A message to the citizens of the United States from Australia and the UK

[Scott Free]

A message to the citizens of the United States from Australia and the UK: Do not under any circumstances give up your guns


No matter what transpires in the United States of America in the coming months to years, it is extremely important that citizens of the United States do not give up their rights to keep and bear arms. This right is protected under the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, drafted in 1791.

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would they ever, anyway?

 

[normbc9]

To quote the past President of the national Rifle Association Charleton Heston as he raised a rifle in the air at the podium, "Over my dead body!" Referring to the proposals for gun control in the US. When the chattered all finished there were millions of Americans who did agree with him. Right now I don't think those numbers are decreasing either. People kill people, not guns or errant vehicles.

 

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That's a 50/50 toss-up!

 

[talloola]

To quote the past President of the national Rifle Association Charleton Heston as he raised a rifle in the air at the podium, "Over my dead body!" Referring to the proposals for gun control in the US. When the chattered all finished there were millions of Americans who did agree with him. Right now I don't think those numbers are decreasing either. People kill people, not guns or errant vehicles.

Guns make the violant act of killing, 'easy'.

It's brutal and difficult to kill someone in a knife fight, and so intimate in nature, actually
plunging a knife into someone's body
It's very difficult to kill someone in a physical battle, you might come out on the short end,
and again, you are actually touching someone
Guns are so easy, not too much emotion, do it from a distance, then take off, 'crack' of the
gun and it's over.
It's difficult to plan a killing by inducing pills into their body, have to plan carefully, and
obtain the pills, or poison etc.
A tiny little woman can kill a big 6ft 6in. man in a second by pulling the trigger.

 

[Zzarchov]

You've never used a gun before have you? Its just as easy to come out on the wrong end of a gun fight as any other kind of fight.

But if the criminal has a gun and you have a knife, your pretty screwed.

And if the criminal has a knife and you have nothing, your screwed.

And if the criminals have guns and you have nothing, you and 100 other people in the hotels and restraunts around the city end up dead.

 

[Spade]

What each person needs in her purse or in his glove compartment to be really

safe!

 

[scratch]

We all need nukes!

 

[Spade]

Nukes don't kill people, people kill people.

The Nuclear Rifle Association (nra.org)

 

[Praxius]

You've never used a gun before have you? Its just as easy to come out on the wrong end of a gun fight as any other kind of fight.

But if the criminal has a gun and you have a knife, your pretty screwed.

It takes more time to draw, cock, aim and fire a firearm then it does to throw a knife into their eye.

And if the criminal has a knife and you have nothing, your screwed.

Not if you take that knife in their hand and drive it into their throat using their own force and weight.

And if the criminals have guns and you have nothing, you and 100 other people in the hotels and restraunts around the city end up dead.

Well I guess that means I should start wearing my bomb vest more often..... like rock/paper/scissors ~

Gun Beats Knife
but Bomb Beats Gun
and Knife Beats Bomb.

 

[Praxius]

Nukes don't kill people, people kill people.

The Nuclear Rifle Association (nra.org)

Nukes don't kill people.... they make radioactive super heros out of them.

 

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V.G. Prax.

 

[Zzarchov]

It takes more time to draw, cock, aim and fire a firearm then it does to throw a knife into their eye.

Throwing knives accurately does take alot of training, it also lacks the immediate stopping power (even if it has more than enough potential to kill you in second from blood loss).

Not if you take that knife in their hand and drive it into their throat using their own force and weight.

That assumes you are better trained in hand to hand combat than them. And thats a crock assumption. There is no training you can receive they cannot also receive. And being as they use violence for gain, its more likely they will receive the training than you will.

Man didn't invent weapons to be inferior to an unarmed man, and even the best martial artist in the world is more dangerous with a knife than without.

You may as well say "guns aren't dangerous, you just use quick movements to disarm them and shoot them with their own gun".

Trading liberty for safety results in neither.

