America at War

[EagleSmack]

Eagle I would condem anybody who ran down your soldiers they are the badest mofo's in the world .I admire their training and guts and I tell you Iwould not want to be on the otherside in a shootout those men and women :wink: My Uncle went through US basic training and told me he had one of the best times of his life doing it.Yes he is nuts 8O

Well I thank you for the compliment. I assume your uncle went through Army Basic? US Basic training is a little broad as all the services have their own boot camps. I went to Parris Island (USMC)myself. I did not have the best time, but I was sure proud when I graduated.

 

[EagleSmack]

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[I think not]

Eagle I would condem anybody who ran down your soldiers they are the badest mofo's in the world .I admire their training and guts and I tell you Iwould not want to be on the otherside in a shootout those men and women :wink: My Uncle went through US basic training and told me he had one of the best times of his life doing it.Yes he is nuts 8O

Well I thank you for the compliment. I assume your uncle went through Army Basic? US Basic training is a little broad as all the services have their own boot camps. I went to Parris Island (USMC)myself. I did not have the best time, but I was sure proud when I graduated.

I didn't know you served EagleSmack. Thank you.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0607-03.htm

America leads the way in Military spending.

 

[EagleSmack]

Eagle I would condem anybody who ran down your soldiers they are the badest mofo's in the world .I admire their training and guts and I tell you Iwould not want to be on the otherside in a shootout those men and women :wink: My Uncle went through US basic training and told me he had one of the best times of his life doing it.Yes he is nuts 8O

Well I thank you for the compliment. I assume your uncle went through Army Basic? US Basic training is a little broad as all the services have their own boot camps. I went to Parris Island (USMC)myself. I did not have the best time, but I was sure proud when I graduated.

I didn't know you served EagleSmack. Thank you.

Many years ago and it was my pleasure ITN.

 

[I think not]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0607-03.htm

America leads the way in Military spending.

You're welcome

 

[Ocean Breeze]

"You're welcome"


:????? Who the heck was thanking you???


sheesh. ( does presumption and arrogance have no limit??

Might be a better statistic if the US spent as much on humanitarian assistance around the world. Most nations are not as fortunate or as RICH and have to manage on far less . Might be so much more constructive to assist them to have a better life too.(without invading and killing/maiming a whole lot in the process )

A little compassion, goes a long way.

 

[EagleSmack]

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"You're welcome"


:????? Who the heck was thanking you???


sheesh. ( does presumption and arrogance have no limit??

Might be a better statistic if the US spent as much on humanitarian assistance around the world. Most nations are not as fortunate or as RICH and have to manage on far less . Might be so much more constructive to assist them to have a better life too.(without invading and killing/maiming a whole lot in the process )

A little compassion, goes a long way.

By reading your post you have been very presumptious and arrogant.

The US just agreed to give 375 million to African countries. Not bad for a country who is supposedly broke and in debt.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

The US just agreed to give 375 million to African countries. Not bad for a country who is supposedly broke and in debt.

Yes, that was all over the news. This was encouraged strongly by Blair.

but that is not really the point, is it.??


According to various sources, the US is in serious debt. ( in the trillions now?? ). So where is all this "humanitarian " money coming from???

Mind you , it is a challenge to comprehend the US economy system............;-)

Reality is, if the US is this RICH.....why wouldn't it help the poorer and more desperate nations?? Isn't this what the world community should be all about?? This is not a competition.....or something worthy of bragging rights.

 

[peapod]

Grow up smacking eagle and put your GI Joe away, we are againist the war because we do not want to see people die!!!!!!! that includes american childern, sent by old men, into killing fields.

* group hugs*

 

[peapod]

yes..sorry vanni, I might appear here, but maybe I am not here at all 8O who can say in the twilight zone :lol: I actually was watching humming birds...much more pleasant than reading war.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

we are againist the war because we do not want to see people die!!!!!!! that includes american childern, sent by old men, into killing fields.

Absolutely spot on. :!: We do NOT want to see death, destruction of a nation.... and particularly on an ELECTIVE basis.

War is LAST f***ing resort. Not some pre-emptive spin.....based on lies.

 

[I think not]

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"You're welcome"


:????? Who the heck was thanking you???


sheesh. ( does presumption and arrogance have no limit??

Might be a better statistic if the US spent as much on humanitarian assistance around the world. Most nations are not as fortunate or as RICH and have to manage on far less . Might be so much more constructive to assist them to have a better life too.

A little compassion, goes a long way.

