Al Queda suicide bombers dispatched to Canada

[MikeyDB]

“One thing I find about Canadians is that they don't get the dynamic effect of the political system in the US.
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And I think that Canadians or Iraqis or Afghanis or nearly anyone anywhere in the world DO GET the dymaic effect of the U.S. political “system”….

That “dynamic” includes…serious concerns from the people of the United States that their elections have been hijacked….serious consideration of the fact that they’ve been lied to and been involved in a new “war”…coined the “War on Terrorism”, plenty of doubt about the level of honesty and integrity of their elected respresentation and boatloads of evidence indicating that the American people are unable to DO ANYTHING about their condition…

Isn’t that it in a nutshell…?

“Yes there’s an awful lot wrong in America right now…but hey what can “I” do about it….?’

The very same reason the very same rationale the very same “explanation” why Afghanis had Al Qeada training bases and why despite verifiable information that the United States has been manipulated by many different people nations and interests…, there’s nothing that Americans can DO about the performance of their election process, the use and or abuse of their military all over the world…and certainly nothing that can be done about global warming….just like every other nation….

That “democracy” that “freedom” that “Government of the People For the People By the People” is such a vibrant and soaring reality in these United States…now isn’t it!?

What a wonderful model to emulate…..

 

[Unforgiven]

Yeah but you know this has been going on all over the world. Some people feel they're entitled to all of it, and some people feel that all of it should be shared as there is enough for everyone.

Problem is the first group will get up and go take it. The second will say that's wrong but do nothing to change it.

The only one's able and willing to go to war over that concept is the first group.

While the meek may inherit the earth, it will only take one guy to come along, push them down and take it from them.

 

[Karlin]

ya, ok, me too, I stand by my words - illegal = .resource wars

 

[iARTthere4iam]

It's strange that every thread seems to turn into a pro or anti-US rant and arguement.

So, is al Queda going to bomb some target in Canada? That's what I want to know.

What would happen if they did? Which target do you think they would choose? Somewhere in Toronto? Ottawa? What would our response be if that happened? Hopefully Canadians would stay the course in Afghanistan if only until the current mission is fulfilled. I think it would become very uncomfortable for musilms in this country if that happened.

 

[MikeyDB]

Iarttherforeiam

I hear you friend...

It's going to be difficult to divorce Canada from the mess that America has produced. Particularly when we have adolescent thinkers like Stephen Harper at the helm...

Why shouldn't the same fanaticism that regards the willingness of the rest of the world to plunder any nations resources ...using fantastic and completely unsubstantial rationales for militarizing any and every situation...regard Canada as just as much its enemy as anyone else?

We are guilty of hitching our wagon to an economic model that will not tolerate any opposition...a collective greed and absorption into the morass of conspicuous consumption regardless of the consequences...and we have made victims of innocent people.....all over the world.

We have mining operations in Mexico that have devastated the water supply the only source of drinking water for neighboring communities...why? Because Canadians believe they're entitled to cheap nickel.... we have petroleum consortiums out of Edmonton drilling for oil in Sudan East Timor and many other locations around the world...why? Because Canadians believe that keeping the wealthy slavemasters of the petrochemical corporations is more important than a child's life of the future of any nation that isn't Canada....

We have and continue to participate in a conflict...not a war...G. Bush's characterization of the illegal invasion of Iraq and the B-52 pummelling of Afghanistan as a "war on terror" is a myth that has died nearly as quickly as it was coined...but not nearly quickly enough to avoid the consequences...

If we gave the Taliban or Al Queada a few of our CSIS uberminds or perhaps convinced them they should let the RCMP manage their war-chests and supervise their security ...we wouldn't have anything to worry about...

 

[thomaska]

It's strange that every thread seems to turn into a pro or anti-US rant and arguement.

So, is al Queda going to bomb some target in Canada? That's what I want to know.

What would happen if they did? Which target do you think they would choose? Somewhere in Toronto? Ottawa? What would our response be if that happened? Hopefully Canadians would stay the course in Afghanistan if only until the current mission is fulfilled. I think it would become very uncomfortable for musilms in this country if that happened.

Well, won't it be the U.S.'s fault if Canada gets hit? The terrorist apologists see no reason to lay the blame on the perpetrators of things like 9/11 or the bombings in Spain or Britain.

They always look past all the pesky details such as death, blood, guts and violence, and focus on what caused these poor downtrodden souls to commit such violent acts.

