Ambulances are hit by Israeli forces
- Thread starter leb
- Start date
RE: Ambulances are hit by
Yes, i'm sure that the IDF went out of their way to blow up an ambulance of no strategic value with a multi-thousand dollar missile. :roll:
Now on to more intelligent things:
Machjo:
In my opinion, yes the coalition has more than enough manpower in Afghanistan. I would like to see Canada with more there, however that just isn't possible. We out-number the militants by quite a margin (the coalition that is).
Yes, i'm sure that the IDF went out of their way to blow up an ambulance of no strategic value with a multi-thousand dollar missile. :roll:
Now on to more intelligent things:
Machjo:
In my opinion, yes the coalition has more than enough manpower in Afghanistan. I would like to see Canada with more there, however that just isn't possible. We out-number the militants by quite a margin (the coalition that is).
RE: Ambulances are hit by
Hezbollah hides weapons under hospitals.
They probably transport weapons in ambulances.
Hezbollah hides weapons under hospitals.
They probably transport weapons in ambulances.
This isn't news. Its business as usual.
All Israel or the US has to say is that they are attacking militants and they can pretty much get away with anything.
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/060826/w082656.html
http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/384
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/85...4ccbf53bdd5af4e085256f9a0051d885!OpenDocument
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1358173,00.html
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=6504
All Israel or the US has to say is that they are attacking militants and they can pretty much get away with anything.
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/060826/w082656.html
http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/384
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/85...4ccbf53bdd5af4e085256f9a0051d885!OpenDocument
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1358173,00.html
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=6504
Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by Israeli forces
You missed these:
http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/English/e2004/e200408/p51.htm
http://supertart.com/priceofteainchina/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_of_tea_in_China
earth_as_one said:
You missed these:
http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/English/e2004/e200408/p51.htm
http://supertart.com/priceofteainchina/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_of_tea_in_China
Re: RE: Ambulances are hit by Israeli forces
BTW since when did we start grouping people of differenct nationalities under the same religious flag? You aren't getting fooled by all the media propoganda about "Islamic fascists" are you?
The Big Lie about "Islamic Fascism"
Full article: http://www.ericmargolis.com/
People around the world aren't much different that you or I. They have the same goals and dreams as we do.
Let's all remember that!
Yea those Terrorist were trained by the US. Oops can't find the link now.thomaska said:
BTW since when did we start grouping people of differenct nationalities under the same religious flag? You aren't getting fooled by all the media propoganda about "Islamic fascists" are you?
The Big Lie about "Islamic Fascism"
Full article: http://www.ericmargolis.com/
People around the world aren't much different that you or I. They have the same goals and dreams as we do.
Let's all remember that!
David Frum, National Post
Published: Saturday, August 26, 2006
Perhaps you saw the images in your newspaper or on television:
"A Lebanese man counts U.S dollar bills received from Hizbollah members in a school in Bourj el-Barajneh, a southern suburb of Beirut, August 19, 2006. Hizbollah handed out bundles of cash on Friday to people whose homes were wrecked by Israeli bombing, consolidating the Iranian-backed group's support among Lebanon's Shiites and embarrassing the Beirut government. REUTERS/Eric Gaillard (LEBANON)"
This scene and dozens more like it flashed around the planet. Only one thing was missing -- the thin wire security strip that runs from top to bottom of a genuine US$100 bill. The money Hezbollah was passing was counterfeit, as should have been evident to anybody who studied the photographs with due care.
Care was due because of Hezbollah's history of counterfeiting: In June, 2004, the U.S. Department of the Treasury publicly cited Hezbollah as one of the planet's leading forgers of U.S. currency.
But this knowledge was disregarded by the news organizations who queued up to publicize Hezbollah's pseudo-philanthropy. The passing of counterfeit bills was detected not by the reporters and photographers on the spot, but by bloggers thousands of miles away: SnappedShots.com, MyPetJawa and Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs. These sites magnified photographs and showed them to currency experts and detected irregularity after irregularity in the bills. (Links to all the sites mentioned here can be found at frum.nationalreview.com)
Maybe it's too much to expect journalists to be currency experts. But one does expect them to be able to detect a manipulated photograph, especially a crudely manipulated one. Yet it was again Charles Johnson -- who is a professional musician by the way -- and not a news editor, who caught Reuters distributing faked photographs by its now infamous Lebanese staff photographer, Adnan Hajj.
