Abbotsford police officer dies following shooting on Monday

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

70's & early 80's.

Note that I know the area well have travelled, worked, & fished there extensively in addition to living an hour's drive away-will be working there again in 3 weeks time.

I grew up there in the 70's and 80's there was plenty of drug trafficking going on then. Four people I went to school with were killed in separate incidents due to the drug trade. One was killed in a drive by shooting in the 80's, another was killed by the cop he attacked, the other two were murdered by the people they associated with. And those were people I knew. There were plenty of other incidents. In fact Chilliwack and Abbotsford had a reputation for high crime rates back then. That and most churches per capita.

I will say the Fraser Valley population has exploded and grown. But Chilliwack, Abbotsford and the outlying communities had it's fair share of rough customers even then.

 

[JLM]

I grew up there in the 70's and 80's there was plenty of drug trafficking going on then. Four people I went to school with were killed in separate incidents due to the drug trade. One was killed in a drive by shooting in the 80's, another was killed by the cop he attacked, the other two were murdered by the people they associated with. And those were people I knew. There were plenty of other incidents. In fact Chilliwack and Abbotsford had a reputation for high crime rates back then. That and most churches per capita.

I will say the Fraser Valley population has exploded and grown. But Chilliwack, Abbotsford and the outlying communities had it's fair share of rough customers even then.

Yep a lot of hypocritical politicians came from right out of the Bible Belt.

It wouldn't have prevented this killing but sure would stop him from doing it again.

Isn't it just amazing how many people can't see that?

 

[Hoid]

That's bull sh*t - I know if I was contemplating a murder, it would be enough to make me think twice - anyway how do you propose to prove a negative?

There is no proof that the dp has any influence on crime rates at all.

Proponents are generally left tout other imaginary benefits like - he'll never it do it again.

The cranky old white man from Alberta will never kill another cop and we don't have to kill him in order to make sure of it.

 

[taxslave]

it is no deterrent to anything and has never been proven to be.

it is a horrendously expensive and ethically questionable practice which is why we don't have it anymore.

It is cheap like boarch and 100% guarantees no repeat offenders. A rope can be reused. No ethical questions at all.

There is no proof that the dp has any influence on crime rates at all.

Proponents are generally left tout other imaginary benefits like - he'll never it do it again.

The cranky old white man from Alberta will never kill another cop and we don't have to kill him in order to make sure of it.

Keeping him in jail is hugely expensive unless he has a serious accident a short time into his stay.

 

[B00Mer]

How would capital punishment have prevented this killing?

It’s a deterrent, because now he is just going to prison at the expensive of the Canadian Taxpayers... the thought that he may loose his life for killing an officer may have stopped him from committing the crime..

 

[bill barilko]

It is cheap like boarch and 100% guarantees no repeat offenders....

WTH is 'boarch'?

Even google fails me on that one.

 

[Hoid]

It is cheap like boarch

It is the most expensive type of case to try.

Many jurisdictions in the USA that have the DP go broke trying a single case.

It would be nice if you would try to know something.

It’s a deterrent, because now he is just going to prison at the expensive of the Canadian Taxpayers... the thought that he may loose his life for killing an officer may have stopped him from committing the crime..

Florida just executed a man they convicted in 1988.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

It wouldn't have prevented this killing but sure would stop him from doing it again.

I think life without parole or niceities in prison would do the same thing. But 25 years and then out is not a good sentence.

 

[gerryh]

70's & early 80's.

Note that I know the area well have travelled, worked, & fished there extensively in addition to living an hour's drive away-will be working there again in 3 weeks time.

As RCS has already pointed out, you are wrong. I have lived there off and on in the 80's and 90's. Lived in Langley since the late 60's, and have even lived in slurrey for a time. Raised the majority of my kids in the Lowermainland. Abbotsford has been a "cesspool" of drugs and gangs since at least the 80's. It seemed like they moved from Surrey, straight into Abbotsford and bypassed Langley. That has since been rectified though.

 

[bill barilko]

As RCS has already pointed out, you are wrong. I have lived there off and on in the 80's and 90's.

Sounds very much to me like you two were part of the problem-what kind of people do you associate with anyway?

Don't answer we know the answer.

 

[JLM]

There is no proof that the dp has any influence on crime rates at all.

Proponents are generally left tout other imaginary benefits like - he'll never it do it again.

The cranky old white man from Alberta will never kill another cop and we don't have to kill him in order to make sure of it.

You're right he probably won't kill another cop, but he could likely kill a prison staff member!

So, the only benefit is that it would prevent something that is very likely to not happen from happening.

What do you mean "that is very likely not to happen"? He's already proven he can make it happen!

Sounds very much to me like you two were part of the problem-what kind of people do you associate with anyway?

If they are smart probably not your kind.

