Abortion

[Vanni Fucci]

So.... from your own stats....over 70% of the Canadian population reports that they are Christian. So how about you answer the question posed?

Which question was that?

 

[gerryh]

tibear wrote:
Does this mean that since statistically, the vast majority of Canadians are Christian does that mean that it would be OK for the "majority" to pass Christian moral laws?

The above is what you quoted from tibear. You re-enforced his assertion yet neglected to answer his question.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

The above is what you quoted from tibear. You re-enforced his assertion yet neglected to answer his question.

Well gerry, I never claimed to be answering any question, I was merely pointing out that Christians may enjoy a majority at this time, but times they are a' changin'...

 

[gerryh]

The above is what you quoted from tibear. You re-enforced his assertion yet neglected to answer his question.

Well gerry, I never claimed to be answering any question, I was merely pointing out that Christians may enjoy a majority at this time, but times they are a' changin'...

They are? Christ, your stats show minimal change over a short period of time. They are useless for predicting any kind of long term change one way or the other...... try again......

 

[Vanni Fucci]

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/Products/Analytic/companion/rel/canada.cfm#noreligion

Increase in those reporting “No religion”
Prior to 1971, fewer than 1% of the Canadian population reported having no religion. In 2001, that percentage increased to 16% of the population, or just under 4.8 million people, compared with 3.3 million a decade earlier.

Immigration was a factor in the growth of those with no religious affiliation. One-fifth of the 1.8 million immigrants who arrived in Canada between 1991 and 2001 reported they had no religion, especially individuals born in the People’s Republic of China, Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region) and Taiwan.

On average, people who reported they had no religion tended to be younger than the general population. Almost 40% were aged 24 and under, compared with 33% of the total population. Their median age was 31 years, below the overall median age of 37 for the general population. Males were more likely to report no religion than were females.

About 37% of people in the Yukon reported they had no religion, the highest proportion among the provinces and territories. It was followed by British Columbia (35%) and Alberta (23%). In contrast, only 2% of the population of Newfoundland and Labrador reported no religion, the lowest, followed by Quebec (6%).

Seems to me like change is in the wind...

 

[Reverend Blair]

Not only that, but the various Christian sects do not agree on all of the interpretations of biblical laws, and many of the proposed laws (abortion and SSM to note a couple of hot topics) aren't mentioned in the New Testament (that would be the Christian part of the Bible) at all, so the 70% argument doesn't make it.

 

[missile]

This is a strange coincidence: The area Catholic Bishop stated his intention to induce the 70% of us to return to the Church[those who have lost their faith!] So,I can claim to be a Christian,just not a Catholic anymore!

 

[Reverend Blair]

A lot of people claim to be Christians without being attached to any church. That's the other flawed part of that 70% statistic that Gerry tossed out. Being "Christian" in today's world is often just a cultural thing, like having an ethnic heritage.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Re: RE: Abortion

A lot of people claim to be Christians without being attached to any church. That's the other flawed part of that 70% statistic that Gerry tossed out. Being "Christian" in today's world is often just a cultural thing, like having an ethnic heritage.

I agree; research in the UK shows that many of those who purport to be christians (it's about 70% here too), don't actually believe such basic tenets as virgin birth, or resurrection.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Looks like Roe v. Wade may be overturned soon...

I guess if you appeal enough times, someone is bound to relent...

 

[Reverend Blair]

Bush will have to stack the Supreme Court a little more, but those in Jesusland will force their beliefs on whoever they can, Vanni. They'll lie cheat and steal to do it too.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

Bush recently re-nominated as federal judges several of the virulently anti-choice candidates who were turned down in his first term, including William Pryor, who has called Roe v Wade, "the worst abomination in the history of constitutional law".

 

[Reverend Blair]

It's going to take decades for Americans to regain their rights and freedoms after these fools are done. Their agenda is a travesty to all that the USA is supposed to stand for.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Abortion

Bush will have to stack the Supreme Court a little more, but those in Jesusland will force their beliefs on whoever they can, Vanni. They'll lie cheat and steal to do it too.

Well the article clearly indicated that new Supreme Court appointments will be made within Bush's tenure as President...I doubt that any of those new judges would blink twice at overturning Roe...which seems to be the point. as I understand it...

 

[Reverend Blair]

Oh, I don't doubt that at all. The best we can hope for is that nobody currently sitting retires in the next four years. Not much chance of that given their ages.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Abortion

Oh, I don't doubt that at all. The best we can hope for is that nobody currently sitting retires in the next four years. Not much chance of that given their ages.

...but then there's the possibility of forced retirement... 8O

 

[Reverend Blair]

Considering how old they are, there's also the possibility that one of them will be doing the obituary mambo by morning.

Another reason to be thankful I live in Canada.

 

[tibear]

I'm still confused. (Surprise, Surprise)

First, everyone here was telling me that noone has the right to dictate moral behaviour to anyone. Now, it seems that its OK for the majority to dictate to the minority what the moral code of the land will be.

Is it, is it not OK for people to try to impose their moral beliefs onto others???

If it is OK, then as I asserted in earlier post, since the vast majority of Canadians are Christian then shouldn't we have Christian moral laws in Canada??? Just as Muslim laws are prevalent in Muslim countries.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: Abortion

I'm still confused. (Surprise, Surprise)

First, everyone here was telling me that noone has the right to dictate moral behaviour to anyone. Now, it seems that its OK for the majority to dictate to the minority what the moral code of the land will be.

Is it, is it not OK for people to try to impose their moral beliefs onto others???

If it is OK, then as I asserted in earlier post, since the vast majority of Canadians are Christian then shouldn't we have Christian moral laws in Canada??? Just as Muslim laws are prevalent in Muslim countries.

Ever hear of separation of church and state???

Those countries that have Christian laws and Muslim laws have not...that's part of the reason why those regions are so messed up...

...and you want to bring that here???

 

[tibear]

Vanni,

As I stated, when we began to discuss the topic of morality. I was pretty much gang jumped that noone had the right to impose their moral beliefs onto anyone else.

But then Pea and I had the following exchange,

Pea,

So let me get this straight, it's OK if the majority want to impose a morality law but not for a minority.

All along I thought your position was that nobody had the right to impose their moral convictions onto others.

Does this mean that since statistically, the vast majority of Canadians are Christian does that mean that it would be OK for the "majority" to pass Christian moral laws

Her reply was,

Thats exactly what I am saying

So she's now implying she doesn't have a problem with Christian moral laws, because Christians are the majority.

At least that's what I get from the exchange.