AMERICA: CINDERELLA AND HER UGLY SISTERS

[pastafarian]

unfortunately---bush is not the problem
americas murder-suicide rampage is driven by deeper institutional structures that operate regardless of who is in power

what we are witnessing --is the beginning of the decline of a people that COULD have been great---

Cool, cortezzz, cool. you're skating on the edge of poetry with that riff...

True, he's not the problem, but he's one ugly-ass symptom like a pustule on your nether regions...

You picked up on the Anrachy in the UK avatar, good on ya...

fuzzylogix: ain't no "dumb blonde" gonna cut to the heart of the problem by talking about Bretton Woods... :thumbleft: . You're one to keep an eye on.

 

[Said1]

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Yeah, this is a ridiculous cat fight, Said1. You are obviously a well read intellectual, and I appreciate your posts. I suspect your studies have been in the political fields. This is not my area of study, but as you can see, I do have a sincere interest in world history and events.

However if you really want to get competitive, Ill start listing all my art books, and youll really lose out there.....(smile) Let alone my PEOPLE magazines.

I sense that you are a bit of a leftie yourself, so lets work together!

I have no real problem with you and to be honest, I'm usually too lazy to post links half the time myself. I'm not a stickler for exact facts, it's just that after awhile you get to know what people think and why after reading dozens of their posts. Soon, you too will post a rolleyes smilie instead of a long, well thought out post. It's just easier sometimes, since we've read dozens of your posts we will know where you stand on that particular issue anyway. :wink:


I'm not a lefty, I'm a realist, with ever so slight institutionalist leanings because that is what shapes future policy - depending on how high the situational interests tend to be, between any given states. In the end, the international realm really is in a state of anarchy - survival of the fittest and all that jazz.

As for political leanings, honestly, most people are liberals in that they support individual freedoms, liberty under the law, states rule through the consent of the people, responsible free speech, some third generation human rights such as limited social safety networks etc, etc. Except for those freaky Evangelicals.

 

[Said1]

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Said1s O/K most of the time, she's giving us the eye these days.

That's only because you've presented almost zero challenge lately. As I said, you've lost your edge. Meaning, I think your OK too. :lol:


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Thanks for the link, dull but O/K ,well maybe it's time for a honing, a cheap piece of steel like me needs to be put to stone often. Make us an offering so that we may test our blade.

Hhhmmmm. Ok. I assert that one of the key elements of successful liberal democracy is freer markets. So there. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Free market is oxymoronic, do you mean free capital?
Nothing is free in the market and you can't get something cheaper than free.
Free capital runs wild and eats indiscriminantly, everything.
That was a short smoke with no buzz.

Freer movement of capital etc with minimal government interference, not free from cost as in free stuff. Freer capitalistic markets support democracy. Vrai or Feux?

 

[Said1]

Double post.

 

[darkbeaver]

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The Magnificent Cortez has pretty much covered the problem with his contrbution, the containment of China is an unsurmountable problem for Uncle Sam what with everything turning to shit everywhere else,the system in the States can't be fixed, to many internal problems.Nothing left really but the military, and that's doubleplus bad. Say raadiiaation. Nukelar radiation. zoom fizz kaboom!

 

[Said1]

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The Magnificent Cortez has pretty much covered the problem with his contrbution, the containment of China is an unsurmountable problem for Uncle Sam what with everything turning to shit everywhere else,the system in the States can't be fixed, to many internal problems.Nothing left really but the military, and that's doubleplus bad. Say raadiiaation. Nukelar radiation. zoom fizz kaboom!

Probably one of the most interesting scenarios to develop after WWI, the race to save the Asian colonies.

 

[darkbeaver]

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Said1s O/K most of the time, she's giving us the eye these days.

That's only because you've presented almost zero challenge lately. As I said, you've lost your edge. Meaning, I think your OK too. :lol:


Here's a good site for uploading pics [url]www.photobucket.com[/url]

Thanks for the link, dull but O/K ,well maybe it's time for a honing, a cheap piece of steel like me needs to be put to stone often. Make us an offering so that we may test our blade.

Hhhmmmm. Ok. I assert that one of the key elements of successful liberal democracy is freer markets. So there. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Free market is oxymoronic, do you mean free capital?
Nothing is free in the market and you can't get something cheaper than free.
Free capital runs wild and eats indiscriminantly, everything.
That was a short smoke with no buzz.

Freer movement of capital etc with minimal government interference, not free from cost as in free stuff. Freer capitalistic markets support democracy. Vrai or Feux?