Hajj used Photoshop software to make fires in Lebanese cities look larger than they were and to transform photos of Israeli signal flares into apparent images of missiles in full flight. For this and other faked pictures, Hajj was fired and Reuters removed almost a thousand of his photographs from its archive.
But the scandal of Lebanese war coverage only begins with Hajj; it does not end there -- nowhere close.
In July, respected news organizations like AP, the BBC, Time Magazine, ITN, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times and thousands of others broadcast the shocking news that Israeli forces had fired missiles at two clearly marked Red Cross ambulances, igniting intense fires that injured their passengers. Accompanying photographs and then later footage taken by somebody described as a "local cameraman" showed a badly damaged ambulance with a hole in the dead centre of the roof.
Yet as the blogger Zombietime.com has demonstrated, the whole story is a crude hoax. Photographs of the ambulances in question show no signs of blast or burn. Nor was there any damage to the floor of the ambulance -- as one would expect if a missile had smashed through the roof. The badly "wounded" and heavily bandaged ambulance driver who appeared in the stories resurfaced in other news footage six days later without so much as a scratch upon him. The hole in the roof was not only perfectly round, but it matched exactly the size and placement of the ambulance's missing siren. The siren must have been removed some time before, because the edge of the hole was corroded by rust.
Although journalists were not allowed to inspect the ambulances themselves -- and had to rely on images supplied by Hezbollah -- and although the ambulance drivers' stories changed and changed again, becoming more dramatic with each retelling, every single Western reporter who covered the story accepted it as unquestioned fact.
So are reporters just gullible? The most troubling of all the blog reports, this posted at EUReferendum.com, strongly suggests a more disturbing explanation.
The authors of the EUReferendum blog painstakingly studied all the available photographic evidence of the damage done by the Israeli bombing of a Hezbollah compound near the village of Qana on July 30. According to many press reports, the Israeli bombs struck a three-storey building, trapping civilians and childrens in the rubble. The toll was estimated at some 60 people, later reduced to 28. The photographs and television footage from this sad scene became some of the most famous footage of the whole Lebanon war.
At the EUReferendum site, you can see over many Web pages a compilation of evidence that proves beyond all reasonable doubt that the images from Qana were not merely staged -- but staged with the active knowledge and complicity of the Western journalists on the scene.
Scenes were enacted and re-enacted; dead bodies were carried from point to point and then back again; Hezbollah spokesmen chatted on cellphones when they believed the cameras were turned away from them -- and then erupted in tears and anguish when they believed the cameras had turned on again.
How to account for this massive distortion? Yesterday, Annia Ciezadlo detailed in these pages Hezbollah's attempts to deceive the press. But why is the press so horribly susceptible to manipulation? Anti-Israel ideology plays its part. So too must competitive zeal. Photo-journalists want to win prizes -- and news organizations want scoops: If that means hiring local Hezbollah sympathizers to carry cameras where more objective journalists are forbidden to go, that is a price that news organizations will too often pay.
Finally, let's not underestimate the power of fear: Hezbollah is the terrorist organization that held the AP reporter Terry Anderson hostage in Lebanon for six years. As the stories of Jill Caroll of the Christian Science Monitor, Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig of Fox News, and of course Daniel Pearl remind us, Middle Eastern terrorist groups do not scruple to seize and murder journalists.
Published: Saturday, August 26, 2006
Perhaps you saw the images in your newspaper or on television:
"A Lebanese man counts U.S dollar bills received from Hizbollah members in a school in Bourj el-Barajneh, a southern suburb of Beirut, August 19, 2006. Hizbollah handed out bundles of cash on Friday to people whose homes were wrecked by Israeli bombing, consolidating the Iranian-backed group's support among Lebanon's Shiites and embarrassing the Beirut government. REUTERS/Eric Gaillard (LEBANON)"
This scene and dozens more like it flashed around the planet. Only one thing was missing -- the thin wire security strip that runs from top to bottom of a genuine US$100 bill. The money Hezbollah was passing was counterfeit, as should have been evident to anybody who studied the photographs with due care.
