A basic income for all

White_Unifier

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Because it's not in the best interests that the Canadian Centre on Substance Use and Addiction to publish numbers that don't provide the most extreme situation possible.

Think about it Machjo, they used a 15 year window of costs (most likely healthcare related) and ignored the lifetime of tax contributions, not only the sin taxes but the bevy of Fed and prov sales taxes, hidden taxes, etc.

If these costs were truly the big concern for gvt and the Canadian Centre on Substance Use and Addiction, smokes and booze would be prohibited, but the fact is that it's actually gubmint that has the biggest addiction to smlokes and booze by virtue of the billions they collect in taxes on these each year



You're nuts.

Removing that (tax) money from the pockets of the average consumer costs the economy plenty in the form of greater purchasing trends of the average consumer

Don't forget the government's addiction to gambling revenue too. Just wait till the governments expands into loansharking.

It's the size of gubmint that's the issue

Deterring one trafficker requires much less government than treating thousands of addicts.

The power of gubmint is what is important.

The government still need at least enough power to make people respect the law. Imagine if tax evasion brought no punishment whatsoever. Imagine if the government had no right to impose penalties on people.
 

captain morgan

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Don't forget the government's addiction to gambling revenue too. Just wait till the governments expands into loansharking.

Yep

Deterring one trafficker requires much less government than treating thousands of addicts.

The cheapest option is to allow the flood gates to open on those heavy drugs and the OD fatalities will wean many addicts off the substance
 

darkbeaver

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The only idiots that make statements like "there are no jobs" are those that don't want to work. Lots of jobs now and in the future in the trades. With Baby Boomers retiring, there is and will be a shortage of workers.
I have never stopped working and never will untill I stop working.
The joy of life is to wake up with the Sun and realize you,re still working. How does that work?
Work sets us free, eh.
 

Curious Cdn

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I have never stopped working and never will untill I stop working.
The joy of life is to wake up with the Sun and realize you,re still working. How does that work?
Work sets us free, eh.

People still rely on my knowledgeable old fartism.
 

White_Unifier

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Yep



The cheapest option is to allow the flood gates to open on those heavy drugs and the OD fatalities will wean many addicts off the substance

The opium trade in China proves you wrong. Remove the barriers, and it will soon reach epidemic proportions.
 

Curious Cdn

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Old farts versus , well they don,t even know how to fart, I don,t know how they intend to inherit the future, those who can work with snow could be selected over the app screen people who can,t replace light bulbs without night school.

... lots of louts put there. They think that they're having an impact but most of them are pretty forgetible. Maybe, that's why some of them post on here!
 

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Good point. To give money to an addict is like giving a blood transfusion to a man with a severed artery.

If we are to give money to addicts, then we need to crack down hard on the supply to stop the bleeding first so that the blood we give them will actually stay with them.

So no more tax dollars to Big Pharma then.
 

spilledthebeer

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How do you know the stats don't include the offset? Taxes aren't actually a cost to the Canadian economy since they return to the coffers.



Too bad we aren't Singapore. I mean seriously! I buy vegan because out of compassion, so I'm hardly the kind who'd want the death penalty for giggles. At the same time though, a compassionate society needs to crack down hard to deter narcotics trafficking not because we get a kick out of hurting or killing traffickers (since they have family, friends, etc. too and might even have just come down on their luck in life themselves), but we need to care for the addicts too.


I am amazed at the CRAP some people spout! A couple of posts further up on this page ALUNATIC has said "taxes are not a cost to the economy"!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

What a maroon!!!!!! Consider:


I present here a classic illustration of what’s wrong with civil service Hog and LIE-beral logic-by re-posting a LIE-beral economic assertion, along with some comments of my own in brackets):

The Hog statement is this: Canada's Top Ten Pension Funds: Helping Drive National Prosperity.

"As managers of a major portion of all retirement assets in Canada and with more than $400 billion invested in Canada, the Top Ten public pension funds represent a major cornerstone of Canada's financial system and economy at large.

The Melbourne Mercer Global Pension Index, widely considered as the premier international ranking of retirement income systems, has found Canada's to be among the strongest in the world. The Index tracks more than forty indicators of system health in such areas as integrity, adequacy and sustainability. In 2012, Canada ranked sixth out of eighteen countries -- ahead of the United Kingdom, the United States, Germany, France and Japan, among others."

(Oh my-such a tangled web of nonsense being spewed by LIE-beral. As has been noted in the past, Canada is bankrupt. If you look at our best years-those few years just prior to the 2008 melt down-during which western civilization lived on borrowed money and gas prices were sky high-enabling Ottawa to run a surplus of 10-14 billion dollars on taxes from now dead Alberta oil sales-it would still have taken ONE HUNDRED FIFTY YEARS to make a dent in our total national debt!)

