All schools must allow ‘gay-straight alliances’ under new anti-bullying bill

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As an example, would it make more sense for the government to pass one law against distracted driving, full stop, or:

pass a law against driving and talking on a cell phone one year, then driving and eating lunch another year, then driving and putting make-up another year.

And that's exactly why I was/am against the laws against using cell phones and other electronic devices. We already have laws against driving without due care and attention. Have had them for decades.
 

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And that's exactly why I was/am against the laws against using cell phones and other electronic devices. We already have laws against driving without due care and attention. Have had them for decades.

And if we had no laws against distracted driving, would it make more sense to pass one against distracted driving or one against cell phone use?

This gay-straight alliance law comes across to me as equivalent to one against cell-phone use rather than a well-thought out law designed to avoid having to pass another 100 or 1000 specific laws later, book-fulls of laws that could be compressed into a few.
 

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I was just reading an article on cbc.ca/pei about how the island's garbage collection suddenly stopped going down a private road, because they couldn't turn the trucks around, and ONE OF THE (6) RESIDENTS had complained...so now the residents are complaining that they don't come down the road to pick up the garbage...she is quoted as saying 'It's bullying'...

yeah, that's bullying, for sure.
 

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Okay, so you'll have to explain to me how it is criminal, or bullying. A singular action. Pushing. (not hitting). I'm all ears.

Bullying (3): What is NOT Bullying?

Well, a 7 year old doesn't fully understand "criminal", but does understand "wrong", "criminal" is just at the extreme end of "wrong". Of course their thinking needs fine tuning, but that can't be expected to the full degree for a few more years.

One would think the government would have thought of a law defining the conditions under which a club can be formed, without naming any specific club. That way, it won't have to pass another law for a different club every 5 years.

The ONLY rule/law that should be made regarding "clubs" is that no one outside the club should be adversely affected. PERIOD. Clubs are what they are a congregation of people with similar interests or things in common. For instance there is the "Sons of Norway" club, so in that case there is nothing wrong with banning Greeks. One of the stupidest situations I've heard of was about 20 years ago when some woman barged her way into a men's club in Vancouver demanding that she be allowed access!!!! Talk about a "room temperature I.Q." (the room being an igloo)

Okay, so you'll have to explain to me how it is criminal, or bullying. A singular action. Pushing. (not hitting). I'm all ears.

Bullying (3): What is NOT Bullying?

Actually I covered it in a previous post where I included a word like deliberate or intentional.
 

gerryh

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Actually I covered it in a previous post where I included a word like deliberate or intentional.


Using Karries example of 2 kids in a line pushing each other.... this would be a "one off". It's not bullying. It IS inappropriate and the teacher should be handling it in that way. It should be dealt with as Inappropriate behavior, and NOT call it bullying and threaten to call the cops.

I am sure that pushes ended up being deliberate and intentional (which is a different way of saying the same thing), but I sure as hell wouldn't be calling it bullying. It's kids being kids.:roll:
 

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Well, a 7 year old doesn't fully understand "criminal", but does understand "wrong", "criminal" is just at the extreme end of "wrong". Of course their thinking needs fine tuning, but that can't be expected to the full degree for a few more years.

Actually I covered it in a previous post where I included a word like deliberate or intentional.

Not sure why you quoted it a second time like I'd asked twice.

Anyway, the point is at 7 years old, lashing out because they're bored, tired, etc., isn't necessarily deliberate. It isn't necessarily targeting that kid. Calling every negative behaviour 'bullying' is muddying the issue and making targets of every kid who doesn't behave like a little angel, yet it's what society has started doing.
 

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Apart from the old and ugly participants of Gay Pride Parades. Just how many public purse funded Old/Ugly Pride Parades are there?

May be off the mark here but the TO Gay Pride bring in millions of tourism.
 

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May be off the mark here but the TO Gay Pride bring in millions of tourism.
Not in dispute. Most freak shows are fairly profitable.

I'm waiting to see how the "White Pride" Parade fairs. Haven't heard anything about the Old/Ugly Pride Parade. I wonder if either will receive as much public funding, and example some of the worst of their respective demographic?
 

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Not in dispute. Most freak shows are fairly profitable.

I'm waiting to see how the "White Pride" Parade fairs. Haven't heard anything about the Old/Ugly Pride Parade. I wonder if either will receive as much public funding, and example some of the worst of their respective demographic?

Are they all freaks?
 

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Are they all freaks?
Nope. As SCB's cousin Jr., the quintessential swishy, wedding planner queer, put so eloquently...

"I spend 365 days of the year trying to prove I'm no different then, and just like, everybody else. So these freaks can ruin all my good work, in just one day."

I'm with Jr. on this one.
 

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Nope. As SCB's cousin Jr., the quintessential swishy, wedding planner queer, put so eloquently...

"I spend 365 days of the year trying to prove I'm no different then, and just like, everybody else. So these freaks can ruin all my good work, in just one day."

I'm with Jr. on this one.

Some do push the limits of what we consider to be good taste- Now consider after centuries of oppression- hangings - beating- beaten and tied to a fence to freeze to death- would it not be reasonable that some in the newly gained freedom of self do what we consider to be tasteless?

But then again heterosexuals do the same at strip bars.
 

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Some do push the limits of what we consider to be good taste...
Dude, SCB is a fag hag, I know as many Bears as I do Injins. I have a penchant for bondage and all things kinky.

