A question about pligamy.
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RE: A question about plig
I've explained my position on that for you already, tibear. As long measures are taken to keep people (not just teens) from being forced I don't care if a man has ten wives or a woman has twelve husbands. It's none of my concern.
I've explained my position on that for you already, tibear. As long measures are taken to keep people (not just teens) from being forced I don't care if a man has ten wives or a woman has twelve husbands. It's none of my concern.
RE: A question about plig
I remember a story in the Times Colonist about a member of the green party who decided to go swimming with his helmet on and drowned.
First story was interesting. He'd disappeared on election night......last seen riding his bike. It was all very very suspicious
Second story stated they couldn't find him but were looking for him around the waterfront.
Third story....he was found dead under the warf with his helmet on. Bike was located on the water front. Funny, the only bike in Victoria NOT to get stolen.....
Fourth story....nothing. No investigation details...nothing. Course most understand how corrupt Victoria gov't is......
Journalists are a dying breed. They've been replaced by people who are forced to write according to the political leanings of the paper....
So.......which journalist is going to write that everything is going great at Bountiful? Is a paper even going to print it and would the reporter still have a job the next morning?
I remember a story in the Times Colonist about a member of the green party who decided to go swimming with his helmet on and drowned.
First story was interesting. He'd disappeared on election night......last seen riding his bike. It was all very very suspicious
Second story stated they couldn't find him but were looking for him around the waterfront.
Third story....he was found dead under the warf with his helmet on. Bike was located on the water front. Funny, the only bike in Victoria NOT to get stolen.....
Fourth story....nothing. No investigation details...nothing. Course most understand how corrupt Victoria gov't is......
Journalists are a dying breed. They've been replaced by people who are forced to write according to the political leanings of the paper....
So.......which journalist is going to write that everything is going great at Bountiful? Is a paper even going to print it and would the reporter still have a job the next morning?
An interesting article is here:http://www.polygamyinfo.com/plygmedia 04 110trib.htm
What I notice is that the claim of underage girls being married is discounted by the authorities, which means that if you buy into that argument then the authorities also become part of the 'conspiracy' -which if true is the best word for it.
However, I believe the age of consent is different in every province, so if they being married at 14 then that becomes an issue. The big issue there isn't just at what age does somebody have the 'right' to decide who they marry but how does the state get involved in cases from all over where marriages may be arranged. There are many who may feel that so much cultural pressure is on them that there is no way out, is that not infringing on rights as well? It's clear why nobody in government wants to touch this.
You'll note also in the article the line about canadians being 'live and let live' kind of people, which is true of peoplein general, families occasionally, and less true of governments. There are plenty of mennonites around here, what kind of pressures do they put on people to stay within the faith?
As far as the numbers of wives or husbands I couldn't care less-but what about survivor benefits? I don't care how many get married, particularly if they aren't asking for anything besides recognition, the big issues are the conditions of marriage.
For the woman poster looking for two husbands, too bad I hadn't 'met' you earlier, like some other posters here, boy I'm tired! (but in a good way
What I notice is that the claim of underage girls being married is discounted by the authorities, which means that if you buy into that argument then the authorities also become part of the 'conspiracy' -which if true is the best word for it.
However, I believe the age of consent is different in every province, so if they being married at 14 then that becomes an issue. The big issue there isn't just at what age does somebody have the 'right' to decide who they marry but how does the state get involved in cases from all over where marriages may be arranged. There are many who may feel that so much cultural pressure is on them that there is no way out, is that not infringing on rights as well? It's clear why nobody in government wants to touch this.
You'll note also in the article the line about canadians being 'live and let live' kind of people, which is true of peoplein general, families occasionally, and less true of governments. There are plenty of mennonites around here, what kind of pressures do they put on people to stay within the faith?
As far as the numbers of wives or husbands I couldn't care less-but what about survivor benefits? I don't care how many get married, particularly if they aren't asking for anything besides recognition, the big issues are the conditions of marriage.
For the woman poster looking for two husbands, too bad I hadn't 'met' you earlier, like some other posters here, boy I'm tired! (but in a good way
RE: A question about plig
The way arranged marriage works right now in Bountiful, when a woman decides she is ready to be married she is asked if she has any one in mind that she would like. If she doesn't, she is asked if she would like to marry a certain man, she is then allowed to refuse if she wants.