(Assume we had kept on producing those 10 billion dollar surpluses for the next 30 years-and that we used that entire 10 billion each year simply to pay down debt-after 30 years we would still have only paid half of our over 500 billion dollar FEDERAL debt! Then add in City of Toronto piling up ita half billion dollar deficits under David Miller. Throw in province of Ontari-owe with-in 2008-a 2.5 billion dollar deficit which has now been added to so relentlessly that Ontari-owe now owes over 315 billion dollars in debt. Add in province of Quebec with a pre 2008 deficit of about 4 billion that has been added to steadily over the years. Add in province of New Brunswick that ran a 14 billion dollar deficit in 2014-in a province with a population of 751,000 and God only knows what New Brunswick truly owes now- and we see that Canada would require close to about 100 years to pay the federal debt-with un-touched provincial and municipal debts soaring WAY PAST what the feds owe during that time!)

(IF-and it’s a BIG IF-we could have kept producing those 10 billion dollar surpluses-its clear from such simple math that it would take us HUNDREDS OF YEARS and maybe-considering how fast provincial and municipal debt is climbing-and adding in the Hog pension promises-it might even be up to 1000 years to pay down our ENTIRE national debt from all levels of govt plus pension promises!

And of course we don’t have those federal 10 billion dollars surpluses-what we have is a federal THIRTY ONE BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT! WITH MORE PLANNED! Yeah-running up debts that may take up to a THOUSAND years and hundreds of generations just to pay off what we have already spent-PLUS the new debts currently being created by LIE-beral govt is GREAT money management-if you are a LOON!)

(The fact that we are less indebted than Europeans is a good thing. But we are NOT fiscally solvent! We are simply the LEAST dead broke of a gang of deadbeats who cannot pay their debts! And at some point printing money and publishing bullshit about our situation wont cut it any more and then watch out for falling debris from our collapsed economy!)

Far from being a fiscal asset-our civil service Hog pension plans are a harmful brake on our economy. Just how Big a brake these pensions are is illustrated by LIE-beral job creation projects-they offer up GOBS of money to any company willing to relocate here! Reduced electricity costs? No problem! Grants and ultra low interest loans for land and equipment purchases? Sure! Even Chinese bankers can set up here-just so long as they have dinner with Our brainless Boy prime minister and give a million dollars into his foundations! If high taxes and soaring electricity costs are not job killers then Why are LIE-berals so determined to prove that the only way to lure jobs here is to offer BREAKS on those govt costs? If lower taxes are good for luring jobs here then why are low taxes-in the Conservative model-not just as good for KEEPING jobs here?)

Ontari-owe LIE-berals were caught carrying 10 billion dollars of OSSTF-high school teacher union pension funds as assets-to make their deficit look less. Yet LIE-berals are struggling to come up with FIFTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in new pension gravy for OSSTF! Without that new pension gravy-which we DON’T HAVE-OSSTF pension fund will be bankrupt by about 2018 according to the out-going chairman of the pension management committee-and LIE-berals want to count part of that 10 billion-about to be depleted OSSTF fund as an asset? With fifty five billion in OSSTF DEBT standing in the wings? HAHAHAHAHA! LIE-beral logic!)

(Even worse, OSSTF is simply one of NINETEEN separate civil service unions who are all in DIRE need of MORE GRAVY or else their pension funds will collapse due to the huge entitlements of Hogs! This is Not a formula for aiding our economy, its tax madness KILLING our economy!)

(LIE-berals have turned our hydro system into a costly slush fund to which they quietly channel gravy to Hogs-gravy gouged from our wallets by smart meters and cunning global adjustments and delivery charges. LIE-berals have sold off a portion of Hydro to their pals and then closed the books so we cannot see their price gouging any more. Their carbon crap and trade scam will be a costly disaster since its modeled directly on the European version which is in utter disgrace. How does imitating dead broke Europeans benefit our economy?)

(Our ENTIRE govt-all four levels are focused on one single thing: HOW to gouge MORE GRAVY out of our hides without enraging voters to the point that huge masses of enraged citizens swarm the ballot boxes in the next election and sweep all LIE-berals into political oblivion! And OOPSIE-that ship might have sailed?)

(ALL aspects of LIE-beral policy are a TOTAL failure-INCLUDING that suddenly not so clever scheme to cater to Hogs for easy access to power. LIE-berals and Hogs have goofed badly-they forgot that the silent majority IS the biggest voting block in the land-and that HUGE block is PISSED at LIE-berals!)

