American Deserters
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If a person has enlisted in any of the armed forces, and then ran away to Canada,ship them back to the USA in chains. They are far worse than cowards,they are dishonourable.
I would not expect a single Canadian soldier who is slated to serve in Afghanistan to go AWOL, cut and run, and ask Syria or France for asylum.
But if a bunch did would Darkbeaver support them?
Only Nutters would. There are many of these but thankfully none of those.
But if a bunch did would Darkbeaver support them?
Only Nutters would. There are many of these but thankfully none of those.
Missile wtote:
Though I would tend to agree I do believe that it all depends on the situation. Since the legality of the Iraq war has come into question under international jursprudence I think that they should have their day in Court (the deserters). The leagility of the war has been further undermined because the original reasoning which linked Saddam with al-Qaida has proven to be false making the so-called pre-emptive logic for invasion, which in itself may not be illegal, fall to pieces especially since it has become clear since the overthrow of the Baathist regime that Iraq possessed no weapons of mass destruction. Under these circumstances it is possible that Uncle Sam may have violated its contractual and fiduciary obligations towards those who volunteered to serve which is why they should have their day in court.
As for deserters in general I have no problem with them coming to this country especially if they are conscientious objectors ,so long as they obey the laws and pay taxes etc... like any other immigrant.
Though I would tend to agree I do believe that it all depends on the situation. Since the legality of the Iraq war has come into question under international jursprudence I think that they should have their day in Court (the deserters). The leagility of the war has been further undermined because the original reasoning which linked Saddam with al-Qaida has proven to be false making the so-called pre-emptive logic for invasion, which in itself may not be illegal, fall to pieces especially since it has become clear since the overthrow of the Baathist regime that Iraq possessed no weapons of mass destruction. Under these circumstances it is possible that Uncle Sam may have violated its contractual and fiduciary obligations towards those who volunteered to serve which is why they should have their day in court.
As for deserters in general I have no problem with them coming to this country especially if they are conscientious objectors ,so long as they obey the laws and pay taxes etc... like any other immigrant.
zoofer said:
Zoofer, you are setting up straw men only to knock them down.
Going AWOL and asking France or Syria for asylum is just painting an extreme that nobody painted for themselves. Now you are just making up stuff to validate your position and placing things into a different context that your opponents weren’t making for themselves.
Tell me, you didn’t buy into the French scapegoat for all of the problems with the Iraq War? The French do know about sacrifice when it comes to war. They lost millions of people in World War I. The US Department of Defense lists the number at 6,160,800 casualties.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004617.html
The United States or Canada has never experienced those number lost in a single war. Maybe if the US did, they would see war a little differently.
elevennevele said:
Eleven - check the figures from the link you provided. You write They lost millions of people.......
Total France Deaths WWI: 1,357,800
Total France Casualties WW1: 6,160,800
You listed the casualty numbers as total deaths. My we take it from your rationale - if the U.S. military would die more often they might learn their lesson? How quaint!
Perhaps you inform their government as the U.S. military men and women do not make the wars. They sacrifice fighting them.
They were tricked? The conditions were worse than they expected?
Boo Hoo Hoo.
They signed up. They volunteered. The military is not a democracy and you do what you are told. You go where you are told and you fight when you are told to fight. You do not get to debate. When you joing the military you waive ALL of those rights. When you sign up there is a form that says exactly that.
These men are deserters and cowards. They turned their back on their fellow soldiers and their obligations.
Boo Hoo Hoo.
They signed up. They volunteered. The military is not a democracy and you do what you are told. You go where you are told and you fight when you are told to fight. You do not get to debate. When you joing the military you waive ALL of those rights. When you sign up there is a form that says exactly that.
These men are deserters and cowards. They turned their back on their fellow soldiers and their obligations.
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I find this a little funny since it was British Troops that were caught recently on camera beating the living tar out of Iraqi kids who were caught throwing rocks. I am you all have seen it.
Was he OK with that?
Is that how the British win hearts and minds?
elevennevele said:
I find this a little funny since it was British Troops that were caught recently on camera beating the living tar out of Iraqi kids who were caught throwing rocks. I am you all have seen it.
Was he OK with that?
Is that how the British win hearts and minds?
Personally I think if an individual doesn't want to comply with his terms of service fine but they must pay back every red cent that the government paid out in educating said person or these individuals can forfeit their educational degrees they'd be rendered null-and void. Then give the individual a Dishonorable Discharge. Would any soldier/sailer/airman want someone that afraid watching your back in a war zone. I wouldn't want them any where near me.
I think you can join as an unwilling combatant (I forget the exact term), but I don't know if that will excuse you from combat.
So the Brits were beating up Iraqi kids for throwing rocks at them! They were lucky..the Brits shot and killed young Irish lads for doing the same thing. The interval between the two conflicts have taught the Brits some compassion after all.
When an American joins the army they should at least read a short history of the American military activities of the last decade before joining up.
Ok, they have relaxed the enlistment standards and are taking in substandard recruits for the Army. Perhaps they can't read, write or understand English..but no one is so stupid that they don't know what a soldier does. Even the Grade 3 dropouts allowed to join up!
Ship them back to the US in chains, they belong in Leavenworth. When you join the army, you are made aware of the risks. Soldiers don't pick and choose the wars they fight, it's that simple.
EagleSmack said:
You better hope they don't EagleSmack, that would make us like you,
do you want to have to deal with a little america on your border, born in your image hahahahahehehehahaha that would be funny, do it the american way ,how does that go now, oh ya a big military that can do the job and look after our interests properly, at any cost.
Tell me about the DU EagleSmack ,it's really good projectiles, good for tanks, and good for hardened sights but it's much bad for people,
hey aren't you a soldier that's a people EagleSmack, good for tanks no good for people.
darkbeaver said:
Why are you asking EagleSmack about DU? Canada is the main supplier of DU to the US, you should know all about it.
Re: RE: American Deserters
A lot of guys get excused from combat the hard way, mostly they are unwilling I guess, unless they are willing to die for thier country,but thats suicide isn't it, I thought that was a sin.
Said1 said:
A lot of guys get excused from combat the hard way, mostly they are unwilling I guess, unless they are willing to die for thier country,but thats suicide isn't it, I thought that was a sin.
I think not said:
Tell us about DU ITN, are we guilty of war crimes too, hahahaha
why would I doubt it.hahahahaha we're capitalist pigs too.