Minimal government regulation has got us in the shit we now enjoy,how far do you want to go.
Capitalism does not promote democracy, capital promotes capital nothing else.
Regulation of capital is absolutly essential to curb abuse, that's why capital fought so hard and long to remove it, capital thrives best in the absence of democracy. Karl had it all worked out a long time ago.

 

[Said1]

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Minimal government regulation has got us in the shit we now enjoy,how far do you want to go.
Capitalism does not promote democracy, capital promotes capital nothing else.
Regulation of capital is absolutly essential to curb abuse, that's why capital fought so hard and long to remove it, capital thrives best in the absence of democracy. Karl had it all worked out a long time ago.

So that's a no? :lol:

And I disagree, but I did not say free, I said freer, government intervention is needed to prevent abuse and I think manipulation of fiscal and monetary policy is necessary, at times.

How does capital thrive best in the absence of liberal democracy? The absence of liberal democracy usually equates totaliltarianism in various forms. If you want to ensure equality of condition, this can still be done without state control of everything producing profits.

But I don't want to go far with this, as I know what you think. I was jsut pulling your chain for the most part.

 

[darkbeaver]

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I like having my chain pulled.
Here's another goody for you,competition sucks cooperation rules.

 

[jimmoyer]

Said1, you got the smarts.

They don't know you yet.

Not that I do either, but, you got the smarts and really
enjoyed your posts and responses in this thread.

 

[I think not]

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I like having my chain pulled.
Here's another goody for you,competition sucks cooperation rules.

Like the Liquor Control Boards?

 

[darkbeaver]

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I like having my chain pulled.
Here's another goody for you,competition sucks cooperation rules. Totalitarianism and capitalism are twins, I never have ever advocated the extermination of democracy, and as much as you'd disagree there are no real democracys in our western world, there is rule by capital but that's not about people is it.

 

[Said1]

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I like having my chain pulled.
Here's another goody for you,competition sucks cooperation rules.

For the most part they do, we see it all the time, on smaller scales in things like strip malls and super stores. The real competition takes place between corporations. Successful local compeition does exist, nationals and multi-nationals haven't absorbed all corners of the economy.

 

[jimmoyer]

Darkbeaver, if you want to be balanced in being well
read, include some Ann Ryand with your Chomsky.

Human endeavor includes both competition and
cooperation, and neither gains the kind of primacy
that describes rightist and leftist fairy tales.

 

[Said1]

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I like having my chain pulled.
Here's another goody for you,competition sucks cooperation rules.

Like the Liquor Control Boards?

There is a LCBO super store, but it's not the same as a real super store.

You can buy wine at some grocery stores, but I don't like wine, I like Rye and beer. Double.

Stupid LCBO!

And thanks Jim.

 

[darkbeaver]

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I like having my chain pulled.
Here's another goody for you,competition sucks cooperation rules.

Like the Liquor Control Boards?

Like what, about the liquor control boards? I have to retire to my spot behind the stove, don't stay up to late ITN.
PS; The Japanese in Antarctica have completed there drilling right down to bedrock and have determined that the present levels of co2
are the highest in 625000 years, maybe we should get behind Koyoto if we want to live. You should have a look at that tonight, I didn't but I will tomorrow. sweetdreams

 

[darkbeaver]

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Darkbeaver, if you want to be balanced in being well
read, include some Ann Ryand with your Chomsky.

Human endeavor includes both competition and
cooperation, and neither gains the kind of primacy
that describes rightist and leftist fairy tales.

You're dead wrong about that JimMoyer cooperation wins everytime,
maybe we can explore that tomorrow.

 

[jimmoyer]

LOL, darkbeaver !!

 

[jimmoyer]

unfortunately---bush is not the problem
americas murder-suicide rampage is driven by deeper institutional structures that operate regardless of who is in power

what we are witnessing --is the beginning of the decline of a people that COULD have been great---
the imperial overreach
the lost of industrial capacity
the reckless wastefull spending on uselesss wars
debt--big time debt
the amnesia
the denial
the slow erosion of civil liberties
the inability to achieve--military objectives
ie-- their westward expansion stopped by china-during the korean war
and by vietnam
the inability to contain emerging powers
internal centripedal racial-ethnic conflicts
cultural nihilism

its nothing personal
its happened before
many times
each--- empire ----has a finite lifespan

criticism of america--- cant just be based on
resentiment
for much of the criticism
maybe even most of it
comes from within the nation itself

in a sense these heated exchanges
the left vs the right
on these forums
in the media
etc
are a symptom of deep internal divisions
in our society
and in a sense also a symptom of decline
not a healhy dialogue or discussion
it just marks out -- what side we would be on if ---civil war were to break out

-----------------------------cortezzzz----------------

Actually, cortezzz, that's not a bad post.

Good thoughts.