Care was due because of Hezbollah's history of counterfeiting: In June, 2004, the U.S. Department of the Treasury publicly cited Hezbollah as one of the planet's leading forgers of U.S. currency.
But this knowledge was disregarded by the news organizations who queued up to publicize Hezbollah's pseudo-philanthropy. The passing of counterfeit bills was detected not by the reporters and photographers on the spot, but by bloggers thousands of miles away: SnappedShots.com, MyPetJawa and Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs. These sites magnified photographs and showed them to currency experts and detected irregularity after irregularity in the bills. (Links to all the sites mentioned here can be found at frum.nationalreview.com)
Maybe it's too much to expect journalists to be currency experts. But one does expect them to be able to detect a manipulated photograph, especially a crudely manipulated one. Yet it was again Charles Johnson -- who is a professional musician by the way -- and not a news editor, who caught Reuters distributing faked photographs by its now infamous Lebanese staff photographer, Adnan Hajj.
Hajj used Photoshop software to make fires in Lebanese cities look larger than they were and to transform photos of Israeli signal flares into apparent images of missiles in full flight. For this and other faked pictures, Hajj was fired and Reuters removed almost a thousand of his photographs from its archive.
But the scandal of Lebanese war coverage only begins with Hajj; it does not end there -- nowhere close.
In July, respected news organizations like AP, the BBC, Time Magazine, ITN, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times and thousands of others broadcast the shocking news that Israeli forces had fired missiles at two clearly marked Red Cross ambulances, igniting intense fires that injured their passengers. Accompanying photographs and then later footage taken by somebody described as a "local cameraman" showed a badly damaged ambulance with a hole in the dead centre of the roof.
Yet as the blogger Zombietime.com has demonstrated, the whole story is a crude hoax. Photographs of the ambulances in question show no signs of blast or burn. Nor was there any damage to the floor of the ambulance -- as one would expect if a missile had smashed through the roof. The badly "wounded" and heavily bandaged ambulance driver who appeared in the stories resurfaced in other news footage six days later without so much as a scratch upon him. The hole in the roof was not only perfectly round, but it matched exactly the size and placement of the ambulance's missing siren. The siren must have been removed some time before, because the edge of the hole was corroded by rust.
Although journalists were not allowed to inspect the ambulances themselves -- and had to rely on images supplied by Hezbollah -- and although the ambulance drivers' stories changed and changed again, becoming more dramatic with each retelling, every single Western reporter who covered the story accepted it as unquestioned fact.
So are reporters just gullible? The most troubling of all the blog reports, this posted at EUReferendum.com, strongly suggests a more disturbing explanation.
The authors of the EUReferendum blog painstakingly studied all the available photographic evidence of the damage done by the Israeli bombing of a Hezbollah compound near the village of Qana on July 30. According to many press reports, the Israeli bombs struck a three-storey building, trapping civilians and childrens in the rubble. The toll was estimated at some 60 people, later reduced to 28. The photographs and television footage from this sad scene became some of the most famous footage of the whole Lebanon war.
At the EUReferendum site, you can see over many Web pages a compilation of evidence that proves beyond all reasonable doubt that the images from Qana were not merely staged -- but staged with the active knowledge and complicity of the Western journalists on the scene.
Scenes were enacted and re-enacted; dead bodies were carried from point to point and then back again; Hezbollah spokesmen chatted on cellphones when they believed the cameras were turned away from them -- and then erupted in tears and anguish when they believed the cameras had turned on again.
How to account for this massive distortion? Yesterday, Annia Ciezadlo detailed in these pages Hezbollah's attempts to deceive the press. But why is the press so horribly susceptible to manipulation? Anti-Israel ideology plays its part. So too must competitive zeal. Photo-journalists want to win prizes -- and news organizations want scoops: If that means hiring local Hezbollah sympathizers to carry cameras where more objective journalists are forbidden to go, that is a price that news organizations will too often pay.
Finally, let's not underestimate the power of fear: Hezbollah is the terrorist organization that held the AP reporter Terry Anderson hostage in Lebanon for six years. As the stories of Jill Caroll of the Christian Science Monitor, Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig of Fox News, and of course Daniel Pearl remind us, Middle Eastern terrorist groups do not scruple to seize and murder journalists.