 

[Praxius]

Throwing knives accurately does take alot of training, it also lacks the immediate stopping power (even if it has more than enough potential to kill you in second from blood loss).

True, but even if you didn't throw it right and the blade didn't hit, but rather the handle, you'd either knock them out or at the very least it'd hurt a hell of a lot and stun their accuracy enough to punch them in the throat, break their windpipe and break their arm over your shoulder, grab the gun and shoot them three times in the chest (Hey, anything is possible)

That assumes you are better trained in hand to hand combat than them. And thats a crock assumption. There is no training you can receive they cannot also receive. And being as they use violence for gain, its more likely they will receive the training than you will.

Well I personally wouldn't be going to try to see who's got training or who's training is better then the other, I'd do what I feel I need to in order to survive, which is kill them as quickly and effectively as possible as soon as the opportunity presents itself..... they are just like you and I.... human, and humans can be killed in more ways then one. Someone points a gun or knife at me, they just kissed their lives goodbye in my books and if I'm gonna go down anyways, I'm taking someone with me one way or another..... and if I fail in doing that, I'll make sure I haunt their asses until they go crazy or they drive off a cliff as I scream "BOOOO SATAN IS COMING FOR YOU!!!!" as they hit a sharp corner.

Man didn't invent weapons to be inferior to an unarmed man, and even the best martial artist in the world is more dangerous with a knife than without.

Well obviously, that's why I like bladed weapons.

You may as well say "guns aren't dangerous, you just use quick movements to disarm them and shoot them with their own gun".

It can be done.... and I'd rather die trying then sit there waiting like a lamb to the slaughter.

Trading liberty for safety results in neither.

Agreed.

 

[gopher]

The last significant restriction on gun access was enacted in 1968.

 

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Forty years of guns not killing people or anything else.

 

[Scott Free]

Guns make the violant act of killing, 'easy'.

Only if you're psychotic.

It's brutal and difficult to kill someone in a knife fight

It's very easy to kill someone with a knife if you know what you're doing.

It's very difficult to kill someone in a physical battle, you might come out on the short end,

If you don't telegraph your intent there is almost no chance your victim will survive.

Guns are so easy, not too much emotion, do it from a distance, then take off, 'crack' of the
gun and it's over.

Again, only if you're psychotic at which point the outcome is more important than the method.

It's difficult to plan a killing by inducing pills into their body, have to plan carefully, and
obtain the pills, or poison etc.
A tiny little woman can kill a big 6ft 6in. man in a second by pulling the trigger.

This doesn't make sense. Why plan carefully if your little or big unless you intend to get away with the murder? How hard is it for a little lady to stab someone with a needle full of insulin? Or use a box cutter to slash their victims femoral artery? Or use a skewer and stab the heart? Non of this requires any great skill or strength just the opportunity to act first.

Anyway, it has long been the feminine method (young or old) to find someone to do their dirty work for them. It is fairly rare to find a woman that actually does the crime but fairly common to find one behind the crime, generally claiming she too was a victim.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

USA has very little gun control (I understand in some states buying a gun is as easy as buying a loaf of bread). USA also has a high crime rate (and violent crime) rate, a higher crime rate than most developed countries.

I like to think the two facts are related. Free, ready availability of guns probably contributes to the high crime rate, high murder rate in USA. While it is true that a professional criminal will always able to obtain a gun whether there are restrictions or not, restrictions on guns tend to reduce the deaths in crime of passion.

Thus in a domestic dispute if the husband doesn’t have a gun, but has to kill his wife with bare hands or with a knife, he is less likely to succeed. Ready availability of gun definitely leads to an increase in some types of violent crime.

 

[Cliffy]

It is fairly rare to find a woman that actually does the crime but fairly common to find one behind the crime, generally claiming she too was a victim.

Scott Free,

That would be why Lorena Bobbitt was an instant heroine.

 

[Cliffy]

SirJoe,

The death rate in the US has more to do with so many of them being crazy than the availability of guns. Their history has been one of bloodshed since the pilgrims arrived and that can have an influence on the present.