Add an additional faith to your faith
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Don't stop there. Add faith in the prophet Joseph Smith, then add an additional faith in the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.
You have come late, Omicron.
This idea was said by some other members and they were glad with it. It is the same suggestion by the same suggester (whisperer).
(Even so: not a messenger came to those before [your people, Mohammed], but they said: "A sorcerer, or mad."
Did they recommend that to each other? [No, they didn't] but they were a froward people.
The above is the explanation of the Quran 51: 52-53
كَذَلِكَ مَا أَتَى الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِم مِّن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا قَالُوا سَاحِرٌ أَوْ مَجْنُونٌ. أَتَوَاصَوْابِهِ بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ طَاغُونَ
While as regards to Joseph mormon,he was a deluded one, Satan-controlled: because he invited to the enthusiasmabout Jesus and did not admit the prophethood of Mohammed and the revelation ofthe Quran.
Whereas Mohammed admitted the apostlehood of Jesus and all the apostles of God, and Mohammed believed in the Torah of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus, in addition to his exclusive devotiton to God alone and that he broke up all the idols.
The Ten Commandments In The Quran
Most of these ideas are in the books of Hitchins and Dawkins.
No evidence for God's existence he asserts, the same is God with thousands of other deities ... etc.
How can God the Creator be like other deities invented by people like the idols on earth and the stars of the sky?
This assertion alone indicates their program and purpose in cheating people by playing with words and manipulating the assumptions.
And yes the more they study with their materialistic minds, the more they will get far away more and more from recognizing God their Creator.
While the more the believer studies, the more strength of believing he gets by seeing and discovering more marvels of God's creation.
And also we find this statement in the Glorious Quran 19: 75-76
قُلْ مَن كَانَ فِيالضَّلَالَةِ فَلْيَمْدُدْ لَهُ الرَّحْمَنُ مَدًّا حَتَّى إِذَا رَأَوْا مَايُوعَدُونَ إِمَّا الْعَذَابَ وَإِمَّا السَّاعَةَ فَسَيَعْلَمُونَ مَنْ هُوَشَرٌّ مَّكَانًا وَأَضْعَفُ جُندًا.وَيَزِيدُاللَّهُ الَّذِينَ اهْتَدَوْا هُدًى وَالْبَاقِيَاتُ الصَّالِحَاتُ خَيْرٌ عِندَرَبِّكَ ثَوَابًا وَخَيْرٌ مَّرَدًّا
The explanation
(Say [to them, Mohammed] : "Whosoever is in error, [God] Most Gracious may increase his wealth. Until when they see that which they were threatened with, whether it be punishment [in the World],or the Hour [of death], they will know then who is worst in position, and is weakest in forces."
Those who are guided – God increases them in guidance, and even the good [deeds] that remain [to the afterlife] are better with your Lord [O man] in respect of reward, and better for [your] resort [in the afterlife.])
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I trying to point out that the statement "everything is relative" is a paradox just like "this statement is false."
Except where Joseph Smith was, he never knew Mohammedanism existed.
You think Allah would not throw seeds everywhere?
Well of course we do. Every point you've ever tried to make here comes from the "Glorious Quran" or that ignorant Al-Hilly's foolish interpretation of it, it doesn't appear that you've ever had an original thought in your life. I'd be interested to know what YOU think, not what the Quran and Al-Hilly tell you to think.
Does that idea even mean anything to you?
It's like an n-tierd system of interpretations.
First you have Mohammed just saying his stuff, which frankly was not bad if you just read it, understanding it in terms of the times and of the people he was living among. He spoke around the time that monastic Christians were first starting to make their point. Mohammad said that politicians had corrupted the faiths of Jews and Christians, and that's exactly what Monastic Christians were saying too.
Then you get second tier interpretations leading to the split between Sunni and Shi'ait, neither of which Mohammad had a clue about because he was dead by then.
Then you get mystical mullahs making cults out of it, like Al-Hilly.
My favorite of the post-Mohammad miss-interpretations is how Mohammad told women to dress like everyone else in the village when they went in to shop, in order to look like everyone else in order to not get beat up for being Muslim, and some subsequent dicks changed that to mean wear head-scraves and burka all the time.
Bloody hell.
I'd like to see a day of judgement where Mohammed is there to each-and-every-one talk to all those claiming to be Muslim wishing entrance to Paradise.