I was wondering how long it would take you to respond. If you're questioning presumption and arrogance I suggest you look within your own country before taking the high road accusing others. Nobody implied the US was perfect, but it has done alot in history. You're not impressed by the military spending? I'm not either, but its an evil necessity, its helped alot in the past and I see no reason why it shouldnt maintain current standards. Would you like another country with 48% of the world share of military spending? The eurpoeans didn't seem to mind when we were spending money on them. We were the jolly good ol USA back then. And by the way 40% of that money is for foreign support. Maybe you should of had stayed in South Korea to keep the North from swallowing it up, or was that too "compassionate" for you? Our benevolent idiots in the White House made an agreement with Egypt and Israel to provide aid so they can stop warring with each other, to date they have received $64 billion and $87 billion respectively.

We're fortunate and rich because we built it on our own and those who came to the US for a better life, if others have to manage on less, I'm sorry for that, but thats not our fault. Nobody stopped anyone 100 years ago from helping themselves crank the economic engine my friend. Its not our fault brilliant scientists and hard working people left their home countries and came to the US, it was their choice.

We spend more money as a people on foreign aid than any other country, get your facts straight. You think we're going to wait for the government? You however rely on your tax dollars, want to make a difference? Put your money where your mouth is and get off your high horse.

And by the way, a little common sense goes a long way as much as compassion does.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

ITN: tsk tsk. getting a little defensive, are "we"???

What the US does SPEAKS for itself. BOTH the good and the ugly.

Seems the US is so busy comparing itself to everyone.....to make sure it is ahead, that it has lost site of the simple fact of "mutual respect". Each nation is different, unique and this is what makes the world so interesting. There is still lots in the US to respect. Unfortunately , your current gov't is not one of them.


but hugs to ya anyhow...

 

[EagleSmack]

Grow up smacking eagle and put your GI Joe away, we are againist the war because we do not want to see people die!!!!!!! that includes american childern, sent by old men, into killing fields.

* group hugs*

I put my GI Joes away years ago. A joke I had with my mom was the day she told me to put them away I joined the Marines.

Look, because I disagree with you does not mean I lack maturity. I fought in one of these things myself and it is not fun I assure you. I was in Panama which was pre-internet and was later over shadowed by Desert Storm. I never wore that on my sleeve in the months that I have been on this forum. I will also go further to say that what I went through in Panama is not even close to what these men and women are going through now. They have seen and are seeing much more than what I did.

I do not want to see people die and I keep my eye on the casualty lists as well. I want it to be over someday as well, but not before the Iraqi Govt. is ready to stand on it's own. Now is not the time to cut and run. The biggest mistake we made in Iraq was to dismantle the Iraqi Army and start fresh. That is my opinion. I think with a military infrastructure in place they would have been better able to handle the insurgents.

 

[I think not]

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ITN: tsk tsk. getting a little defensive, are "we"???

A response is not being defensive.

What the US does SPEAKS for itself. BOTH the good and the ugly.

Yes, I agree with you. I'd like to see you post something good the US has done, for a change, or don't you believe it has?

Seems the US is so busy comparing itself to everyone.....to make sure it is ahead, that it has lost site of the simple fact of "mutual respect".

You know, I'm not going to comment on that at all, because I will be labeled anti-Canadian once again. Americans don't waste time comparing themselves with anyone, we only do when we are confronted with it, if you disagree, there is no way I can prove it to you unfortunately.

Each nation is different, unique and this is what makes the world so interesting. There is still lots in the US to respect.

Yes, and I do respect all countires and all people

Unfortunately , your current gov't is not one of them.

If you are referring to the Bush Administration, I agree with you.

but hugs to ya anyhow...

Same to you

 

[Ocean Breeze]

ITN: It is not hard to come up with a long list of things about the US that is respected. The US has done so much real genuine good on this planet.....and because it CAN.....due to the progressive nature of the society

Gosh, am I relieved and glad to know, that it is the bush administration we both condemn..... as it is not the Americans that should be condemned. Reality is *very unfortunately) that by re-selecting him.....it kinda spoke of the American population. just the way it works .

One simply has to differentiate between the insane gov't, the population, the real positives of the US along with the negatives. Things get off balance too quickly.

Ya see, it is Bush and the Iraq invasion that has turned things so sour for the US. One bad move can erase a lot of previous good. But I have faith in the American people to eventually do what is the honorable thing, and if my faith is illfounded, that too will speak for itself.

 

[I think not]

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ITN: It is not hard to come up with a long list of things about the US that is respected. The US has done so much real genuine good on this planet.....and because it CAN.....due to the progressive nature of the society

Gosh, am I relieved and glad to know, that it is the bush administration we both condemn..... as it is not the Americans that should be condemned. Reality is *very unfortunately) that by re-selecting him.....it kinda spoke of the American population. just the way it works .

One simply has to differentiate between the insane gov't, the population, the real positives of the US along with the negatives. Things get off balance too quickly.

Ya see, it is Bush and the Iraq invasion that has turned things so sour for the US. One bad move can erase a lot of previous good. But I have faith in the American people to eventually do what is the honorable thing, and if my faith is illfounded, that too will speak for itself.