You're right he probably won't kill another cop, but he could likely kill a prison staff member!




What do you mean "that is very likely not to happen"? He's already proven he can make it happen!




If they are smart probably not your kind.

A lot of people cite the reason that execution is too expensive of an alternative. It doesn't have to be. Just reduce the # of appeals allowed to one. I think the only criteria for the death penalty in the first place is one of two reasons 1. caught in the act and 2. D.N.A. evidence done under strict rules.

Keeping him in jail is hugely expensive unless he has a serious accident a short time into his stay.

You got that right, like these escorted passes they start getting about a month into their sentence if they've been good little boys!

It’s a deterrent, because now he is just going to prison at the expensive of the Canadian Taxpayers... the thought that he may loose his life for killing an officer may have stopped him from committing the crime..

I'm glad to see someone on this forum with a little common sense, Boomer.

 

[Dixie Cup]

I guess I am a bit of two minds on the death penalty. On one side, far too many people have been incarcerated for crimes they didn t commit; on the other, you have individuals who have committed heinous crimes who aren t worth saving and would save us hundreds of thousands of dollars by simply getting rid of them. The problem with the latter is that by killing we become them.


So, I was glad to see Canada abandon the death penalty but having said that, there are too few individuals who, unlike a Bernardo, are given their freedom when they don t deserve it. By not having the death penalty, as a taxpayer, I am willing to pay for their incarceration, but I don t want them ever to see the light of day. No get out of jail cards for murderers; no time off for good behaviour - (they should have thought of that before they committed their crimes).


As I said, I'm of two minds because when I think of that police officer in BC who was recently killed and of the police officer in St. Albert that was killed and the children who were recently killed by their caregivers and the honour killings that have happened - then I think the death penalty would be a good thing because in all of these situations, the perpetrators will, eventually, be set free. To me, that is unconscionable but a fact of life in Canada.


JMHO

 

[Cannuck]

To be in favour of the death penalty you have to have trust in the gubmint.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Sounds very much to me like you two were part of the problem-what kind of people do you associate with anyway?

Don't answer we know the answer.

Worst thing I ever did as a kid was buy some weed.
Well, that and I once bought a Flock of Seagulls LP; which I am not proud of.

 

[Hoid]

To be in favour of the death penalty you have to have trust in the gubmint.

this is worth thinking about

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Worst thing I ever did as a kid was buy some weed.
Well, that and I once bought a Flock of Seagulls LP; which I am not proud of.

Clearly, death by slow torture is the only fitting punishment.

Oh, and maybe a 20-dollar fine for the weed.

 

[Cannuck]

this is worth thinking about

It's one of the many logical inconsistencies of the social conservative mind. They don't trust the gubmint to provide health care, education or regulation of the banking sector but are quite comfortable giving this same gubmint the power to kill it's citizens

 

[Hoid]

Besides, nobody cares about something that you didn't do.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It's one of the many logical inconsistencies of the social conservative mind. They don't trust the gubmint to provide health care, education or regulation of the banking sector but are quite comfortable giving this same gubmint the power to kill it's citizens

It's a matter of skill sets. The government's really good at killing. Would you want to have an accountant in goal for your favorite stick-skate-soccer team?

 

[JLM]

I guess I am a bit of two minds on the death penalty. On one side, far too many people have been incarcerated for crimes they didn t commit; on the other, you have individuals who have committed heinous crimes who aren t worth saving and would save us hundreds of thousands of dollars by simply getting rid of them. The problem with the latter is that by killing we become them.


So, I was glad to see Canada abandon the death penalty but having said that, there are too few individuals who, unlike a Bernardo, are given their freedom when they don t deserve it. By not having the death penalty, as a taxpayer, I am willing to pay for their incarceration, but I don t want them ever to see the light of day. No get out of jail cards for murderers; no time off for good behaviour - (they should have thought of that before they committed their crimes).


As I said, I'm of two minds because when I think of that police officer in BC who was recently killed and of the police officer in St. Albert that was killed and the children who were recently killed by their caregivers and the honour killings that have happened - then I think the death penalty would be a good thing because in all of these situations, the perpetrators will, eventually, be set free. To me, that is unconscionable but a fact of life in Canada.


JMHO

I pretty much agree with you, Dixie but we have a "Catch 22" situation as you've more or less pointed out. I know I would be a lot less gung ho about Capital Punishment if these extreme cases could be housed in a concrete bunker with minimal amenities of life like a toilet, a blanket and enough bland food to keep them alive, so they are in a position to think of absolutely nothing except what they are in there for. No radios, no T.V.s, no computers, no books, no exercising equipment, nothing beyond a 20 watt light bulb! This should be the lot for those who commit the most heinous crimes and who reliable rehab is absolutely impossible.