A challenge to our dear Christian friends.

mrgrumpy

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Pretty sure? I mean that point is none arguable.


The Gentiles had their part in participation of the Roman Empire.

The Jewish High priest were the only ones on earth authorized to offer up sacrifices to the God of Moses, thereby, Jesus giving them notice that only through Him could they reach their Father was an all out statement of blasphemy and was subject to death.

Pre- planned? Absolutely!

Therefore, as Judas was instrumental in preparing the way for Jesus to be crucified, Judas, the High Priests and all the Gentiles are given life, as only God can in Jesus.

So, the sufferings of the Jew are their portion in the lot.

Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
Both Jesus and the Jewish nation, receive the double portion, and the Gentiles as Barabbas, set free.

But “everlasting Joy” shall be unto them………….but for the moment?

Let us therefore pray for peace of Jerusalem.

Peace>>>AJ

I find it difficult to understand the meaning of what you are saying, but I get the impression you are using biblical scripture to justify the torment Jewish people have been put to. If I'm wrong I look forward to your clarification...and if you could do so without the endless sriptural posts it would probably be clearer.
 

look3467

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I find it difficult to understand the meaning of what you are saying, but I get the impression you are using biblical scripture to justify the torment Jewish people have been put to. If I'm wrong I look forward to your clarification...and if you could do so without the endless sriptural posts it would probably be clearer.

The bible is the explanation for all that the Jewish folks are going through.
If you could but understand the history and the relationship they have with God, you'd understand what it is all about.

Scripture use is of uppermost importance because it is the basis for my explanation.

If I speak of God, then most assuredly, I will use His word.

Your use of quotes from different authors are welcome because they say what they feel and have experienced about life.

Peace>>>AJ
 

look3467

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Not all Jews who say they are Jews are Jews inwardly!

Does that tell you anything?


What an arrogant thing to say. How do you presume to know such a thing? If I say I am a German Catholic for instance what the hell do you know about anything else you suppose I might be 'inwardly'?
Talk about presumptuos.

My friend, that is in the bible and in which the point is, that just because one may say one is a Jew, inwardly, the real Jew is one who abides in Gods laws.

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The heart is where it is my friend!

Peace>>>AJ
 

look3467

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I wonder if YOUR interpretation was the same interpretation the good Christians of Europe cited to justify the wholesale slaughter of millions?

Or did they drag out some other idiocies from the Book of Myths to justify genocide?
Sorry, mrgrumpy, you missed the point entirely.

Peace>>>AJ
 

MHz

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I'm sure Ger is as surprised as I am but I agree with him that the comments are bigoted and racist.
It almost reads like a justification for genocide.

Well grumpy, you answer why the 'west' refused to allow those trains to exit Germany.

Somebody mentioned that 60% of those who were rounded up were Jews, yet they went onto say that the other 40% were 'the least desirable in a society'. Notice how that little statement separates 'Jews' from the 'least desirable'? I doubt that is totally accurate.

What an arrogant thing to say. How do you presume to know such a thing? If I say I am a German Catholic for instance what the hell do you know about anything else you suppose I might be 'inwardly'?
Talk about presumptuos.
If God didn't protect them in their own land they why would they assume they would be when taken as captives into the other Nations? Even when Neb took them captive they didn't start running the country (although Daniel did have some pull), they remained captives. Why would any country want Jews to run their internal and external affairs? Their loyalty is always to that one piece of land. Think any Jew put in a position of importance would delay his return to Israel for the sake of his 'host country'? Think any lawyer would delay his return so he can clear up his cases before leaving. Don't bet on either of those two things happening

The always stellar RCC and the Germans, was the RCC helping Jews escape? I can probably dig up more than a few articles that say they were helping more high-level Nazis escape to South America, with their loot than even lifting one finger to help those who were being rounded up. The US exempted some Nazis from war-crime trials so they could become part of the CIA, another fine example of how they truly felt about those killed in the camps.

Since you weren't there, your opinion that you would have opposed those things is not backed up by any provable fact.

I wonder if YOUR interpretation was the same interpretation the good Christians of Europe cited to justify the wholesale slaughter of millions?

Or did they drag out some other idiocies from the Book of Myths to justify genocide?

So are you admitting the RCC was helping the Germans?
You example of being a German Catholic could be used here, would you just sit by while your Nation was slowly being taken over so that non-German, non-Christians held all the key positions of power, their oath being to 'their kind' alone.

Tell me, O small bag of knowledge, how many of the Jews rounded up were Christians, how many of the other 40% were Christians?

Da:6:24:
And the king commanded,
and they brought those men which had accused Daniel,
and they cast them into the den of lions,
them,
their children,
and their wives;
and the lions had the mastery of them,
and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.

Now what 'head of State' wouldn't double check his facts if he knew who would be affected by his advice?
 
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mrgrumpy

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Sorry, mrgrumpy, you missed the point entirely.

Peace>>>AJ


I think YOU are missing my point - The God of the bible, who committed genocide himself, together with a host of other atrocities sets a rotten example for those poor deluded souls who think the Book of Myths is true.

That's why many folks who call themselves Christian are better and more moral than the imaginary god they worship. And those that aren't copy his evil acts against humankind.
 

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What evil acts against mankind? What has God done to humans that they haven't deserved? He destroyed sodom and gomorah becuas ethey were sinners and homosexuality was occuring there. He had the Isrealites take back Isreal becuase he gave that land to them , and also becuase the people living there were sinners. When did he commit evil acts against mankind?
 

McCaulley

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First of all, i believe the correct word is YOUR not yer. Secondly, my age should have nothing to do with this matter. Just because i am younger than you does not mean that i am in any way less intelligent than you. Finally, i am not an unruly child. One of the ten commandments states that you should obey your parents, i dont like to break commandments.
 

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First of all, i believe the correct word is YOUR not yer. Secondly, my age should have nothing to do with this matter. Just because i am younger than you does not mean that i am in any way less intelligent than you. Finally, i am not an unruly child. One of the ten commandments states that you should obey your parents, i dont like to break commandments.

Seems to me that word is HONOUR ... as in Honour thy father and mother ... and it's open to interpretation. I understand it to mean act in a way your parents can always be proud of you.

Woof!
 

mrgrumpy

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If you want to split hairs the correct English is actually you're, abbreviated from you are;
nevertheless English usage on the net has standard abbreviations to speed up posting, but since yer so intelligent I assume you know that.

For your homework perhaps read the previous posts on this thread and then come back and we can discuss the evil behavior of this god you apparently worship.

Happy reading.
 

MHz

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grumpy, make up your mind, either the unruly child is exhibiting evil behavior or the correction of such behavior is evil. Which is it?