All schools must allow ‘gay-straight alliances’ under new anti-bullying bill

coldstream

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Those effects are a direct result of bigotry and ignorance toward them. Wipe out the 'isolation' by making families and communities understand them, and gay people live lives indiscernible from anyone else.


I don't think so. Homosexuals have been elevated to the highest status in our society... the role of 'victim'.. due special protection.. and celebration.. and fawning attention. That's been in place for at least 2 decades and the devastation in their ranks continue.

You simply can't legislate fulfillment of an innate sense of moral order, personal integrity and spiritual mission which all individuals were born with, and which homosexuality contradicts fundamentally and absolutely.

You can't subject yourself to a carnal, temporal tyranny without consequences. I didn't make the rules.. but they do exist.. no matter how willfully ignorant our culture decides to become of them.
 
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You prove that homosexuality does NOT yet have a vaunted, protected status in society. That there are still large segments of people who shun them, who abuse them, who mistreat them, who are biased against them. And I'm sure you have family, family who have the same statistics as any other family under the sun, thus you've probably gotten at least one, if not more, opportunities to shun your very own blood. THAT is what causes the realities of which you speak. And it obviously hasn't gone away... you're here as proof positive.
 

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So what drives this opinion of yours - Would it be religious based?


Our society has decided that it has risen above the need for 'religion'.. replaced with a 'enlightened' cult of radical individualism and moral relativism which has made 'faith' obsolete.. This while Rome burns around us.. economically, socially, culturally.. and the barbarians are at the gate.. and no one can discern a relationship between the two. :wink:

You prove that homosexuality does NOT yet have a vaunted, protected status in society. That there are still large segments of people who shun them, who abuse them, who mistreat them, who are biased against them. And I'm sure you have family, family who have the same statistics as any other family under the sun, thus you've probably gotten at least one, if not more, opportunities to shun your very own blood. THAT is what causes the realities of which you speak. And it obviously hasn't gone away... you're here as proof positive.

Homosexuals for a long period of time have lived in self protecting ghettos.. those committed to the lifestyle.. which tend to be urban, active and affluent. Most people, myself included... have likely worked with homosexuals.. or dealt with them in some way.. almost always without rancour or even mention.. unless it turns into a demand for affirmation.. or special privilege.. or that we undo critical institutions of our society like marriage.. turning them into absurdities.
 
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Homosexuals for a long period of time have lived in self protecting ghettos.. those committed to the lifestyle.. which tend to be urban, active and affluent. Most people, myself included... have likely worked with homosexuals.. or dealt with them in some way.. almost always without rancour or even mention.. unless it turns into a demand for affirmation.. or special privilege.. or that we undo critical institutions of our society like marriage.. turning them into absurdities.

Undo our critical institutions by allowing more people to take part in them and affirm their worth to society? A demand to take part in society is not a demand for special attention. If anything it is a demand for less special (special in the unwanted sense) attention.

Divorce was the redefinition of marriage that did the most damage to it (and I don't think anybody is going to argue that it was unwarranted). Allowing homosexuals to marry is probably the biggest thing to come along and strengthen marriage since polygamy was defined out of marriage.
 

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Undo our critical institutions by allowing more people to take part in them and affirm their worth to society? A demand to take part in society is not a demand for special attention. If anything it is a demand for less special (special in the unwanted sense) attention.

Divorce was the redefinition of marriage that did the most damage to it (and I don't think anybody is going to argue that it was unwarranted). Allowing homosexuals to marry is probably the biggest thing to come along and strengthen marriage since polygamy was defined out of marriage.

There has in every society in history been provision for dissolving marriage for cause.. and providing for the protection children under the law. What has remained constant in Western Civilization is its definition as the union of one and one women to the exclusion of all others.

The new inchoate definition applied through 'homosexual marriage' has in fact made it impossible to prosecute the polygamists of Bountiful B.C.. or inevitaby Islamic polygamous 'marriages'.. since it has has reduced the purpose of marriage to one of prurient gratification.. of purely personal definition.. not one grounded in the nurturing or protection of children.. or conforming to societal ideals, traditions and faith.

Removing this fundamental cornerstone of social structure will have, in time, a violent effect on society as a whole. It in fact could draw us into a new Dark Age.. where the only rules are ones of dominance, marauding and survival.
 
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coldstream

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Are you saying that the (traditional) purpose of marriage is to nuture and protect children?

If so, should we have been allowing childless marriages?

That remains the primary purpose of marriage.

But obviously all marriages don't produce children, while still conforming to the fundamental definition of 'one man - one woman'. The fact is that the complementary natures of man and woman make marriage an institution that will provide companionship and mutual support in life.. providing there is honest co-operation and regardless of children.

But in all honesty.. all homosexual relationships are grounded in dominance, submission and exploitation of a most primitive and infantile character.. and will never produce anything but misery and violence.. or at best a cynical proximity of two solitudes. And it will never produce children.
 
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That remains the primary purpose of marriage.

But obviously all marriages don't produce children, while still conforming to the fundamental definition of 'one man - one woman'. The fact is that the complementary natures of man and woman make marriage an institution that will provide companionship and mutual support in life.. providing there is honest co-operation and regardless of children.

But in all honesty.. all homosexual relationships are grounded in dominance, submission and exploitation of a most primitive and infantile character.. and will never produce anything but misery and violence.. or at best a cynical proximity of two solitudes. And it will never produce children.

There are exceptions to pretty well every rule, but the way I look at is if two other people want to do something that harms no one but themselves, why get your nose into it?
 

