru the Czars till the last one.
Muscovites were people living in a fortress, there was no Russia and the was no Moscow at the time of Genghis Khan unless he lived to be 300 years old.
 

EagleSmack

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Did you read the book or just the cover?

This is true because the bookcover says so.

Do you know the difference between a book and a Topps trading card wrapper?

DOUBLE PWNED!

That must be the Canadian education that you are bragging about.
 

petros

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So the battle of Kalka in 1223 was against Russian and and not the Kievan Rus based out of Kiev?

'Mercan history is amazing....
 

petros

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The Battle of the Kalka River (Russian: Битва на реке Калке, Ukrainian: Битва на ріці Калка) took place on May 31, 1223, between the Mongol Empire (led by Jebe and Subutai) and Kiev, Galich, and several other Rus' principalities and the Cumans, under the command of Mstislav the Bold and Mstislav III of Kiev. The battle was fought on the banks of the Kalka River (in present-day Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine) and ended in a Mongol victory.

No mention of Russians, just Kievan Rus.

I wonder why?

I'll have my arrow back... thanks.

From who, the Russians or the Kievan Rus?
 

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From Russia with love!

Mongolian Invasion



Battle at Kalka.

First conflict between ancient Russia and Mongols was in 1223, when Mongolian army of 30.000 people came to Black sea steppes after defeating Alans and Polovtsy. Polovtsy asked Russian princes for help. And the united army of the three strongest Russian princes: Mstislav Romanovich of Kiev, Mstislav Svyatoslavich of Chernigov and Mstislav Metislavich of Galich, began the campaign against Mongolian tribes.

On May 31, 1223 at the battle on Kalka river (near the Azov sea) Russian-Polovtsy army was defeated because of uncoordinated actions. Six Russian princes were killed, three princes (including the prince of Kiev) were captured and then brutally killed. Thus, Russia for the first time experienced the military power of Mongolian Horde.

Lots of Russian there bro! Whoop!
 

gerryh

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Wow, aren't semantics wonderful? You can argue the same thing all day long.