Thereby, disproving their own assertions that "those" people are capable of any kind of civilized discourse on the redress of their percieved wrongs.

And anyways, what kind of thread would it be if it didn't have some Anti US stuff in it? No ones wants to read that!

 

[Machjo]

While we could argue whether or not the war in Afghanistan is moral, I think the legal issue is frimly covered. Canada is in fact n Afghanistan on a UN mandate, and that makes Canada's presence legal.

Now does that automatically make it moral? Not necessarily. But I do believe respecting internaitonal law is a necessary part of making our presence there moral. If our presence there is legal, then we're at least showing a respect for the same laws other nations are expected to follow.

As for our presence there being moral or immoral beyond its just being legal, I think we are there for a good cause, to help the Afghan people. Now is it possible that some Canadian politician is hoping to exploit Afghanistan unfairly while in Afghanistan? Possibly. But until that is proven beyond reasonable doubt I see no issue in Canada's being there to help the Afghan people. From what I can see, Canada stands nothing to gain materially from this mission, only making the lives of Afghanis better which is a moral stance in my opinion.

Now if it should ever be found out that Canada has a more cinister plan in Afghanistan, and enough evidence to back it, I'm sure that alone would cause the internaitonal community to want Canada to back out of Afghanistan. So hopefully there is no such secret plan. But as far as I can tell, there is none and Canadians are in Afghanistan with only selfless intentions to serve the Afghani people.

Until the UN revokes our mandate, I think we ought to accept our responsibility in Afghanistan and stay there.

 

[Unforgiven]

It's strange that every thread seems to turn into a pro or anti-US rant and arguement.

So, is al Queda going to bomb some target in Canada? That's what I want to know.

What would happen if they did? Which target do you think they would choose? Somewhere in Toronto? Ottawa? What would our response be if that happened? Hopefully Canadians would stay the course in Afghanistan if only until the current mission is fulfilled. I think it would become very uncomfortable for musilms in this country if that happened.

Well yeah they have said as much. If they do they do. No one knows what target they would choose to go with which add the terror aspect to it. Oh I'm sure were would have a good cry and then ask the inevitable question, "Why?" as though no one knows why someone else would do such a thing. Then probably there would be a lot of talk about getting after these baddies, a smattering of revenge attacks on mostly innocent Muslims a few speeches and a couple of politicians would find some way to gain a few popularty points out of the whole thing.

You know the usual.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

I'm torn btw the die if do something and die if we don't.

BUT!!! what about this.

Canada becomes a true neutral country. We make it ilegal to take sides on any war, our only contribution is healing both sides...We enter conflicts and just pick up the wounded and heal them....

If someoen attacks us and it means going to a place like afghanistan to find them:-? well we don't. We take our lumps, try to rise above it and continue the course of not getting invovled....Doesn't mean we can't take the accused to court , in the Hague or something...




the world is still going to buy our natural resources and do biz with us.
Maybe 50 years down the road we won't be getting hit anymore cause the idiots would be ashamed to do so.

someone has to set the example and what better place than Canada.

 

[Northboy]

I'm torn btw the die if do something and die if we don't.

BUT!!! what about this.

Canada becomes a true neutral country. We make it ilegal to take sides on any war, our only contribution is healing both sides...We enter conflicts and just pick up the wounded and heal them....

If someoen attacks us and it means going to a place like afghanistan to find them:-? well we don't. We take our lumps, try to rise above it and continue the course of not getting invovled....Doesn't mean we can't take the accused to court , in the Hague or something...




the world is still going to buy our natural resources and do biz with us.
Maybe 50 years down the road we won't be getting hit anymore cause the idiots would be ashamed to do so.

someone has to set the example and what better place than Canada.

A Goodwill Prescription...

Good on you for this one!!!

Irresistable weapons:

Clean power produced by indigenous renewable fuel sources

Clean Water wherever we go.

Even the military in Afghanistan say that the strategy of providing clean water through wells and viaducts is winning the hearts and minds of Afghanis..

A neutral country, why not??

 

[mabudon]

Yeah, that actually would be a great idea. If there were any attack on Canada anytime soon, I would hope we get a better investigation than 9-11 got.

