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TenPenny

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There are some people who seem to view any encroachment on our rights as acceptable, as long as they're little nibbles. And, of course, as long as we let certain groups have an exemption on religious grounds. But for the majority to give up freedom is perfectly acceptable.

Me, I'm tired of it. And some of those religious groups who get a pass due to their rights, are the very groups behind some of Canada's worst aviation terrorism.

Go figure.
 

SirJosephPorter

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There are some people who seem to view any encroachment on our rights as acceptable, as long as they're little nibbles. And, of course, as long as we let certain groups have an exemption on religious grounds. But for the majority to give up freedom is perfectly acceptable.

Me, I'm tired of it. And some of those religious groups who get a pass due to their rights, are the very groups behind some of Canada's worst aviation terrorism.

Go figure.

I don't see anybody getting a pass (or a religious exemption) here, Tenpenny.
 

TenPenny

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I don't see anybody getting a pass (or a religious exemption) here, Tenpenny.

That's because they haven't asked yet. But when they do, you'll be front and centre explaining why it's okay because of some important religious symbol. Because that's what you do, as long as it's not any form of Christianity, that is.
 

Outta here

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I don't see anybody getting a pass (or a religious exemption) here, Tenpenny.

With Political Correctness careening wildly out of control, hijacking all common sense (and our legal system), it's only a matter of time.

... and wouldn't it be ironic if the first case to land in court is filed by an extremist of the same faith as the terrorists that set this gong show in motion?
 
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bobnoorduyn

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I have never bought the slippery slope argument, givepeaceachance. We are all rational, thinking adults, we can figure out when some curtailment of rights has gone too far. I don’t think we have to oppose something just because that may lead to something else, then to something else and before you know it we are down the slippery slope.

If an abridgment of rights is too severe, uncalled for I will oppose it. I am not worried about the slippery slope.

Been a while since you lived in the UK huh? That slippery slope lead to a defacto police state.
 

SirJosephPorter

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With Political Correctness careening wildly out of control, hijacking all common sense (and our legal system), it's only a matter of time.

... and wouldn't it be ironic if the first case to land in court is filed by an extremist of the same faith as the terrorists that set this gong show in motion?


It is not a matter of time. Mainly because in this case the X ray is not compulsory, an alternative is offered (old fashioned search). That is why I don’t think the question of Charter challenge, exemptions etc. does not arise.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Been a while since you lived in the UK huh? That slippery slope lead to a defacto police state.


Surely you jest, bob. It is true in UK they do more surveillance than we do here in North America (they have cameras at many traffic junctions for instance). However, that is because UK (and indeed Europe) has been subject to terrorism much more than USA or Canada. We have had very little terrorism in our countries (9/11 excepted). So we haven’t had to take as severe surveillance measures as they have had in Europe.

But I am sure the British will disagree with you that they live in a police state. Anyway, the Tories seem almost certain to win the next election. Are they going to reverse any of the surveillance measures? I doubt it; there is a consensus in Britain that those measures are necessary.

And make no mistake about it, if we have similar terrorism here (as Britain had terrorist attack on tube trains, or as Spain had the terrorist attack), we will most certainly follow suit and enact similar surveillance measures here. The people will demand them.

Right to safety comes before everything else.
 

Nuggler

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If you don't like it, you still have the option of pat down or frisking, the old way. Personally I wouldn't have a problem going through the X ray machine.


You'd probably like to the the scanner operator, Sir Pendantic.8O


"Woops, I think I saw what could be the point of a knife........or.......something......Garcon.........ask that lady to put her feet farther apart, and we'll run her through again.....oboyoboyoboyoboy.":blob6:

Hot-cha HOt-cha.
 

bobnoorduyn

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Surely you jest, bob. It is true in UK they do more surveillance than we do here in North America (they have cameras at many traffic junctions for instance).

I don't jest, I know too many retired British cops who have moved here who can attest to this because they were part of the system. I don't know who the "they" are you refer to, if it is the UK, well, they have surveillance everywhere. As one fellow said to me, "you, on average, cannot go 400 metres anywhere in the UK without being photographed".

Terrorism is a handy excuse to suspend or eliminate freedoms. Sure surveillance may deter some random crime but doesn't stop terrorism, it only provides evidence in the aftermath, the victims are just as dead. Not only that but he British rendered its populace defenseless, they also outlaw self defense, even in your own home.

As for security, it was the States' lax security measures that allowed 9-11 to happen, and trust me, they were lax and targetted the wrong people. The same is still happening, here and abroad. Extraordinary security measures are merely window dressing and optics. A false sense of security is a dangerous thing, and that security becomes out last line of defense. At least now, in the US and Israel anyway, the last line of defense is armed pilots.

Right to safety comes before everything else.

We have no such right. Believing so is dangerous because the state will put our safety in the hands of the state by eliminating out freedoms in the name of safety, safety they know is impossible to provide.
 

Cannuck

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Anyway, the Tories seem almost certain to win the next election. Are they going to reverse any of the surveillance measures? I doubt it;

Of course they won't. There is very little difference in philosophy between the Labour Party and the Conservatives, the Conservative Party and the Liberals, the Republicans and the Democrats. The difference is only in rhetoric. Some folks (you included) place tremendous significance on rhetoric. The rest are smart enough to see through it.
 

Cannuck

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As for security, it was the States' lax security measures that allowed 9-11 to happen, and trust me, they were lax and targetted the wrong people.

I beg to differ. Ray Charles was a significant threat to the US and they were perfectly right to pull him out of an airport line up and search him. What a whack...er...crack job these fine folks do.
 

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