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Obviously the majority of people in Ontario do NOT want to change and abolish the public/separate school system. Yet you make it sound like the majority of people want the change and the polititions are unwilling to do the peoples will.

Er, no. If you reread that post, it's clear that I was sayiong most in Ontario want to maintain the status quo. It was typed clearly enough as far as I could tell.
 

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There are exceptions to pretty well every rule, but the way I look at is if two other people want to do something that harms no one but themselves, why get your nose into it?

None of my posts have called for outlawing homosexuality. It's always been with us, and who really cares what people do in private circumstances.

I object to having homosexuality shoved in my face in grotesque public spectacles. I see no inherent right to display vulgarity to public political acclaim, in the ludicrous claim that it affirms 'human dignity'.

And i assert with confidence of history that we will conform an institution like marriage to vague, relativistic and frankly immoral purposes at great peril to our nation and our civilization.
 

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None of my posts have called for outlawing homosexuality. It's always been with us, and who really cares what people do in private circumstances.

I object to having homosexuality shoved in my face in grotesque public spectacles. I see no inherent right to display vulgarity to public political acclaim, in the ludicrous claim that it affirms 'human dignity'.

And i assert with confidence of history that we will conform an institution like marriage to vague, relativistic and frankly immoral purposes at great peril to our nation and our civilization.

Do not attend the parades-

Do you see this vulgarity by gay students at schools- No

Your post and logic is flawed to say the least.
 

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But in all honesty.. all homosexual relationships are grounded in dominance, submission and exploitation of a most primitive and infantile character.. .


You know this from personal experience?

I object to having homosexuality shoved in my face in grotesque public spectacles.

I have to wonder what you do with your time. I've never had homosexuality shoved in my face.

What kind of places do you go, and what sort of events do you like?

I seriously wonder about you - from your posts, you seem to go to places and events that ensure you are faced with 'homosexuality shoved in your face', while you pretend to dislike it.

I think you do protest too much. You certainly appear to be someone who is absolutely enthralled with homosexuality.
 

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You know this from personal experience?



I have to wonder what you do with your time. I've never had homosexuality shoved in my face.

What kind of places do you go, and what sort of events do you like?

I seriously wonder about you - from your posts, you seem to go to places and events that ensure you are faced with 'homosexuality shoved in your face', while you pretend to dislike it.

I think you do protest too much. You certainly appear to be someone who is absolutely enthralled with homosexuality.

Damm - What a post - I laughed so hard stuff came out of my nose.Damm off to find a kleenex.
 

coldstream

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I have to wonder what you do with your time. I've never had homosexuality shoved in my face.

What kind of places do you go, and what sort of events do you like?

I seriously wonder about you - from your posts, you seem to go to places and events that ensure you are faced with 'homosexuality shoved in your face', while you pretend to dislike it.

I think you do protest too much. You certainly appear to be someone who is absolutely enthralled with homosexuality.

Most people i know get an immediate YUK reaction to watching two men kissing on the mouth.. but in an attempt to desensitize us its almost impossible to avoid in public media now. That is shoving things in your face.. as are grotesque, decadent carnivals like Pride Parades, sending a message of pure moral ambiguity and 'inevitability' to vulnerable young people trying to establish a mature sexual identity. The message supported by our political leadership is GIVE UP, to your basest prurient gratifications and self centredness.. and forget about growing up to adult responsibilities.

And i know from experience that the so called supporters of homosexuality, like yourself, consider the biggest insult they can throw at 'homophobe' is to call him a homosexual.. to which i give a standard response.. if i really was a homosexual.. then i'd be thinking with friends like these.. who needs enemies. It points out how filled with hypocrisy the 'gay rights' lobby is.. and how little they care about the real welfare of people with this affliction. I've heard it all before, and i'm not impressed. :roll:

But i'll agree with you that my participation in these topics (i've never started one).. stems from a conviction that it is at the forefront of disassembling our civilization, and attacking its foundational character, integrity and institutions. Most people have given up on the issue.. but there are looming consequences.. for our generation and those to come.
 
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Most people i know get an immediate YUK reaction to watching two men kissing on the mouth.. but in an attempt to desensitize us its almost impossible to avoid in public media now. That is shoving things in your face.. as is a grotesque, decadent carnivals like Pride Parades, through public streets and sending a message of pure moral ambiguity and 'inevitability' to vulnerable young people trying to establish a mature sexual identity. The message supported by our political leadership is GIVE UP, to you basest gratifications and self centredness.

And i know from experience that the so called supporters of homosexuality, like yourself, consider the biggest insult they can throw at 'homophobe' is to call him a homosexual.. to which i give a standard response.. if i really was a homosexual.. then i'd be thinking with friends like these.. who needs enemies. It points out how filled with hypocrisy the 'gay rights' lobby is.. and how little they care about the real welfare of people with this affliction. I've heard it all before, and i'm not impressed. :roll:

But i'll agree with you that my participation in these topics (i've never started one).. stems from a conviction that it is at the forefront of disassembling our civilization, and attacking its foundational character and integrity. Most people have given up on the issue.. but there are looming consequences.. for our generation and those to come.

Civilization will fall because of homosexuals having human rights. Really- How did you arrive at that conclusion.
 

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I get a YUK reaction to two guys kissing too. As long as one of them isn't me or it isn't in my house, what does it matter? Minding one's own business is tough enough. Controlling someone who doesn't want to be controlled is well nigh unto impossible.