He is fighting for his political life now. For a guy who once held all the power and couldn't get all he wanted with it, must be depressing.
American torture leaves Bradley Manning catatonic
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When Obama was popular everything was honky dory;-) with you...but now that he is not.....after four pages of posts you come in and start pontificating??:roll:
And that is intelligent???
I'm sorry, but if you want to troll you have to deal with the consequences. Your bi-polarization of this discussion is also a logical gaffe that trolls use.
So sue me for calling it like it is.
Calling out a troll != trolling. It's actually moderation, lol.
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Not at all. I've always disagreed with his zeal for militarism. Most sane people do.
The treatment of Bradley is unwarranted because he hasn't done any harm to national security or the military. His actions promote transparency - it's just that governments don't like it when people reveal that they are wrong about something. Somehow, revealing information that helps inform the people you are fighting for means you need to be punished for it.
That's not right. And we shouldn't just bend over and accept it because the admin says so.
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You may agree with what he did but legally what he did was wrong.
That is why he is in solitary awaiting trial. It does stink being in solitary, and when you are "catatonic" and a suicide risk you can't leave him with the implements to hang himself.
Bradley is in jail for what he did.
Well yea - they follow the rules even if those rules are totally devoid of any moral compass.
It's insane.
There needs to be movement on this fast because the worse his condition gets, not only is he suffering, but the worse the U.S. looks on the international front.
Should we just give him a rope? Put him in General Population? He'll get eaten alive and then what? People will whine because he wasn't in solitary being protected.
Do you think the international community gives a rat's butt on Bradley?
He is not the only guy in solitary confinement. The only difference between him and the others on the same block is that Bradley is a hero to many of the liberal persuasion.
That still doesn't make it right though. The policy on whistleblowing really needs more scrutiny. Maybe a provision that determines the repercussions based on what information is leaked and how it would ultimately effect people.
It is right. It is black and white. If you are entrusted with CONFIDENTIAL material of any consequence you are responsible for its security. Even if that means a cook's supply list of a deploying unit. Anything.
If you chose to give out that information to anyone that has no business reading, reprinting, releasing, etc, and are caught you must deal with the consequences of your actions. So if Bradley is catatonic and sleeps naked because he is on a suicide watch it is his own fault.
Realistically speaking if the treason wagon is going around town picking up and trying the guillty you'd have to toss 90% of the justice and political system on board.
You dig the trench and supply the lime, I'll supply the bullets to the back of the head.
Sound good?
You dig the trench and supply the lime, I'll supply the bullets to the back of the head.
Sound good?
I doubt he'll be charged with treason. I am not sure when the last treason trial was.
Nevertheless, he passed confidential material on to Wikileaks and that is why he is in Quantico.
Interesting video......
YouTube - How's Bradley Manning Being Treated in Jail? Alan Nathan Joins Live to Debate
I don't think there was that much outrage when Robert Hanssen was caught or his prison conditions....but then he wasn't a baby faced minority for liberals to fawn over:roll:
So, he made comments about committing suicide with his underwear, and now his underwear is being taken from him at night.
Why is this a problem? He threatened suicide, they are responding appropriately. End of story.
Perhaps his lawyer wants to go on suicide watch every night?
Why is this a problem? He threatened suicide, they are responding appropriately. End of story.
Perhaps his lawyer wants to go on suicide watch every night?
Last one was a fella named Adam Pearlman aka Adam Yahiye Gadahn.
Since the blowjob cover story was a success lets have a look at the real reasons Bill Clinton was tried and should have been strung up by the balls.
The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate
Please stop making this a political thing. It's not.
The fact of the matter is that his treatment is unnecessary, and even if they have this system in place, it's inhumane and just plain stupid. There has to be a motive behind it, otherwise they are just cruel bastards.
This shameful abuse of Bradley Manning | Daniel Ellsberg | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Even if that is crackpot, at least it makes some sense. I wouldn't put it past them.
It most definately is a political thing as Manning is not the only prisoner in Quantico in solitary. Being that he is the one who has been championed by the US Left they feel that he is somehow entitled to better treatment than the others.
Solitary confinement is not supposed to be fun. It is prison.
First - make a point by letting him go. Second - revise the existing legislation to benefit the people involved. That means, if the military ****s up because they are witholding information that would be better off revealed, then the whistleblower can live his free life. If the whistleblower reveals information that legitimately causes a threat to national security - then AFTER proving as much - they can choose to put the individual in confinement.
This would help the system focus on the issue at hand - which is the consequence of revealing pertinent information. Not the act of revealing information itself. If there is no harm to public safety - indeed in this case there is benefit - to revealing that information, then the whistleblower should not be punished for the sake of queen and country's reputation.
Yes, I get it. They are following protocol. But that protocol needs to be refined to better reflect a fair judgment of the act in question. Part of any fair trial process is that that the quantum effect of any act also helps determine if it is a negligent act.
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/N/Negligence.aspx
The kid knew that revealing this information would not cause any real harm, but would instead help. He didn't commit any act of negligence so why should he be punished for it?
We can't excuse it just because 'that's the way it's been done for years'.
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