Thanks para-dice. I like your eloquence.
Hezbollah should be ashamed for handing out fake American money to rebuild homes destroyed by real American bombs.
That's why many countries like Cuba switched to American dollars. Counterfeit that!
J, are these pictures fake?
http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/about17408.html
Some of those picture remind me 9/11. Imagine how people in New York would feel if you claimed pictures of what happened that day were fake.
Tell you what, why don't you go to Beruit, and see for youself. While you are there, why don't you share a few of your opinions with the locals.
Hezbollah should be ashamed for handing out fake American money to rebuild homes destroyed by real American bombs.
That's why many countries like Cuba switched to American dollars. Counterfeit that!
J, are these pictures fake?
http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/about17408.html
Some of those picture remind me 9/11. Imagine how people in New York would feel if you claimed pictures of what happened that day were fake.
Tell you what, why don't you go to Beruit, and see for youself. While you are there, why don't you share a few of your opinions with the locals.
An absolutely GREAT piece Jay.
But those that hate Israel and love the Islamist jackals that would devour them will not be one bit discouraged..........
Edited to say:
Remember the great massacre in Jenin?
But those that hate Israel and love the Islamist jackals that would devour them will not be one bit discouraged..........
Edited to say:
Remember the great massacre in Jenin?
Wake up people all side bomb red cross vehicals in a theatre of war.
Its happened during the Second World War, and in every war since.
People have a strange belief that there are rules of war. Let me tell you, they only exist on paper. My father told me, when he was on guard duty and someone came through his section of the line, he shot first and asked who lies there. When prisoners are taken they don't follow all the rules, when bombing they bomb the entire area. All this talk about the civil regard for the enemy is 90% of what makes your grass grow green.
Its happened during the Second World War, and in every war since.
People have a strange belief that there are rules of war. Let me tell you, they only exist on paper. My father told me, when he was on guard duty and someone came through his section of the line, he shot first and asked who lies there. When prisoners are taken they don't follow all the rules, when bombing they bomb the entire area. All this talk about the civil regard for the enemy is 90% of what makes your grass grow green.
damngrumpy said:
That may well be true, but when's the last time anyone faked it? The point here is not that ambulances were blown up (which in and of itself would not be that suprising, since Hezboallah has a headqurters in a hospital), but that it never happened. It was staged.
Jay said:
I have no sympathy for those who use violence to solve problems. I don't care how many Israeli soldiers Hezbollah captures or kills. Israel has every right to target Hezbollah, but targeting Lebanese civilians is a war crime.
The locals I am talking about aren't Hezbollah who make up a very tiny minority of Lebanese. I was refering to the majority of Lebanese who have nothing to do with Hezbollah and were slaughtered by American bombs delivered by Israel's war machine.
That piece J posted is a load of BS. You would have to be pretty gullible to believe that people would have to resort to faking pictures after Israel destroyed tens of billions of dollars of infrastructure and killed more than a thousand innocent civilians.
I'm sure Lebanese are not that different from us or from Israelis. I'm sure that any parent who sorts through the rubble of their home to find their children's body parts cries real tears and its insulting that anyone would be so callous to suggest otherwise.
But if the photos of the death and destruction Israel rained down on the lebanese are fake, then perhaps you explain how these photographs were faked?
Looks sort of like 9/11 to me.
I could post others from the Lebanon Embassy's website, but they are too shocking to impose without adequate warnings:
WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF ISRAEL'S SLAUGHTER OF LEBANESE CIVILIANS:
http://www.lebanonembassyus.org/Photos.html
So if I understand the above comments, you expect people to believe that in the middle of all of this destruction, Lebanese people weren't busy rescuing survivors and hauling out dead bodies, but instead were staging fake photos.
What a load of BS!
Reuters did not alter photographs. One freelance photographer altered some of his photographs so he could sell them for more money.
I think its disgusting that Israeli apologists would attempt to manipulate this incident to deny Israel's war crimes and minimize the suffering of the Lebanese people.
I think its disgusting that Israeli apologists would attempt to manipulate this incident to deny Israel's war crimes and minimize the suffering of the Lebanese people.