Northboy, DocDred- leading by example would be the best way- we've been nodding and giving the "thumbs up" to the destructive western-based foreign policy that has caused the current global mess for too long. We really should actually stand up by ourselves and define clearly the Canada we wish to be part of- personally I would rather all the money spent of them Leopard tanks etc would be going towards stuff that would DIRECTLY BENEFIT citizens of our country. I wish the billions of $ of foreign "aid" we send to China stayed in OUR country. All this "global police" BS is really no good...

Analogy- If I want my house to be secure, what do I do, take control of the whole town by force, or simply put everything I realistically can into making my actual house secure?? It's much easier to manage ones own affairs and let others do the same than it is to try to manage the affairs of everyone simultaneously.

We have a golden opportunity to re-define what it means to be a "good global citizen" and it will be a shame to see it dissipate- Harpers recent concession to the need for consensus is a step in the right direction- so long as we can actually have an open, honest debate which includes ALL factors (ideally in order of relevance/importance to "ordinary Canadians"). "women going to school in Afghanistan" and all that other touchy-feely outright CRAP should be dropped to the bottom of the pile.

Someone commits a crime against our country, they should pay for it, but as it is most folks in Canada are seeing far too few of the benefits we are supposedly guaranteeing with our ridiculous crusades abroad. Fix Canada should be the main mission, we can try to help others , sure, when it's feasible and sensible. NO MORE dubious war-type actions anywheres, period.

What we have in Afghanistan is very similar to us trying to heal a person who broke every bone in their body with a box of multi-billion dollar bandages- we can try all we want, but we're NEVER going to actually accomplish our purported goals

And don't try to pin the "giving in to the terrorists"- this notion is more along the lines of "forget about them, let's get doing some actual good works"

IF Canada "gets hit" the LAST thing I would think right off is (to quote George Dubya) "We at War"

 

[Northboy]

Yeah, that actually would be a great idea. If there were any attack on Canada anytime soon, I would hope we get a better investigation than 9-11 got.

Northboy, DocDred- leading by example would be the best way- we've been nodding and giving the "thumbs up" to the destructive western-based foreign policy that has caused the current global mess for too long. We really should actually stand up by ourselves and define clearly the Canada we wish to be part of- personally I would rather all the money spent of them Leopard tanks etc would be going towards stuff that would DIRECTLY BENEFIT citizens of our country. I wish the billions of $ of foreign "aid" we send to China stayed in OUR country. All this "global police" BS is really no good...

Analogy- If I want my house to be secure, what do I do, take control of the whole town by force, or simply put everything I realistically can into making my actual house secure?? It's much easier to manage ones own affairs and let others do the same than it is to try to manage the affairs of everyone simultaneously.

We have a golden opportunity to re-define what it means to be a "good global citizen" and it will be a shame to see it dissipate- Harpers recent concession to the need for consensus is a step in the right direction- so long as we can actually have an open, honest debate which includes ALL factors (ideally in order of relevance/importance to "ordinary Canadians"). "women going to school in Afghanistan" and all that other touchy-feely outright CRAP should be dropped to the bottom of the pile.

Someone commits a crime against our country, they should pay for it, but as it is most folks in Canada are seeing far too few of the benefits we are supposedly guaranteeing with our ridiculous crusades abroad. Fix Canada should be the main mission, we can try to help others , sure, when it's feasible and sensible. NO MORE dubious war-type actions anywheres, period.

What we have in Afghanistan is very similar to us trying to heal a person who broke every bone in their body with a box of multi-billion dollar bandages- we can try all we want, but we're NEVER going to actually accomplish our purported goals

And don't try to pin the "giving in to the terrorists"- this notion is more along the lines of "forget about them, let's get doing some actual good works"

IF Canada "gets hit" the LAST thing I would think right off is (to quote George Dubya) "We at War"

A great post....

You've hit the nail on the head...We need a clear vision of what it means to be Canadian.

I started a thread on neutrality, and the majority point of view was that this would be essentially shirking our responsibilities...This in itself is the beginning of a consensus, in that as Canadians, we state an obligation to do what's right...The question becomes what is right, in the Canadian perspective, and with our understanding of all of our resources, what's the best way to achieve what we believe..Getting our own house in order, which of course would include a self-determining economy, in my view is the logical first step..Without it, we Canadians can be buffetted around in the circus of world events...

My part is economic renewal with a view to the above...Who would stop us as my activity is straight country common sense...With a little extra thrown in....

This is simply the evolution of a young country to its own national identity, hopefully everyone will have their say...