An Angle Straight to Hell.
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The Druids were the part of the Nobel class and the most prestigious thereof. Their society was very much like a communism and could be considered a variation of. Way closer to it, then like a Democracy of any kind.
Regardless of that, not one of you was able to give me a factual answer relevant to your apparent point, instead you simply indicated that greed and fear are the basis of your standing. Your are all simply sheep. Just like Matty the American. Everything you said to him yesterday you have today completely in every way, contradicted.
The lot of you enjoy referring to the USSR as synonymous with "Communism", and yet you hammer out the factless propaganda like a gun is pointed to your head.
One would think, that since it is obvious most of you look at the USSR for all your information on what a "Communism" could be and how "evil" and dangerous it apparently is, you would not then enforce such an omnipresence of conformity. Look at you guys! .. Not one of you can point out anything factual or debate anything by yourself. Because you have nothing to say!! It seems most of you are simply afraid of change, and afraid of true freedom. You have even resorted to play ground style mockery, which considering it is about 5 to 1, is rather pathetic and cowardly. Meritocracy, based on anything other than money appears preposterous to you.. To you this is just a big game, and a hobby, in which nothing that is said is taken seriously, but instead is just perceived as a potential opportunity to look for mistakes, loop holes, to exploit so you can then argue about nonsense. Yes, I was angry earlier and made many typos. It was very mature of you, and helped your credibility loads, to make fun of them. Good job indeed. Excuse me for being passionate about the topic we are discussing. IT is hard not to become emotional when subjected to such a blatant level of ignorance. Oh no, an extra comma ,,,,,,,,,
I become emotional, when one bases all his major decisisions on greed and fear, and is too naive to see it. Forgive me for my imperfections, demonstrated proportionally to the intentional self pulling of yourselves back into perpetual irrelevancy.
I am not some teenage Anarchist, point making brat trying to waste time. I am an adult, a father, and I want to see a Canada where my daughters and my son will have the same opportunity as everyone else. Considering, it is no longer even possible to have a real discussion regarding one's beliefs, that is not likely to happen with the way things are now. Canada, as a democracy, will never provide that. How, in good conscious can any of you actually say "the equality of socialism, means the limiting of your potential"? .. The level of blatant selfishness around here is repugnant. When, infact, all it limits is the difference in financial wealth between you and other humans. Is that all you care about? .. Having power over people? That is your ONLY real argument? It seems, that is what you keep resorting back to. The prioritizing of the opportunity to gain power and wealth over your fellow man, regardless of how great your quality of living may be. Without the chance to be ahead of at least some in status and in power. One who needs to be financially ahead of or in control of other people to feel like he has reached some sort of "potential" is a very confused sole. DISGUSTING! Meeting the lot of you, has increased by far, my desire for a communist Canada.
No human has the god damn right to enslave another human, either directly or indirectly. With that said, you entire argument seems to be based on a desire to achieve an indirect slavery. You feel you have earned the privilege of being above some people in status and wealth. That is wrong. Such a thing can not be earned.
Everything you guys have done and said in the latter part of this thread, is exactly what you said you did not like about the former USSR, which you love to keep referring to with such ignorance. You guys sound like one giant pre-plotted group absurdity. You have done nothing here but create a promotion and a diatribe. Everything you said you didn't like about the USSR, you have demonstrated in your failed defense of democracy. As a I said before "I find it a hilarious display of ignorance, that the same wealthy individuals who claim "some of the poorest people they have met are truly free and happy", use their perception of "meritocracy" as an attempt to justify why they so conveniently perceive a huge gap between classes as acceptable"
I believe in educating the people, all people. I believe that no one man having any opportunity or power over any other man in his society. Our entire government does nothing but exploit opportunities from whatever groups they can. They cull partisan votes, reaping detrimental consequences to the proletariat. What you guys refer to as "left" infact promotes nothing even close to the ideologies of what is actually "left". You are lost in your own beleifs. You don't even know what it is you believe in anymore. All your so called beliefs contradict each-other, as you talk about Anarachy, yet collectively are acting as the catalysts for chaos, precipitating nothing but irrelevant off topic bickering.
Regardless of that, not one of you was able to give me a factual answer relevant to your apparent point, instead you simply indicated that greed and fear are the basis of your standing. Your are all simply sheep. Just like Matty the American. Everything you said to him yesterday you have today completely in every way, contradicted.
