America at War
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Ocean Breeze said:
No :lol: , but this attorney is an honest guy, have known him for a while, he's good people. Change the topic please, do I have to relive election night? The sky is falling!
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HA! Yankees baby. You and your dam curse. Pft. In another 80 years you may win again
EagleSmack said:I think not said:EagleSmack said:I think not said:EagleSmack said:
Thats too long of a conversation on a forum, I gather your from Mass, Eaglesmack? I often go to Cape Cod for fishing, maybe we have a beer one day and talk about it
I am from Mass and the Cape is about 30 mins from my house to the Bourne Bridge. However on a Friday afternoon in the summer add 2 hours.
2 hours? Piece of cake, try 7 hours on I-95 from New Yawk.
Gaaaaaaaa....
Please tell me you're a Mets fan!
HA! Yankees baby. You and your dam curse. Pft. In another 80 years you may win again
That curse is loooooooong gone now.
I actually think it has attached itself to your beloved Yankees. I bet George is ripping out what little remains of his hair. Even his speech could not stop his team's slide. The one where he said something like...
"You are the highest paid players in baseball... Now start winning"
Boston fans have been very spoiled the last few years. Three Super Bowls and one World Series Championship.
We can change the topic to "How bad the Yankees are" if you wish. :wink:
I actually think it has attached itself to your beloved Yankees. I bet George is ripping out what little remains of his hair. Even his speech could not stop his team's slide. The one where he said something like...
"You are the highest paid players in baseball... Now start winning"
Boston fans have been very spoiled the last few years. Three Super Bowls and one World Series Championship.
We can change the topic to "How bad the Yankees are" if you wish. :wink:
EagleSmack said:
*grumblemumblegrumble*
A father and son are outside Fenway Park, and the young son is asking his father to buy him a "Yankees Suck" T-shirt. The father hesitates, but finally tells his son, "You can have the shirt if you promise never to say that word."
"That's right," says the T-shirt vendor, wanting to make the sale. "'Suck' isn't a very nice word."
"No," replies the father. "I meant the word 'Yankees'."
I must have heard that one 30 times already.
We'll see how well you guys do this year
3 games behind first last time I checked.
I think the Orioles may be tough to beat. They came out of nowhere and they aren't giving up the top spot that easy.
I think the Orioles may be tough to beat. They came out of nowhere and they aren't giving up the top spot that easy.
I don't know if I've asked this question on this forum, but this is directed to our brethren to the south:
What, if anything, did you think of the situation with young Jeremy Hinzman. I know it's been out of the news for awhile, but what did you think of his seeking political asylum in Canada?
Looks like Amnesty may have taken up the Hinzman cause
What, if anything, did you think of the situation with young Jeremy Hinzman. I know it's been out of the news for awhile, but what did you think of his seeking political asylum in Canada?
Looks like Amnesty may have taken up the Hinzman cause
hey guys......be good sports and find a sports channel on here to discuss the sports.....K??? Nice diversion.....but would like to see more on the topic itself..
thanks
thanks
Vanni Fucci said:Ummm...and excuse me for interrupting your baseball banter...
Sorry Vanni, we should of stayed on topic.
I think not said:Vanni Fucci said:Ummm...and excuse me for interrupting your baseball banter...
Sorry Vanni, we should of stayed on topic.
OK... OK...
No worries... 8)
I think I'll go for a smoke, as to give you time to answer my question... :lol:
I think I'll go for a smoke, as to give you time to answer my question... :lol:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Kenne...mo_Twisted_intelligence_Distorted_f_0607.html
twisted "intelligence "....etc.
Ok......we KNOW that much. So what is going to be done about it???
(anyone with a reasonable and sane mind cannot refute what Kennedy is saying )
America cannot just pack up and leave Iraq. That would only compound the first mistake. Maybe America should make clear what it's intentions are in Iraq. Maybe the military should adapt into less invasive, aggressive roles and more into peace keeping.....so the situation can be stabilized now.
Most important : the bush regime might consider telling the damned TRUTH for once. (or is it too late??)
(equally important is a target date for US pullout....a clearly defined one, with actions that indicate they will follow through. Maybe then the IRAQIS would be getting more support from the international community. As long as the US is there....not sure anyone wants to get involved.
thoughts??
twisted "intelligence "....etc.
Ok......we KNOW that much. So what is going to be done about it???
(anyone with a reasonable and sane mind cannot refute what Kennedy is saying )
America cannot just pack up and leave Iraq. That would only compound the first mistake. Maybe America should make clear what it's intentions are in Iraq. Maybe the military should adapt into less invasive, aggressive roles and more into peace keeping.....so the situation can be stabilized now.
Most important : the bush regime might consider telling the damned TRUTH for once. (or is it too late??)
(equally important is a target date for US pullout....a clearly defined one, with actions that indicate they will follow through. Maybe then the IRAQIS would be getting more support from the international community. As long as the US is there....not sure anyone wants to get involved.
thoughts??
Vanni Fucci said:
Well lets look at this from a few persepctives:
1) The military isn't a democracy, it is held together by strict discipline, if it wasn't, there wouldn't be a military
2) When you join the military, you have to consider the fact you will be engaged in warfare. I'm not sure what his position was in the military but I have to assume he was assigned into a fighting unit.
3) His formal application for conscientious objector non-combatant status doesn't seem to comply with US military regulations governing this issue.
4) I have seen people unwilling to pickup any arms period according to their beliefs, such being the case they apply to the military for non-combatant positions before they get in.
5) I'm not familiar with Canadian immigration laws, so I cannot comment on that end.
My personal opinion, he got scared and can't blame him. But he basically destroyed his life by fleeing North.
