Always remembering what a Harper majority means

[JLM]

As far as the Conservatives being a threat to health care I think it could be the opposite if they privatize parts of it and get rid of all the bureaucracy and red tape. I think administration may bear being looked at.

 

[CDNBear]

This forum is a form of Social Media. Social Media loves transparancy.

Then why aren't you transparent about what you meant?

 

[cranky]

As far as the Conservatives being a threat to health care I think it could be the opposite if they privatize parts of it and get rid of all the bureaucracy and red tape. I think administration may bear being looked at.

that makes sense to me. I've always considered conservatives to be a threat to public healthcare, but Conservatives a potential benefit to more effective public healthcare for everyone. Afterall, the Conservatives are the first party to suggest that we ought to create standards and benchmarks to measure wait times,

Sadly, Liberals think Conservatives are a threat to public healthcare. ( CDNBear objects to this statement but wont admit it. transparency means nothing to him, I guess)

 

[gerryh]

that makes sense to me. I've always considered conservatives to be a threat to public healthcare, but Conservatives a potential benefit to more effective public healthcare for everyone. Afterall, the Conservatives are the first party to suggest that we ought to create standards and benchmarks to measure wait times,

Sadly, Liberals think Conservatives are a threat to public healthcare. ( CDNBear objects to this statement but wont admit it. transparency means nothing to him, I guess)

That's not what you had said. Adding twisting to the bob and weave I see.

 

[CDNBear]

CDNBear objects to this statement

I'd be willing to concede, if you can provide a quote to back up your claim.

 

[cranky]

That's not what you had said. Adding twisting to the bob and weave I see.

I know what I wrote and what I meant. The only 'twisting' that I've done is in the form of rephrasing my words in an effort to get through your thick skull.

 

[TenPenny]

I know what I wrote and what I meant.

They're obviously two different things, of course.

 

[cranky]

I'd be willing to concede, if you can provide a quote to back up your claim.

Do you really need a quote from a Liberal candidate suggesting that the Conservatives are a threat to public healthcare? Is that really necessary? I would feel like I'm providing a satelite photo of the earth to prove that the earth is a sphere. ie It is kinda redundant.

 

[CDNBear]

Do you really need a quote from a Liberal candidate suggesting that the Conservatives are a threat to public healthcare? Is that really necessary? I would feel like I'm providing a satelite photo of the earth to prove that the earth is a sphere. ie It is kinda redundant.

Nope, a quote of my expressing an objection.

Since you seem to be capable of asking questions, to ascertain the context of others claims, your dancing around actually reciprocating here, clearly indicates one of two things.

1, You don't actually know what threat the Conservatives pose.
2, You're afraid to have your opinion scrutinized.

Which is it?

 

[gerryh]

I'll take number 1 for 1000 Alex.

 

[CDNBear]

Ya, I was leaning towards a bobbleheaded talking point, parroted, without any actual knowledge of what that threat was.

Hence the Cantucky two step.

 

[cranky]

CDNBear, here is a recent speach. A bread crumb for you, since you haven't been able to find the trail of shiny rocks that the Liberals have been dropping on the trails for years.

"The radical, right-wing attack on Medicare cannot continue. "
December 14, 2010
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]"Defending health care: Public solutions for a public system"
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Speech by Hon. Ujjal Dosanjh, PC, QC, MP for Vancouver South
Official Opposition Health Critic
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Economic Club of Canada
[/FONT][/FONT]Ottawa, Ontario
http://cdn.liberal.ca/files/2010/12/Ujjal-Dosanjh-Health-care-14-12-10.pdf

 

[Cannuck]

wow at first you talk about me not supporting my assertions, but - now that we've established that there were no reasonable objections - you have conveniently shifted to calling it 'a question'

you remind me of card game my friends and I play with new friends, where we change the rules to make sure the new guy has to drink.

I understood your point completely. Mind you, I don't read more into things then there needs to be and I usually take into account the fuul context of a thread. Some people like to take one sentence out of two paragraphs and make an issue with it....pretending that it means something it doesn't. ironically, these are usually the same ones that whine about "quote mining".

 

[gerryh]

golly gee, an election stump speech from a former provincial ndp'r that emphasizes fear mongering more than anything else.

In the next election, Canadians will have a clear choice: whom do you trust?
Do you trust the Conservative Party, whose leader spent most of his career campaigning to destroy the Canada Health Act and privatize our health care system?
Do you trust a Conservative government that wants to spend twenty-one billion dollars on stealth fighter jets with no competitive bid, and six billion dollars on tax breaks for big corporations, instead of helping middle-class families care for sick or aging loved ones?
Or do you trust the party that created Medicare and brought in the Canada Health Act, the party that has defended public health care in government and in opposition, and the only progressive, compassionate, responsible alternative to the Harper Conservatives?

 

[JLM]

I'd be willing to concede, if you can provide a quote to back up your claim.

Sometimes claims are based on a hunch and sometimes hunches are right. :lol:

 

[CDNBear]

CDNBear, here is a recent speach. A bread crumb for you, since you haven't been able to find the trail of shiny rocks that the Liberals have been dropping on the trails for years.

So you can't provide a quote by myself, expressing an objection?

"The radical, right-wing attack on Medicare cannot continue. "
December 14, 2010
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]"Defending health care: Public solutions for a public system"
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Speech by Hon. Ujjal Dosanjh, PC, QC, MP for Vancouver South
Official Opposition Health Critic
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]Economic Club of Canada
[/FONT][/FONT]Ottawa, Ontario
http://cdn.liberal.ca/files/2010/12/Ujjal-Dosanjh-Health-care-14-12-10.pdf

Yes, I've read that, all nine pages. Can you tell me what parts you think are hyperbole, double talk and what parts actually represent real provable Conservative threats to our health care system?

I understood your point completely. Mind you, I don't read more into things then there needs to be and I usually take into account the fuul context of a thread. Some people like to take one sentence out of two paragraphs and make an issue with it....pretending that it means something it doesn't. ironically, these are usually the same ones that whine about "quote mining".

 

[DaSleeper]

One goal post mover met the other I see:lol:

 

[Colpy]

bob and weave..... bob and weave.

one more chance before you are thrown on the pile of trolls.


you have stated that the cons are a threat to Canada's Health care system. Back up that statement with the reasons WHY they are a threat.

Gerry!

Welcome aboard!

(just kidding)

The Liberal and Conservative health care platforms are practically identical.......the furor about health on either side seems to be a ridiculous waste of time.....something like this entire election.

Thanks to the Count.

 

[CDNBear]

...the furor about health on either side seems to be a ridiculous waste of time.....something like this entire election.

I can't wait until this election is over, so we can go back to normal. Playing with the anti Joo folk and conspiracy nutters.

 

[TenPenny]

The Liberal and Conservative health care platforms are practically identical.......the furor about health on either side seems to be a ridiculous waste of time.....something like this entire election.

Thanks to the Count.

Seems to me it was Harper in charge, if he was any sort of leader/politician, he'd have been able to maintain his miraculously talented and wonderful minority government. It's Harper who failed and was forced to call an election.