The lot of you enjoy referring to the USSR as synonymous with "Communism", and yet you hammer out the factless propaganda like a gun is pointed to your head.
One would think, that since it is obvious most of you look at the USSR for all your information on what a "Communism" could be and how "evil" and dangerous it apparently is, you would not then enforce such an omnipresence of conformity. Look at you guys! .. Not one of you can point out anything factual or debate anything by yourself. Because you have nothing to say!! It seems most of you are simply afraid of change, and afraid of true freedom. You have even resorted to play ground style mockery, which considering it is about 5 to 1, is rather pathetic and cowardly. Meritocracy, based on anything other than money appears preposterous to you.. To you this is just a big game, and a hobby, in which nothing that is said is taken seriously, but instead is just perceived as a potential opportunity to look for mistakes, loop holes, to exploit so you can then argue about nonsense. Yes, I was angry earlier and made many typos. It was very mature of you, and helped your credibility loads, to make fun of them. Good job indeed. Excuse me for being passionate about the topic we are discussing. IT is hard not to become emotional when subjected to such a blatant level of ignorance. Oh no, an extra comma ,,,,,,,,,
I become emotional, when one bases all his major decisisions on greed and fear, and is too naive to see it. Forgive me for my imperfections, demonstrated proportionally to the intentional self pulling of yourselves back into perpetual irrelevancy.
I am not some teenage Anarchist, point making brat trying to waste time. I am an adult, a father, and I want to see a Canada where my daughters and my son will have the same opportunity as everyone else. Considering, it is no longer even possible to have a real discussion regarding one's beliefs, that is not likely to happen with the way things are now. Canada, as a democracy, will never provide that. How, in good conscious can any of you actually say "the equality of socialism, means the limiting of your potential"? .. The level of blatant selfishness around here is repugnant. When, infact, all it limits is the difference in financial wealth between you and other humans. Is that all you care about? .. Having power over people? That is your ONLY real argument? It seems, that is what you keep resorting back to. The prioritizing of the opportunity to gain power and wealth over your fellow man, regardless of how great your quality of living may be. Without the chance to be ahead of at least some in status and in power. One who needs to be financially ahead of or in control of other people to feel like he has reached some sort of "potential" is a very confused sole. DISGUSTING! Meeting the lot of you, has increased by far, my desire for a communist Canada.
No human has the god damn right to enslave another human, either directly or indirectly. With that said, you entire argument seems to be based on a desire to achieve an indirect slavery. You feel you have earned the privilege of being above some people in status and wealth. That is wrong. Such a thing can not be earned.
Everything you guys have done and said in the latter part of this thread, is exactly what you said you did not like about the former USSR, which you love to keep referring to with such ignorance. You guys sound like one giant pre-plotted group absurdity. You have done nothing here but create a promotion and a diatribe. Everything you said you didn't like about the USSR, you have demonstrated in your failed defense of democracy. As a I said before "I find it a hilarious display of ignorance, that the same wealthy individuals who claim "some of the poorest people they have met are truly free and happy", use their perception of "meritocracy" as an attempt to justify why they so conveniently perceive a huge gap between classes as acceptable"
I believe in educating the people, all people. I believe that no one man having any opportunity or power over any other man in his society. Our entire government does nothing but exploit opportunities from whatever groups they can. They cull partisan votes, reaping detrimental consequences to the proletariat. What you guys refer to as "left" infact promotes nothing even close to the ideologies of what is actually "left". You are lost in your own beleifs. You don't even know what it is you believe in anymore. All your so called beliefs contradict each-other, as you talk about Anarachy, yet collectively are acting as the catalysts for chaos, precipitating nothing but irrelevant off topic bickering.
Re: RE: An Angle Straight to Hell.
Jay... it would be for your own good. In the "Peoples March" for true Communism their will be casualties, some innocent some not but it is for the greater good!
ONWARD WITH THE RED FLAGS!
Jay said:
Jay... it would be for your own good. In the "Peoples March" for true Communism their will be casualties, some innocent some not but it is for the greater good!
ONWARD WITH THE RED FLAGS!
