Aboriginal Education in Canada

JLM

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Re: ‘Education systems should not be used to assimilate,’ says Kahnawake diplomat

I just find it funny how some will tear apart the pronvincial governments when Ottawa left them high and dry, but hail Martin as Finance Minister Hero.

He either knew about Adscam which made him complicit or he didn't which made him inept.

I think in fairness that actually had more to do with bureaucrats than politicians. The money was syphoned off $thousands at a time rather than $millions.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Re: ‘Education systems should not be used to assimilate,’ says Kahnawake diplomat

We still have aprox the same amount of debt. Sending Soldiers to die so he can look good is a crime. Some would call it murder or death by negligence.

Not only did they cut funding to the bone. They increased commitments around the world.
 

gerryh

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I just find it funny how some will tear apart the pronvincial governments when Ottawa left them high and dry, but hail Martin as Finance Minister Hero.

He either knew about Adscam which made him complicit or he didn't which made him inept.


and this has what to do with aboriginal education in Canada and the bullshyte comments made by Mr. Deer concerning assimilation?

Not only did they cut funding to the bone. They increased commitments around the world.


ahhhhh...I see, this is an excuse to whine about the Libs cutting funding to some peoples favorite killing machines.
 

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and this has what to do with aboriginal education in Canada and the bullshyte comments made by Mr. Deer concerning assimilation?

You had your answer, just did not like it. Guess this makes the Thread Dead EH?
As he is a representative of what he considers to be a sovereign nation, he is defending their belief on sovereignty. No more, no less than that.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Re: ‘Education systems should not be used to assimilate,’ says Kahnawake diplomat

and this has what to do with aboriginal education in Canada and the bullshyte comments made by Mr. Deer concerning assimilation?

Well it has to do with Mr. Martins credibility on the issue when he makes comments about aboriginal education.

Are you going to answer my question?
 

Ron in Regina

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Re: ‘Education systems should not be used to assimilate,’ says Kahnawake diplomat

Sorry Ron I haven't been following Saskatchewen Politics. I am a wanted man in Saskatchewen.


Wanted man in Saskatchewan? For book signings? Wouldn't mind getting mine signed
some day. ;-)

Back on the topic of Aboriginal Education, the "mismanagement of funds thing along
with the "mind your own business" attitude of those squandering the funds and requesting
more from those being told to "mind your own business" almost had the First Nations
University doors closed in the last year or two....& the fall out is still happening, and
is fresh in the minds of all out here.

The "Openness & Accountability" thing seems to be a major stumbling block in Native
Politics, at least out here in Saskatchewan, and it leaves a pretty bad smell as it is
usually blatantly ignored, or poorly attempted in the face of open graft & nepotism,
followed by "no comment" or "none of your business" when the optics become
clearer.

Premier Brad Wall calls out problems in the FSIN and SIGA | News Talk 980 CJME

I'm thinking of the whole First Nations University - FSIN Leadership - Dutch Lerat -
missing money - SIGA - Morley Watson - Guy Lonechild - whole ball of nastiness....
as just one recent example. Here's just one source for ease of example, but it's
enough to warm up a Google search for anyone who's interested:

First Nations/Aboriginal | News Talk 980 CJME
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Wanted man in Saskatchewan? For book signings? Wouldn't mind getting mine signed
some day. ;-)

Back on the topic of Aboriginal Education, the "mismanagement of funds thing along
with the "mind your own business" attitude of those squandering the funds and requesting
more from those being told to "mind your own business" almost had the First Nations
University doors closed in the last year or two....& the fall out is still happening, and
is fresh in the minds of all out here.

The "Openness & Accountability" thing seems to be a major stumbling block in Native
Politics, at least out here in Saskatchewan, and it leaves a pretty bad smell as it is
usually blatantly ignored, or poorly attempted in the face of open graft & nepotism,
followed by "no comment" or "none of your business" when the optics become
clearer.

Premier Brad Wall calls out problems in the FSIN and SIGA | News Talk 980 CJME

I'm thinking of the whole First Nations University - FSIN Leadership - Dutch Lerat -
missing money - SIGA - Morley Watson - Guy Lonechild - whole ball of nastiness....
as just one recent example. Here's just one source for ease of example, but it's
enough to warm up a Google search for anyone who's interested:

First Nations/Aboriginal | News Talk 980 CJME



This goes back to my original comment about APTN. Who's paying for that?

I look upon Mr. Deer as just another politician who has become comfortable with saying, "Give us the money, just don't tell us how to use it or where its going."

He doesn't think aboriginals shopuld be a part of the Canadian Education system, but sees no issue with the Canadian doillars.

