it could be worked into the fees yes, it wouldn't be a large cost really..unfortunately the those families that are not Muslim also have the right not to have their children be affected by the actions of others wouldn't really hold up in court...within our current school system there are so many issues for your average kid to deal with daily because we are "inclusive" and my feelings on that are not very PC. The problems a prayer room would create are zero compared to the rest of the daily problems in a classroom that have to be dealt with by the teacher and tolerated by the kids and accepted by the parents. Until the pendulum shifts slightly, that's the way it is.
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As an RC and a GC prayers is at least 5 times a day but if I say the Lord's Pray and Grace aloud all f-cking Hell would break loose. if I accidentally spread my arms too far blessing somebody's Michellinas microwave sh-t in a box I'd never hear the end of it.
It would hold up in Court just fine. I can not see any way (presuming it was challenged) that a Court could force people outside that faith to fund it's operations that they would have no use of.
As for the costs, why on Earth would any non-Muslim agree to fund the specific needs of one demographic in that school, especially as it is non-denominational? Further, it would be up to the school to 'rent' those special facilities to the demographic that deems it their 'right'
This is what I'm driving at in terms of 'rights'... Give them exactly what they want, but the various costs relative to real dollars (land/space/facilities, etc) is not something that is included in their 'rights'
I agree with your above comment, and in part, that is what has motivated my response... This is another faux-issue that adds to the raft of useless conflicts already in play.
In many regards, agreeing to this kind of thing is the very real impetus that leads to more useless nonsense that gets piled on top over and over again
I don't know...the Muslims that I know don't do the whole five prayers a day, they aren't up before dawn for one thing and when you are running a restaurant you aren't out the back praying while the food is burning on the grill or telling your client "hang tough, I'll finish your hair cut after prayer".
And most of the Jews I know don't eschew all technology on Saturday. And most of the Christians I know don't refuse to do any work on Sunday.
For those that do, we make accommodations. One of the partners I deal with regularly is Orthodox. The fact that I cannot contact him between sundown Friday and sundown Saturday does tend to put a hitch in my git-along. Yet somehow we deal with it, and the sheer, diamond-hard brilliance of his magnificent mind makes it well worth the inconvenience of the fact that I have to accommodate his beliefs.
agreed as long as the accommodation runs both ways...such as...my girlfriend has a staff member who won't miss church on a Sunday morning...she won't ever work on a Sunday morning and prefers not to work on a Sunday at all...the deal is...she will do Friday nights that the younger one's don't like doing and under special circumstances such as staff meetings she will come in
you also make an interesting point there regarding the brilliance of his mind making it worth the inconvenience of needing to accommodate his belief...because yes it is an inconvenience, one that I am certain he is aware of and appreciates thus we all have to believe there is a balance maintained...
if there is no balance and it becomes all about taking, the result leads to many negative outcomes
actually I don't think it was so much of a choice that they made to adapt to our ways here in the west as it was knowing it is safe here for them to practice as they see fit
Yes, Avram is well familiar with the the beliefs of others, and makes a point of scheduling his week so that he works alone on Sundays.
He has sometimes expressed appreciation for my flexibility, that I have no "off-limits" time. And I have expressed envy for the heart's ease and soul's strengthening that his beliefs give him.
He asks me "Do you believe in nothing?"
He really doesn't get it. Yet he is flexible enough to appreciate me as a man, and a mind, and a lawyer, despite his bafflement and sorrow that I have no god and no ritual to provide me with rest and reinforcement. He pities me. I accept his pity without resentement.
30 years ago he wouldn't have been able to shop on Sunday but things change and we adapt. Some Christians opposed Sunday shopping while most embraced it. It's better for everyone.
Indeed. There were once multi-cultural societies whose rule was "Do as you will. Don't demand that your neighbors do the same."
What's so hard about that?
Not familiar with them. I'm sure you'll fill me in.
All due to the simple fact that despite our reservations about each other's beliefs, we choose to deal with each other as human beings.
Weird, hunh?
I've been to some formal holidays at Avram's house. We both draw enormous amusement, and great comfort, at the idea of a Shawnee atheist participating with all respect in Orthodox Jewish rituals.
The key is that he doesn't demand that I believe, only that I respect.
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The Ottoman Empire was governed by different sets of laws during its existence. The Kanun a secular legal system, co-existed with religious law or Sharia.[1] Legal administration in the Ottoman Empire was part of a larger scheme of balancing central and local authority.[2] Ottoman power revolved crucially around the administration of the rights to land, which gave a space for the local authority develop the needs of the local millet.[2] The jurisdictional complexity of the Ottoman Empire was aimed to permit the integration of culturally and religiously different groups.[2]
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The Ottoman Empire was governed by different sets of laws during its existence. The Kanun a secular legal system, co-existed with religious law or Sharia.[1] Legal administration in the Ottoman Empire was part of a larger scheme of balancing central and local authority.[2] Ottoman power revolved crucially around the administration of the rights to land, which gave a space for the local authority develop the needs of the local millet.[2] The jurisdictional complexity of the Ottoman Empire was aimed to permit the integration of culturally and religiously different groups.[2]
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No not weird, privileged, trusted, accepted. I worked for Jews for years, actually a couple of decades...Catholics and Jews...what can I say, we have an affinity...we discussed religion and belief frequently. In those days I was a christian, albeit a Catholic light he was fairly traditional although not quite kosher. I haven't seen him for years and his health was poor the last time I saw him. I am certain he would have been more comfortable with my Christian perspective than he would be with my non Christian belief system that I now embrace. But I know for a certainty he would be curious about how I arrived at the place where I am now and he would be interested in how I believe it has changed me for the better or for the worse and he would have an opinion ready to share.
My parents while Catholic embraced parts of the church while rejecting other parts purely based upon what they felt was acceptable from a human rights perspective. Thus when I became a part of this company owned by a Jew I was fairly open to learning whatever he could teach me about his belief system and he was willing to talk.
It was a gift for a young gentile girl from a small city. And I will be eternally grateful to have grown up and matured within such a company, protected in many ways, challenged in others, pushed in some ways, given power over others I was not ready for and kept in my place in some others.
It is a world unto itself...to be allowed a glimpse into it as a non-Jew is a privilege to share as you do...well that is something else..kudos to you as it says a lot about how he respects and accepts and trusts you.