Hey ITN call Jim will ya. 8) Him and Gordo here can bore each other with their long winded speech's 
Why you so bitter Gordo lifes to short man :? I've gone through the same shit you have with your kids the difference between us is I see the glass half full and you see it half empty :wink: Take a closer look life aint so bad if you look around
Actually, it is the other way around my friend. You are certainly not the gang of friendly optimistic individual's you would like to be perceived as. More like an omnipresent dictatorship. I am the one who has faith that we can all live in harmony, whereas, you are the one who does nothing but promote negativity and precipitate punitive damage whenever someone tries to present an uncommon idea. Most of you seem to label anything outside your little circle as bad, and impossible before you even know anything about it.
You and/or your friends often change the subject, argue about unrelated topics in attempts to destroy a debate, and then become obsessed with pointing out any minor differences that may occur in a "revolution" for example, as negative, completely disregarding the possibility we may be ready for the positive. I am the one who has been saying the glass is half full all along in the big picture, and consequently have been subjected to perpetual ridicule, negativity, and blatant disrespect.
In addition:
I never have disrespected anyone on this board unless I was attacked first unjustly. I even apologized in several instances for posts of mine that were misunderstood due to rushed phrasing on my part. I simply thought this board could be a great place to discuss issues. However, after the following occurred, the disrespect level became to high to ignore:
Someone attempted to show my beliefs were worthless by killing my threads because they did not agree with them before they even acknowledged the main point, nor even tried to understand them.
Someone attempted to show my beliefs were worthless by telling me to leave Canada because he did not agree with them.
Someone telling me my beliefs are worthless by telling me I am not welcome at this board because of my actual beliefs.
Someone called me a name, in which case I call them one back. Big deal.
So you see, it is infact, many of you who disrespect me by purposely avoiding the main point of every single post I made, over and over again, to only pick at insignificant details, in an attempt to cause a useless argument deliberately baiting people away from the main issue.
You see, many here have labeled all my ideas, and anything similar, as impossible before I even present them. In your mind, I am a perpetually half empty glass, no matter what I say. You are a pessimist in all instances except that which is sure to benefit you.
All I want most of the time is a good discussion, but it is very hard to get anything other then thread killers, subject changers, and arguers of the insignificant.
With that said, if anyone wants to debate a topic related to socialism, without changing the subject or desire to kill threads, or argue about barely related details deliberately, is welcomed and will be respected
I have many ideas and theories, but it seems a waste to be too serious when noone even attempts to understand anything. All I really want here, is some good fair discussion that stays on topic long enough for both sides to at least understand eachothers points without necessarily having to agree.
I beleive the first step to true freedom is unbiased education, and I get nothing but hatred, anger filled responses as a result of that beleif. Nice "optimism" you guys have here.
You and/or your friends often change the subject, argue about unrelated topics in attempts to destroy a debate, and then become obsessed with pointing out any minor differences that may occur in a "revolution" for example, as negative, completely disregarding the possibility we may be ready for the positive. I am the one who has been saying the glass is half full all along in the big picture, and consequently have been subjected to perpetual ridicule, negativity, and blatant disrespect.
In addition:
I never have disrespected anyone on this board unless I was attacked first unjustly. I even apologized in several instances for posts of mine that were misunderstood due to rushed phrasing on my part. I simply thought this board could be a great place to discuss issues. However, after the following occurred, the disrespect level became to high to ignore:
Someone attempted to show my beliefs were worthless by killing my threads because they did not agree with them before they even acknowledged the main point, nor even tried to understand them.
Someone attempted to show my beliefs were worthless by telling me to leave Canada because he did not agree with them.
Someone telling me my beliefs are worthless by telling me I am not welcome at this board because of my actual beliefs.
Someone called me a name, in which case I call them one back. Big deal.
So you see, it is infact, many of you who disrespect me by purposely avoiding the main point of every single post I made, over and over again, to only pick at insignificant details, in an attempt to cause a useless argument deliberately baiting people away from the main issue.
You see, many here have labeled all my ideas, and anything similar, as impossible before I even present them. In your mind, I am a perpetually half empty glass, no matter what I say. You are a pessimist in all instances except that which is sure to benefit you.
All I want most of the time is a good discussion, but it is very hard to get anything other then thread killers, subject changers, and arguers of the insignificant.