At some point our Nations people will become one, but until then, there will be lots of division and accusation and corruption.

Actually, I'm not wanted anymore. It's been almost 20 years since I got that speeding ticket outside Regina.


fine, I was wrong, feel better?

Thanks Buddy! :p
 

Ron in Regina

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of course, idiots like deer, will blame the feds and the provinces for all of it.


Guess I'm not looking at the bigger picture, and am focused on the provincial level, and
not the federal level. Blame out here is sitting with the baords of directors and their
relatives for the FSIN & SIGA, with the public and the provincial and federal gov't's all
being just frustrated. House cleaning is so overdue so that things can go forward, and
it's obvious to all it seems, but here we are.

Really, how often does a Provincial Premier come out and say, "Yeah.....the FSIN, we're
going to have to cut you out'a the money loop and deal directly with the reservations so
the we know they'll get the money they're suppose to be receiving from us, etc..." or
something along those lines. If the province has to do this, I'm sure the fed's will follow,
just like what had to happen to get the First Nations University thing rolling again recently.
 

JLM

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Guess I'm not looking at the bigger picture, and am focused on the provincial level, and
not the federal level. Blame out here is sitting with the baords of directors and their
relatives for the FSIN & SIGA, with the public and the provincial and federal gov't's all
being just frustrated. House cleaning is so overdue so that things can go forward, and
it's obvious to all it seems, but here we are.

Really, how often does a Provincial Premier come out and say, "Yeah.....the FSIN, we're
going to have to cut you out'a the money loop and deal directly with the reservations so
the we know they'll get the money they're suppose to be receiving from us, etc..." or
something along those lines. If the province has to do this, I'm sure the fed's will follow,
just like what had to happen to get the First Nations University thing rolling again recently.

Martin did say the provinces and municipalites were doing much more to address the problem than the Feds. :smile:
 

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Martin did say the provinces and municipalites were doing much more to address the problem than the Feds. :smile:

You know the old saying - The closer to a problem makes it more apparent/critical and in need of a solution.
 

Ron in Regina

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I'm going to fire off a link to this Thread to someone I know, who's a former (Aborigional)
school teacher in the residential school system, and a former lawyer & former politician
and current Federal Ajudicator with respect to the residential school claims.

Hopefully he has the time to skim through this and add to it from a bit of a different
perspective, as he's worn several hats that would open windows of thought in directions
this Thread hasn't taken.
 

dumpthemonarchy

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Re: ‘Education systems should not be used to assimilate,’ says Kahnawake diplomat

all moneys ultimately comes out of federal coffers.

I will add this though, it is all owed to them for as long as "the sun shines and the rivers flow".

Not too long ago aboriginals got much much less from taxpayers, if this unlimited liabiltiy can go up, it can go down too. Plus, nothing lasts forever in this world.

This unlimited liabiltiy fo taxpayers, which depends on nature, yet they're sovereign. Sovereign, yet others must pay their bills. It's generally not how sovereignty is defined in most parts of the world.
 

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It's not 'aboriginal' kids who need better educational programs, it's just in general we need better educational programs / funding. You know there's a million small things they can do in schools which would make things run a million times smoother, but it's kids from all backgrounds who get disaffected by the furniture and the atmosphere of public schools.
 

wulfie68

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Growing up in a small Alberta community, with a large aboriginal population I really don't know how to frame this issue.

Where I grew up, native kids dropped out of school far more than non-natives, but at the same time, for those who did graduate, there were a large number of scholarships, bursaries and other programs, including guaranteed admissions into many university programs. Those who wanted to pursue higher education had an easier time than most of the non-natives, but there wasn't as much interest in getting to that point. This seems to be more the real issue to me: getting the kids to stay in school and go on to university or even just to trade school, and its not a situation unique to natives, although (speaking from my limited experience and anecdotal evidence related to me across northern Alberta) it seems to hit them harder. And with some of the Alberta bands, the kids who had "treaty status" had less impetus to drive them to further education because of the royalty payouts from the energy industry, which is within their rights, but short-sighted, because those royalties won't last forever.

From discussions with relatives in NE BC and Sasaktchewan, the situation sounded almost identical in those provinces as well: the main variable was whether the local band got a lot or a little money from energy and forestry companies.

Again, this is how it appeared from where I sat. I don't know how the situation varies into other parts of the country.
 

taxslave

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Re: ‘Education systems should not be used to assimilate,’ says Kahnawake diplomat

That is not how I read it - The system is broken, disease, health, gangs, addiction, and on and on. How could any sane person find places to cut funds for Aboriginals.

How about by cutting a few thousand white bureaucrats in DIA in Ottawa?