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It's always seemed a bit odd to me that god, according to his followers, chooses to deliver his major messages to unlettered desert dwellers with only the most rudimentary of communication technologies, in languages the vast majority of the world's people don't understand, thereby guaranteeing the slowest possible spread of the word and the greatest possible chance for misunderstanding and misinterpretation. He could use a little help with marketing.
Carefull. There's Mullahs out there who'd take your argument as evidence that the way of rightousness is with the sword.
There always have been, and always will be. Power corrupts, according to received folk wisdom, but power corrupts religion uniquely. I've said this before here in different contexts, but it bears repeating: religion claims divine authority for its pronouncements which, in its terms, gives it both a right and duty to interfere in the lives of those who don't buy it. It is, after all, absolutely right by definition, and if you don't buy it you're absolutely wrong and need to be "helped" toward the truth. And of course being absolutely right justifies "helping" you by putting a sword to your throat or a gun to your head to encourage conversion. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, have all done that at various times and places, and the echo of it is still visible in the attitudes of some of the committed believers here.
I believe, for instance, that eanassir would cheerfully murder me if he thought he could get away with it, because in his terms I'm a scoffer and a mocker condemned to the fire for eternity anyway, no harm in sending me there a little sooner than nature would have.
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The Islamic nation is middle and intermediate
All people whether of the desert or of the mountain and of the cities: all these are God servants.
The lettered and the unlettered are equal in humanity and being God servants.
So this desert nation has been almost postponded to a later time.
The messages went to all nations: other than Jews and Christains.
The messengers went to all tribes and islands and at various time intervals and periods.
But the community of the Arab deserts as you call them (although not all of them were in the desert of course) . The desert has the nomads which are only minority and origin of the Arab; but the Arab most of them dwell in the cities.
Therefore, when Mohammed - Salam be to him - appeared, he came after some considerable time during which no warner or apostle had come to the Arab.
You might have read this in the Quran 36: 6
لِتُنذِرَ قَوْمًا مَّا أُنذِرَ آبَاؤُهُمْ فَهُمْ غَافِلُونَ
The explanation:
(Surely, you [Mohammed] are one of the messengers.
[Following] on a standard way [of monotheism and exclusive devotion to God alone.]
A revelation [coming] from the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful.
That you [Mohammed] may warn a people whose fathers were not warned [by any messenger before you], therefore they are unaware [of the afterlife.] )
So while Jews and Christians received their apostles and most of them denied them, therefore they are no more "the people of God" --> so God refused them and chose another nation, to whom no apostle had been sent since a long time (since Ismael son of Abraham who dwelt in Mecca )
So now this nation is middle between the two extremes of Jews and Christians: God chose them and honored them, while the past nations of Jews and Christians became enthusiastic and associaters and idolaters following the idols of the nearby nations surrounding them: like the Baal, Astaroth and the star Sirius; in addition to that they now are the inviters to the atheism and are the enemy of God by all means.
In other words, instead of devoting themselves to their God, they started to invite people to be atheists, and they themselves fell in the contradiction of the commandment that is the most important of all the commandments: to worship God alone without associate.
Therefore, the Islamic nation stood middle neither to the east nor to the west: neither to Jews nor to Christians, but the inviters to the exclusive devotion to God alone without associate.
And Muslims are intermediate between the very strict Jews and the very free Christians: the rites of Muslims are intermediate between these two extremes.
The Islamic nation with its root in the Arab penisula ( this is the wisdom of God): no empire comes to them for any agriculture nor for any rivers, nor for any treasure: but they are steadfast in their land while the empires fight among themselves, whereas the Arab are scure, and the Kaaba at Mecca is scure, and anyone enters into the holy mosque at Mecca is scure.
The light of guidance came from Mecca the capital of the Islam and the goal of the pilgrimage ... in the heart of the desert in a desolate valley.
And inspite of disbelievers and atheists, the light of guidance of God cannot be shut from people, and anyone God wants to guide, then no one can prevent him being guided.
As in the Quran 24: 35
لَّا شَرْقِيَّةٍ وَلَا غَرْبِيَّةٍ
The explanation:
(Neither in the East nor in the West)
The light that came by the apostle of God: Mohammed will come once again to all nations by the Mahdi.
In The Last Days
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