The way arranged marriage works right now in Bountiful, when a woman decides she is ready to be married she is asked if she has any one in mind that she would like. If she doesn't, she is asked if she would like to marry a certain man, she is then allowed to refuse if she wants.
Re: RE: A question about pligamy.
Ha, the perfect argument for fundamentalists who insist on interpreting the Bible literally! :lol:
missile said:
Ha, the perfect argument for fundamentalists who insist on interpreting the Bible literally! :lol:
Machjo,
The literalists believe that Adam and Eve had many, many children and that Cain and Abel were simply the first two. So the literalists also believe that incest was rampant in the "early days" but that since there was no other humans arounds that it was OK.
The literalists believe that Adam and Eve had many, many children and that Cain and Abel were simply the first two. So the literalists also believe that incest was rampant in the "early days" but that since there was no other humans arounds that it was OK.
Re: RE: A question about pligamy.
Funny how the fundies are able to rewrite the bible to their own comfort level. "Many parts of the bible are not meant to be taken literally" is a statement far too often uttered by these desperate few. Yet, according to biblical scholars, the Pentateuch, and the words written therein were "breathed" directly to Moses. If these words came directly then from god, how can the Christians play so fast and loose with their translation or context?
I trust though that your soul is safe, and not hellbound because of it... :twisted:
tibear said:
Funny how the fundies are able to rewrite the bible to their own comfort level. "Many parts of the bible are not meant to be taken literally" is a statement far too often uttered by these desperate few. Yet, according to biblical scholars, the Pentateuch, and the words written therein were "breathed" directly to Moses. If these words came directly then from god, how can the Christians play so fast and loose with their translation or context?
I trust though that your soul is safe, and not hellbound because of it... :twisted:
Vanni,
When did I ever say that the bible was "breathed" directly to Moses???? So seem to imply that I take everything in the bible literally, even though I repeatedly stated I don't. In fact, I believe in evolution, I believe that many religions have benefit.
Thanks for worrying about my soul, I'm fine. How about yours???
When did I ever say that the bible was "breathed" directly to Moses???? So seem to imply that I take everything in the bible literally, even though I repeatedly stated I don't. In fact, I believe in evolution, I believe that many religions have benefit.
Thanks for worrying about my soul, I'm fine. How about yours???
It is fourteen everywhere. The provinces have no say in the matter. It is federal jurisdiction. In Canada anyways.
No. Kids are going to have sex, tibear. A two-year spread falls well within average spans for maturity levels. Charging a 17 year old for giving in to his hormones is ridiculous.
RE: A question about plig
That depends on the kids, tibear. You also have to keep in mind that kids are entering puberty earlier (likely due to hormones in our food, but that's another thread) so they are more likely to start earlier. At the same time our society tends to keep some kids from maturing mentally and emotionally while other kids are forced to grow up way too fast.
So is there a difference between two immature 14 year olds and two mature 11 year olds? What about a mature 11 year old and an immature 14 year old? I don't think it can be judged on a general basis.
That depends on the kids, tibear. You also have to keep in mind that kids are entering puberty earlier (likely due to hormones in our food, but that's another thread) so they are more likely to start earlier. At the same time our society tends to keep some kids from maturing mentally and emotionally while other kids are forced to grow up way too fast.
So is there a difference between two immature 14 year olds and two mature 11 year olds? What about a mature 11 year old and an immature 14 year old? I don't think it can be judged on a general basis.
RB,
However, our laws don't take into consideration maturity levels.
A very mature and knowledgable 17 year old can't vote and yet a 95 year-old completely incoherent senior citizen is able to vote if they can make an 'X'.
I'm not sure what the answer is but up to now, the laws have been carved in stone and no exceptions are made.
However, our laws don't take into consideration maturity levels.
A very mature and knowledgable 17 year old can't vote and yet a 95 year-old completely incoherent senior citizen is able to vote if they can make an 'X'.
I'm not sure what the answer is but up to now, the laws have been carved in stone and no exceptions are made.
Re: RE: A question about pligamy.
"Permitted"? I'd say so.
Until we can prove that there is a victim then yes, they should be "permitted" to. You don't need permission from anyone to engage in something that doesn't harm anyone else.
tibear said:
"Permitted"? I'd say so.
Until we can prove that there is a victim then yes, they should be "permitted" to. You don't need permission from anyone to engage in something that doesn't harm anyone else.
What about a 15-almost-16 year old girl and a way too happy to oblige 12-almost-13 year old boy? Is that wrong, tibear?