I hear you Ocean, but I have to give you my opinion to be clear. I didn't vote for the bastard, I find him to be dangerous. However, leaving Iraq now, is worse than invading it. We cannot and should not leave, until the mess created is fixed, at whatever cost and time it takes. Thats our burden.

One thing I want to say to you, you will find a great many Americans can oppose the war but support the troops and sometimes it is misinterpreted as being war mongers. Who the hell wants to send their sons and daughters to be killed half way around the world? Not me, not Americans, not any people of any country.

Now, Canada didn't participate in the war. You may have heard many of my countrymen fling cheap shots for this. I for one was glad Canada didn't, hurt, but glad, and I say hurt, because many Americans regard Canadians to be a brother nation. When you hear some Americans say Canada is an extension of the US, it is perceived by some to mean, we "own" you. Some mean it that way, lets face it, idiocy transcends borders, but most see Canadians as a brother nation.

Back to the issue, I think Saddam Hussein was a threat, not for WMD's, now, but someday. Bush boy screwed up, he didn't allow more time and didn't handle diplomacy the way he should have, some will say he had guts and resolve, bullshit, he's arrogant in my opinion and has no sense of war, how people suffer in war. I dont pretend to understand, but I served in the army and have a pretty good idea. My opinion is he should be impeached, the problem with that is Cheney is no better.

One good thing Bush has done, he's forced people to alienate themselves from extreme right or left and have fallen more center lately. Once the Bush era is gone, we need to rebuild and think carefully what we have lost and what we have gained.

And one last comment, the world isn't black and white and their isn't one big evil force manipulating everyone and everything.

 

[EagleSmack]

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ITN: It is not hard to come up with a long list of things about the US that is respected. The US has done so much real genuine good on this planet.....and because it CAN.....due to the progressive nature of the society

Gosh, am I relieved and glad to know, that it is the bush administration we both condemn..... as it is not the Americans that should be condemned. Reality is *very unfortunately) that by re-selecting him.....it kinda spoke of the American population. just the way it works .

One simply has to differentiate between the insane gov't, the population, the real positives of the US along with the negatives. Things get off balance too quickly.

Ya see, it is Bush and the Iraq invasion that has turned things so sour for the US. One bad move can erase a lot of previous good. But I have faith in the American people to eventually do what is the honorable thing, and if my faith is illfounded, that too will speak for itself.

If the Democrats had used their brains and put up a decent candidate the results may have been different. However they choose another Liberal from my home state who knew more than the rest of the country. Putting Kerry up against Bush was basically giving the administration a second term. Election after election I see the Dems turning their nose up at middle America, the red states. The average American people do not like being dictated to by elite Hollywood types and elitist Liberals. Clinton has been the only person to bridge that gap and he was the best politician the Dems had in a long time. They are going to need a guy like Clinton to win back the Presidency.

I think a great documentary was about Air America and how it started out through the last presidential election. It showed their attitude on how they viewed America and how, in their words, all Bush supporters are stupid red necks. Their is nothing better for Republicans to see the Democrats self distruct and upset the people that they need to get elected.

A perfect quote from that movie was when on election night when it was going very sour for Kerry. An Air America employee steps out of the building and says in frustration

"Do I live in a Democratic fish bowl!? The whole country is f*ing red!"

The answer is yes.

Until the Democrats can wrest control of their party from these people the country will continue to be red.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

ITN: Excellent post. I see no problem with supporting the troops , and not supporting the war. Nothing complicated about that one. The troops are merely doing what they have been ordered to do. It is those that ordered this, that ( (Personally) hold accountable.

re: brother nation. indeed. Family . and just like any family, there are squabbles. and differences. The idea is to acknowledge that, and maintain the fabric of the relationship. US and CA are in an enviable position , due to our similiarities in culture, out youth, (compared to ....those across the Atlantic ) and many other things.

IF I may......please don't be hurt that CA did not support this Iraq situation. Just respect the fact that we are independant and are able to make up our own minds about things. Family does not imply blind obedience , or unthinking following . If a family member , was jumping off a cliff.....would another jump too ??? Nope.

Let's not forget how hurtful your ambassador was to CA , how belligerantly offensive and threatening?? That was so un nec. and appeared to be nothing more than childish , sour grapes. (can't have my way , so I will sulk and badger you). Sheesh. Collectively, we have feelings too.......but don't go off half cocked when something like this happens. Keep in mind too, that the US(G) is still jerking CA around re: the beef issue. But then , we have come to expect this kind of immature behavior. We will manage. and hopefully be the wiser for it. If this was the other way around.....can you imagine how bullistic the US would get??? That is what makes the two countries so different... and this is also nec in a "family" ....;-)