(Its been about 3-4 decades since LIE-beral Pierre Trudope gave Hogs permission to invest their pension money OUTSIDE CANADA! Trudope saw that it would be better for Canada if Hogs kept their money in company stocks here-but it was better for Hog RETURNS on investment to get that third world money-and as always LIE-berals needed those Hog votes-so the foreign investments were allowed and Canada screwed! A great many of those third world companies that have done such a fine job of killing Cdn manufacturers and Cdn jobs were and are funded by Hog pension investments with BORROWED money that WE have to pay back! And how does THAT help us?)

(Civil service pension are funded with BORROWED MONEY-money that we CANNOT PAY BACK! Endless borrowing of money is not an economic driver-it is an economy KILLER-and the fact that LIE-berals want us to believe that borrowed money is good for us is part of the reason we call them LIE-berals!)

(Sadly- LIE-beral understanding of money and economics is similar to that of my 5 year old son- he and LIE-berals as well- simply assume that if you need more money you should just go to the bank- where they keep the money- and get MORE!)
 

spilledthebeer

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No wonder you can't hang a tv.


Quote of the day

"Progressives pride themselves on their highly evolved psyches, their awe-inspiring good intentions and their admirable sense of right and wrong. Indeed, so sure are they that they are right, disagreement can only be an insult. Opposition triggers instant hatred, in a chorus chanted so loudly that nothing said, no evidence presented, will be heard or considered. Indeed, in order to cement a belief, whatever the left decides to believe magically becomes new science, granted an exemption from any sort of scientific process because the leftist has declared that a consensus of leftists makes something scientific. Belief alone is the sole test. This process is, quite literally, detached from reality, as if written by an inebriated Charles Dodgson."
-- Jeffrey T. Brown

LIE-berals are engaged in the `long con`.....ripping us off in the name of good....problem is....the only good they see is THEIR GOOD! They have driven up electricity costs with their green energy plan...which isnt green at all.....wind and solar power are so erratic here in Ontari-owe that Lie-berals MUST keep gas fired generating plants constantly burning day and night-ready at a moments notice to take up the electrical `slack` whenever the wind stops blowing or the sun does not shine-we don’t live on a sea coast and wind here is fitful so the gas plants sit.....burning all day every day just in case they MIGHT be needed while rarely ever producing any electricity.

Even worse, the mostly idle and usually dis-engaged gas plants are fueled with gas obtained by `fracking`.....which involves injecting many thousands of gallons of chemicals (including sulphuric acid) into the ground.....gee...how could that go wrong? Having our drinking water being polluted with sulphuric acid and our air fouled by gas plants that produce very little electricity while green energy producers get PAID NOT to produce electricity on very windy days just so that Lie-berals can claim they are environmental heroes???

And now we have word via The Globe and Mail newspaper that ever scheming LIE-berals have decided it would be good to force us to use electricity in our homes for both heating and cooking-even though it would mean scrapping an array of natural gas operated appliances and also would require some costly re-wiring of houses to provide the necessary electrical outlets. When that bit of news came out and the public screaming started, LIE-berals backed off.....FOR NOW!

But what happens if they win another Ontari-owe election and can press on with their green garbage?

And WHY force us to use electricity? If the only buyer of natural gas is govt electrical generating plants then the cost will go down-its natural supply and demand-less demand means lower prices-and LIE-beral committees SET the price of natural gas!

And LIE-berals will set the price of natural gas according to what is convenient for THEM! AND they will charge for electricity-AGAIN- according to THEIR convenience- and THEY NEED a slush fund- hence the high electricity prices! With the added bonus that they have sold off a small portion of our generating capacity and in the process SLAMMED SHUT public access to their books and they seriously expect us NOT to ask what they are hiding in there!

No need for the public to ever again worry about what costs LIE-berals are generating with that electricity and what profits they are gouging out of our hides for electricity-after all its not as if they have ever lied to us before? About gas plants, the cost and benefits of green energy, ORNG, E-health, the Mars building, the conversion of the generating plant in Thunder Bay to burn `bio-mass` fuel imported form Europe-with a HUGE carbon trail- and which will produce electricity that will cost TWENTY-FIVE TIMES MORE than conventional electricity!

We are expected to just blindly trust the LIE-berals-who just happen to need HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of EXTRA dollars to satisfy the GREED of civil service HOGS who were made a series of INSANE promises by LIE-berals in exchange for election votes that put LIE-berals in power! And time is now running out-the greed of Ontari-owe high school teachers is such that their pension plan-the RICHEST in ALL North America will go bankrupt by about 2018 unless they get fifty-five billion dollars in top up payments!

And of course our Ontari-owe economy is now so lame-with so little heavy industry left that we often produce more `green energy` than we need and thanks to Lie-berals we have no way of shutting off that very erratic excess green production and so on some days we must PAY other people-mostly American states to take our excess energy off our hands.

