An Angle Straight to Hell.

[Jay]

If you want to live under the "Iron Fist of Socialism" you should have no problem finding a country that suits your desires, but don't bother trying to change Canada into some pathetic little pawn in the sick evil game of communism.

Have you been reading something I am not aware of? ... I have done nothing different than anyone else on this message board. I have discussed and stated my beliefs the same as any of you. You are persecuting me because you do not agree with my beliefs. Why not tell EVERYONE you disagree with, not to post here, and to leave the country?

I wasn't aware you knew what things I've been reading....kinda scary.... if you think about it....

I have absolutely no problem with you stating your views and beliefs and posting here...I'm not a communist, I wouldn't take that right away from you, and I'm not persecuting you. When I persecute people....it’s much worse...ask ITN. Of course I know that you know that when you call for the removal of the PM, to be replaced by a dictator, you’re bound to get some reaction. (Some people's ancestors fought to have the rights we have, and others to maintain them).

And it isn't a stretch of the imagination to wonder why, when such drastic change is called for, why that person would want to fundamentally change the nature of the country they live in, rather than go to a place where it is already in existence.

As far as "evil", what makes you think anything about true "communism" is evil? .. Because of Stalin? .. He was not even a socialist, he was no different then Bush manipulating a situation to his own benefit. People lived communist style for thousands of years in peace before democracy, a way to gain power and status without war, was created. Personally, I do think there is any need to gain power and status, and I believe everyone is equal and should have exact equal opportunity for everything, not just what fits into a so called "budget".

I do not blame either of you for expressing such emotional beliefs because I understand you too, have been subjected to anti-Communist propaganda. It's all around us. But we must be stronger than that. I just hope neither of you have ever downloaded an mp3 from a file sharing program because that is communism my friend, and would make you one hell of a hypocrite.

I just hope neither of you have ever downloaded an mp3 from a file sharing program because that is communism my friend

At least we agree communism is theft.

You'll make a fine Socialist spokes person someday...there is a Communist party in Canada, and they need people like you.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: An Angle Straight to

I don't know, Vanni...there are a few communes that have existed since the 1960s Most failed, granted, but there is a huge amount of outside pressure and, let's face it, the people who started them were more interested in getting stoned and practicing "free love" than carrying out a true political and social experiment. The ones that have survived have been carefully managed from the beginning.

I don't think that large-scale communism can work any better than unfettered capitalism or peaceful anarchy, but I think we are heading for an experiment with it eventually. The capitalists seem hell-bent on fulfilling Marx's predictions and the mainstream media is beginning to carry articles about class conflict because the separation between rich and poor has become so great and now the middle class is getting screwed too.

As the stigma of Stalinism fades (and Gordon is right...it had little to do with communism), we will likely see some more experimentation with communism. If somebody can find a way to make it work, it could well catch on.

 

[Jay]

.....I've killed a few threads in my life, I don't deny it

Glad to see you live a productive life.

Communists aren’t usually interested in the unproductive....

 

[Gordon J Torture]

We've seen this happen too many times...what makes you think that will not happen the next time?

We have also seen Democracies turn into dictatorships time and time again, you just have not been subjected to very much anti-democratic propaganda. From your point of view that should be much worse then a failed attempt at socialism eventually turning back into democracy. Democracies always end up surviving by means of spreading fear, one way or the other. In modern day, that is just too dangerous a risk.

What makes me think it will not happen? ... Numbers, and faith. Negativity, greed, things most perceive as "evil" are becoming not only more common, but more accepted. More ACCEPTED as the norm!!! To continue down this path, would inevitably lead to the premature extinction of mankind. Currently in North America, a Socialist revolution would drastically benefit far more people then it would detriment. The only currently missing peace of the puzzle is education. If everyone knew a little more about politics, especially the lower of classes, and of different options in general, it would really change allot of things. Once we are educated, we will be a huge, passionate force that would not even be worth trying to defeat with violence. Why do you think all this anti-"Communist" propaganda is still around anyway? POWER. Those at the top, do not want us to know our options. They don't want us to know what we are missing, because they are enjoying every calculated move they make to malevolently control us like meaningless puppets for their own amusement and benefit.

There are people in this Country that bust their ass off working, can not afford a car, can barely pay the bills, max out their food bank opportunities, and get accused of TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM?? ..Acused by the ignorant greedy wealthy who want a tax break? It's INSANE! And only those who have been near the bottom understand how it really is.

 

[Gordon J Torture]

Communists aren’t usually interested in the unproductive....

Please tell me from which TRUE "communists", do you get this information?

 

[I think not]

We have also seen Democracies turn into dictatorships time and time again, you just have not been subjected to very much anti-democratic propaganda.

Am I not aware of any democracies turning into dictatorships. Examples?

 

[Jay]

I go down to the TRUE communist bar on the east side; they tell me all sorts of things. The beer is cheep, but it's really water.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: An Angle Straight to

Have a look around Africa and South America, I think not.

 

[Jay]

We have also seen Democracies turn into dictatorships time and time again, you just have not been subjected to very much anti-democratic propaganda.

Am I not aware of any democracies turning into dictatorships. Examples?

Germany? I'm sure you remember well when Hitler was in power....

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: An Angle Straight to

Have a look around Africa and South America, I think not.

Specific examples please and name the incidents and the governments being overthrown by a dictator.

 

[I think not]

We have also seen Democracies turn into dictatorships time and time again, you just have not been subjected to very much anti-democratic propaganda.

Am I not aware of any democracies turning into dictatorships. Examples?

Germany?

He was voted in.

 

[Jay]

We have also seen Democracies turn into dictatorships time and time again, you just have not been subjected to very much anti-democratic propaganda.

Am I not aware of any democracies turning into dictatorships. Examples?

Germany?

He was voted in.

And wouldn't that be a democracy turning into a dictatorship?

 

[Jo Canadian]

We have also seen Democracies turn into dictatorships time and time again, you just have not been subjected to very much anti-democratic propaganda.

Am I not aware of any democracies turning into dictatorships. Examples?

Germany & Italy shared a fate in regards to that.

 

[Gordon J Torture]

Am I not aware of any democracies turning into dictatorships. Examples?

Ancient Rome, and Germany in wwII instantly come to mind.

 

[Jo Canadian]

Here's a good writeup on Germany's downfall...note the eerie similarities: When Democracy Failed

 

[I think not]

Am I not aware of any democracies turning into dictatorships. Examples?

Ancient Rome, and Germany in wwII instantly come to mind.

OK, I stand corrected.

 

[mrmom2]

United States of America ITN Patriot act 2 Bush ,Cheney and the gang Taking all your rights buddy :wink:

 

[Gordon J Torture]

I wasn't aware you knew what things I've been reading....kinda scary.... if you think about it....

Actually, I poorly worded that and I am sorry. I meant that I was not aware that I had written anything of the sort, which you acted as if you had read.

I actually got little emotional aka pissed off, after, the whole dictatorship style, kick me off the board and out of the Country because my beliefs are different then yours ordeal. It's hard to make sense in such a state of mind.

 

[Gordon J Torture]

I'm not a communist, I wouldn't take that right away from you,

What doesn't make sense about this, is that true communism is about the giving of rights, not the taking away. Your entire perception has been crafted by propaganda.

 

[Jay]

So under "true" communism, I'm free to say what I want and open up a corporation and have people work for me?