And I can't see how there is a Human Rights issue, he made his choice and can't live with it is all I see.
Vanni Fucci said:
Well it looks like Jeremy is in BIG TROUBLE. Going UA (Unauthorized Absence) is a serious offense. Deserting is much worse.
When you sign up for the military you also take an oath that states in so many words... you are going to do what you are told. You are a member of the military and if you are being deployed, that is that. Once combat starts in a part of the world and you start feeling your own mortality and say...
"Wait a minute... I am a consietious (sic, I know) objector"
... well the military takes that in suspicion.
Jeremy signed a contract, he did not like the way things were going, he did not get his way so he deserted. Jeremy will get a Dishonorable Discharge which will carry such a stigma where ever he seeks employment. Getting a Dishonorable Discharge stays with you for life and it follows you wherever you go in the US. Every back ground check will show he got one of these. John Walker the American Taliban has a better shot at getting a job. The brig is the least of his worries and I am sure he will do some time there as well.
Amnesty International has little credibility with the US Govt. or the military. They have no say whatsoever in the final decisions in Jeremy's fate. They can make as many declarations as they wish it will not matter. JW is going to the brig and is going to get a Dishonorable Discharge.
Has Canada sent him back over the border yet?
Okay! Okay enough of the sugar around here, I am going into insulin shock 8O
Bwhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Don't day a word to me vanni :twisted:
Bwhahahahahhahahahahhaha
Bwhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Don't day a word to me vanni :twisted:
Bwhahahahahhahahahahhaha
I think his seeking political asylum in Canada was a mistake on his part. I think that some people think that Canada opens it's arms to every deserter and that is far from the truth. I think they accepted draft dodgers but I would think that they frowned on accepting active duty personell who deserted.
I am not sure on if Canada accepted American uniformed personell during the Vietnam War. I would think that they did not.
I am not sure on if Canada accepted American uniformed personell during the Vietnam War. I would think that they did not.
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Not sure about the "uniformed Personell" but we sure got a lot of them trying to admit themselves to the psychiatric hospital where I worked at the time. They were usually discharged after the usual "observation" (24-48 hr) period. What was really interesting is that most tried to admit themselves during the night shift.
( rather sneeky, don't cha think??? ;-)
but overall , things are tighter now.
EagleSmack said:
Not sure about the "uniformed Personell" but we sure got a lot of them trying to admit themselves to the psychiatric hospital where I worked at the time. They were usually discharged after the usual "observation" (24-48 hr) period. What was really interesting is that most tried to admit themselves during the night shift.
( rather sneeky, don't cha think??? ;-)
but overall , things are tighter now.
NELSON, B.C. - B.C. activists plan to erect a bronze sculpture honouring draft dodgers, four decades after Americans opposed to the Vietnam War sought refuge in Canada.
The memorial, created by artists in Nelson, B.C., ties into a two-day celebration planned for July 2006 that pays tribute to as many as 125,000 Americans who fled to Canada between 1964 and 1977.
"This will mark the courageous legacy of Vietnam War resisters and the Canadians who helped them resettle in this country during that tumultuous era," Isaac Romano, the director of the Our Way Home festival told a news conference in Nelson Tuesday.
The event will honour people who came to Canada and resisted war efforts, from burning their draft cards during the Vietnam War to leaving the army to protest the war in Iraq, Romano said.
Musicians – many of who participated in the anti-war movement – will play at the festival, scheduled for July 8-9, 2006. Historians and critics of U.S. foreign policy will speak and a documentary about American war resisters by director Michelle Mason will be screened.
Estimates of the number of Americans who came to Canada because they opposed the Vietnam War range from 50,000 to 125,000.
They sought refuge in Canada between 1964 and 1977 in one of the biggest political exoduses in U.S. history.
The first wave of Vietnam era immigrants, called "draft dodgers," was largely middle class and educated.
Deserters from the army came later, mostly with little education or money.
Many of the war resisters settled in British Columbia, especially in the Gulf Islands, the Sunshine Coast and the West Kootenay, the B.C. Interior region where Nelson is located.
Thousands returned south after President Jimmy Carter granted them amnesty in 1977, but the 1986 census indicated that half stayed in Canada.
The memorial, created by artists in Nelson, B.C., ties into a two-day celebration planned for July 2006 that pays tribute to as many as 125,000 Americans who fled to Canada between 1964 and 1977.
"This will mark the courageous legacy of Vietnam War resisters and the Canadians who helped them resettle in this country during that tumultuous era," Isaac Romano, the director of the Our Way Home festival told a news conference in Nelson Tuesday.
The event will honour people who came to Canada and resisted war efforts, from burning their draft cards during the Vietnam War to leaving the army to protest the war in Iraq, Romano said.
Musicians – many of who participated in the anti-war movement – will play at the festival, scheduled for July 8-9, 2006. Historians and critics of U.S. foreign policy will speak and a documentary about American war resisters by director Michelle Mason will be screened.
Estimates of the number of Americans who came to Canada because they opposed the Vietnam War range from 50,000 to 125,000.
They sought refuge in Canada between 1964 and 1977 in one of the biggest political exoduses in U.S. history.
The first wave of Vietnam era immigrants, called "draft dodgers," was largely middle class and educated.
Deserters from the army came later, mostly with little education or money.
Many of the war resisters settled in British Columbia, especially in the Gulf Islands, the Sunshine Coast and the West Kootenay, the B.C. Interior region where Nelson is located.
Thousands returned south after President Jimmy Carter granted them amnesty in 1977, but the 1986 census indicated that half stayed in Canada.
So I have a question now.
If he has been denied asylum in Canada... when does Canada send him back across the border?
If he has been denied asylum in Canada... when does Canada send him back across the border?