With that said, if anyone wants to debate a topic related to socialism, without changing the subject or desire to kill threads, or argue about barely related details deliberately, is welcomed and will be respected
I have many ideas and theories, but it seems a waste to be too serious when noone even attempts to understand anything. All I really want here, is some good fair discussion that stays on topic long enough for both sides to at least understand eachothers points without necessarily having to agree.
I beleive the first step to true freedom is unbiased education, and I get nothing but hatred, anger filled responses as a result of that beleif. Nice "optimism" you guys have here.
Gordon J Torture said:
Hmmm...part of the noble class...the religious elite in a broad sense of the term. Which again implies a subservient society.
You say that you want back up and yet GJT you have not really proven your point. I've given you quotes from books...if you want I can back it up with websites.
Gjt , I have never insulted you as a matter of fact... when you first came onto this site you made insinuations that I was not bright enough to have a conversation with you. How condescending is that? I let it roll,because if your argument consists in part, of insulting your opponent...then you really haven't proven your argument.
I've read what you've said ...you argue with people that agree with you ....you argue with people that disagree with you. It looks to me that you really are more interested in being the center of attention rather putting up any noteworthy debate. Yes there are people that have acted childish...but so what...that is their issue. Let it roll off you and prove what you have to say.
Gordon J Torture said:
Perhaps this is part of the problem....I'm sure most people in this country, and on this board, agree that your son, and daughters, do have the same opportunity as everyone else. You refusal to admit this, or understand this, isn't understandable.
There are lots of poor people in Canada who have made it to the "top". I wish the best for your children, and I'm sure they will do just fine as adults. I certainly don't come from money, and I lead a modest lifestyle, and do just fine.
By suggesting Canada (that we have worked hard at making it a great place) isn't a land of opportunity, you’re going to meet with opposition.
Gordon J Torture said:
And I maintain....Instead of communizing Canada....go find a country that meets your needs, rather than trying to fundamentally change the very nature of the country we live in.
We have enough socialism in Canada as it is, and I suspect that as time moves forward, were going to see less socialism in the future, not the communization of the country.
What’s wrong with that? You seem to think it sucks here, well then...maybe China or some eastern block country would serve your tastes better. I would think twice about leaving this land of opportunity though…
I wonder how many votes these guys got at election time....
http://www.communist-party.ca/
If you are offering to pay for myself and my family, who cannot afford such a thing, to move to another country, and implying you know of an existing Country that has in place a true, non-corrupt communism, then I may at one time, have considered moving there. However, there are thousands of people in this country who share my views, and abandon them I will not. I will pursue until my last dying breath, a truly free Canadian communism, were our children are not enslaved by greed. Capitalism, which will always return and triumph in democracy, is by definition and logic together, no different than slavery. I have only just began.
There are lots of poor people who won the lottery too, that doesn't make it a viable way to plan your future.
The fact is, the percent of "poor" people who make it to the top, is ridiculously low, and preposterous to use as a valid argument.
What does that really mean? Unless it is simply impossible to hide, in such cases as your parents were actually millionaires, then noone likes to admit "they came from money" ... Why would one admit that? .. People have been programmed. They like to feel they are justified in their "climb up the latter" of control over man. If you meant that you came from welfare areas of town, lived in apartment buildings, crime infested areas, town houses etc, and didn't have access to family that could help you, than ok, you may know what the real world is like. And I am actually impressed with what you did, but I still don't think it is even remotely possible most poor people can do what you may have done in this current system. But if you came from a nice little house your parents actually OWNED, with one or two cars in the drive way, in a nice little area of town with a nice big tree on your front lawn, then you DID "come from money".
Seriously my friend, the quality of life of the poor, and even more unnoticeably to most, the "lower middle class", in this country has went down so far it is hard to believe we are not in some sort of corrupt dictatorship. It just continunes to worsen, and it continuously becomes more difficult to do what you may have done, and "climb that latter". It is already exponentially times harder to do this than it was 20 years ago in this country.
The bottom line, and the only relevant issue in this is this: The percentage of people from poor families, by fact alone, that acquire high levels of education, and high financial success, is very greatly lower than the percentage of people from wealthy families that do the same, and this gap continues to worsen.
This indicates that although the POSSIBILITY of having the same opportunity as everyone else may be there, just as the possibility of winning the lottery is there, it is unlikely to happen, and thus, we are not truly free.