This isn't about tastes, this is about making a spectacle of yourself and embarrassing yourself and others in your community. Under the guise of Pride.

Now consider after centuries of oppression- hangings - beating- beaten and tied to a fence to freeze to death- would it not be reasonable that some in the newly gained freedom of self do what we consider to be tasteless?
No.

But then again heterosexuals do the same at strip bars.
As an ex bouncer, straight strip bars back in the day, were strict compared to the ladies/gay clubs. I worked the door at the Foxes Den in Brampton for a week. If the guys at the gentlemen's club I worked at regularly, behaved like the gay guys and ladies that frequented that place. I would have had to kick the sh!t out of them.
 

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Dude, SCB is a fag hag, I know as many Bears as I do Injins. I have a penchant for bondage and all things kinky.

This isn't about tastes, this is about making a spectacle of yourself and embarrassing yourself and others in your community. Under the guise of Pride.

No.

As an ex bouncer, straight strip bars back in the day, were strict compared to the ladies/gay clubs. I worked the door at the Foxes Den in Brampton for a week. If the guys at the gentlemen's club I worked at regularly, behaved like the gay guys and ladies that frequented that place. I would have had to kick the sh!t out of them.
You do make excellent points.
 

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You do make excellent points.


He usually does. Which can be a pain in the ass sometimes.:lol: I pretty much ALWAYS have to think when going up against Bear...speaking of which, it's been sometime since I went head to head with him.
 

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I'm sure Emmett Cardinal Carter is wrestling with the devil right now for pressuring Bill Davis to make good on their back-room deal to fully fund the separate school system as his last act of government before stepping down as Ontario premier.

You see, the good Cardinal promised Bill Davis that he could "deliver" him "the Catholic vote" in his initial election if he would agree to funding the separate schools beyond the elementary grades. But I'm guessing that since the provincial conservatives were already holding a majority government before Davis stepped up to the plate, and they won his first election handily with an even greater majority, maybe he wasn't convinced that the Catholic vote had won him his seat or his majority, so understandably, he dragged his feet and kept the issue off the table for 14 years of conservative party reign in Ontario. No doubt, when opportunities presented, being continually reminded by our good ol' boy Cardinal that he still owed him one, such that when Davis finally did decide to call it a career, his last act, to save his soul or perhaps buy Cardinal Carter's, was to grant the separate schools full funding to grade 13.

I'm privy to this story that had never been told because (at the risk of disclosing my identity to an able sleuth) my mother had been in love and engaged to a moneyed yet affable elderly widower named Claude McMurtry. Claude was the owner of the C.A. McMurtry Furniture factory, which older Torontonians will recall dominated the corner of Dupont and Ossington Sts. in Toronto.
I'm sure my mom never intended for me to tell this story, but I think she told it to me as kind of an "fyi" in how it's interesting how deals get made in the recesses off of the halls of power.

I thought about mentioning this when y'all were yammerin' on about Conrad Black, because I looked him up in the wikiworld to see if he was born in Canada (he was, therefor he's a citizen and that idiot Chretien had no right in my view to make him give up his citizenship. He was just being a dick who wanted to lord it over the Lord) - and lo and behold i discover he was friends with our hero Emmett Cardinal Carter, champion of our current separate school funding predicament in their not wanting to play the tune the piper has been paid to play. So I thought to myself, as I used to be a devoted reader of Barbara Amiel when she was a columnist for the Toronto Sun, I'll bet Conrad Black was privy to this story as well and his wife could dig it out of him to fill in all the gaps and tell the story right.

Now Claude had been the devoted husband of Rosamond Denton, who was the daughter of Judge Denton, who was also in this high-powered scotch or cognac sippin good ol' boys club that got together on occasion to chew the fat. He was also the uncle of Davis' Attorney-General Roy McMurtry. This group of friends would have included Davis and the AG, Claude, Judge Denton, Cardinal Carter and there's no doubt in my mind it also would have included (mainly because of the meat) Dominion Stores mogul, Conrad Black (he can correct me if I'm wrong - lol).

So mom tells me that Judge Denton had a penchant for painting and he was quite good. And he convinced the Cardinal to sit still long enough that he could capture His Eminence's unusual features which were rather elongated ear lobes (God knows what someone was doing with that boy's ears when no one was watching!) :?P And so there existed this painting of the Cardinal by Judge Denton which had been left to or otherwise acquired by Claude McMurtry.

Now as I stated my mom and he were planning to marry, but he became too ill and I'm sure would still have married her but appearances being everything, mother didn't like how that might seem to others and didn't fancy the gold-digger label. Regardless, Claude made her his Executor and so the painting and much of his possessions were also left to her; and so she had charged me with the task (with the added bonus of this story - which I was too naive at the time to pay enough attention to the better details she had provided with it - you know, there might have been a football game on, or something! : duh) ... the task of delivering this painting of the Cardinal and his holy lobes - I swear, it looked like a Rembrandt - the guy was good! - to Claude's grandson (I think) who had a flat on Merton St. not far from my mom's place in the Moore Park area, to the north of the Rosedale neighborhood where Claude had lived in the upper flat of his stately duplex at 11 Maclennan Avenue.

So... there you have it, the story of how the devil has the Cardinal by his ears!

:?D