And now we hear that McWynnty-known to some as The Great Whore because she has sold herself, her party and our future to Working Family Coalition-now is moving to implement her carbon `cap and trade` system.

The cap and trade system is supposed to encourage businesses to be more sensitive to the environment which Lie-berals `claim` will lead to cleaner air. Too bad Lie-berals do not pay attention to European experience in this matter.....TEN YEARS of European cap and trade experience indicate it is a classic Lie-beral style ripoff....implemented with all manner of skullduggery and ripe with back room deals for Lie-beral friends looking for entitlements and spiced with the stink of fraud and corruption as companies play the cap and trade `market` in the same way they played the US sub prime mortgage fiasco! And it’s a lot of the same players in the cap and trade game too! The THIEVES at now disgraced Enron were really hyped about having cap and trade in North America....and if those thieves liked it you know it has to be BAD for ordinary people!!!

TEN YEARS of European experience with cap and trade shows clearly that it does NOT clean the air; all it does is give greedy government hogs ANOTHER NEW revenue stream. And lets get it straight-that is what McWynnty is looking for because ALL the Working Family Coalition pension plans are well on their way to being bankrupt due to MASSIVE ENTITLEMENTS!.

OSSTF-the Ontari-owe high school teachers have been most up front with their fiscal pension problem and they alone will need about 55 Billion dollars in extra payments by about 2018 or else their pension plan will collapse.....and all the others-ETFO, OPSEU, CUPE-the whole alphabet soup of Hogs at the trough are right behind them with cap in hand needing HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars MORE to stabilize their pensions and this is the true purpose of cap and trade-to raise SOME of the money McWynnty NEEDS so desperately to bribe Working Family Hogs and save their votes to keep herself in power and she is prepared to make US pay any price for that. And the idiot NDP is right behind her in this `crap and trade`. NDP assures us THEIR version of crap and trade will be revenue neutral......and I BELIEVE THEM!!!! All the billions they take in will be re-spent rapidly ON HOGS while the rest of us freeze in the dark!


And yes, our Great Whore has plans to alleviate SOME of the burden for seniors and the sick and the poor.....she will subsidize some costs for targeted groups.....problem is her `help` is always LESS then the new costs her actions create! Bait and switch is the motto LIE-berals live by! She will `help`the old and the sick with heating costs....but what of the massive inflation for food and water and clothing and all manner of other costs that will soar as crap and trade hits our economy? All The Whore will have done with her `help` is create MORE jobs for Working Family members who will be hired to administer her new electricity plan and dole out TOKEN `relief payments` to a disappointed few!

Those who have the most money also have the largest carbon footprint-they have larger houses, drive larger cars, drive more often and drive farther, they more often take air trips and airplanes are the dirtiest way to travel, they often own a second property-usually a cottage that will be kept heated all winter but only used for a few days each month....and Working Family members are the best paid in our society. Yet cap and trade is designed specifically to pick the pockets of the poor and compel people who already have the smallest carbon footprint (because they cannot afford more) to further shrink their carbon footprint ....while providing Working Family hogs with the money they need to maintain their already jumbo sized carbon footprint!

We are being impoverished by Lie-beral entitlements. If McWynnty REALLY wanted to be fair and fiscally responsible, the VERY FIRST thing she would do is rip up the old Working Family contract exemption and force them to pay the Health Levy-its not a tax they insist-that NONE of our not so civil servants pay at this time. Yes, one Cdn in three works for government and NONE of them pay the health levy! And carbon cap and trade programs are the really BIG LEAGUE of socialist rip offs...designed only to let a grossly privileged minority maintain their gross carbon footprint while the rest of us starve in the dark and cold!
 

spilledthebeer

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Good- my plan is working- stupid LIE-berals will SLEEP right through the next election!

Here is some more:

Now we have confirmation of the Bob Rae style magic trick that Our brainless Boy Trudope is pushing on us! In Sept/2015 I predicted that if Our idiot Boy was elected-that he would perform a magic trick and make all our jobs and money disappear, I went on to point out that Our idiot Boy is pulling the same tired trick as Bob (BOOB!) Rae and trying to SPEND us rich with BORROWED money. I said it would end badly as money managers around the world have seen this stupid trick before! And now we have confirmation of massive job losses around the country-decent full time jobs replaced by part time crap. Our trade deficit is the biggest ever for the year-though it has pushed upward a little in the last couple of months after utter disaster in the summer months. And where is the benefit of that THIRTY ONE BILLION DOLLARS that Trudope has borrowed in our name? We sure don’t see any of it where I live! Here is the Post media column agreeing with my predictions-along with some comments of my own in brackets):

Trudeau trying to spend Canada rich .Postmedia Network. Stan Behal.
First posted: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 07:39 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 07:44 PM EDT

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is gambling that stimulating the economy by going deep into public debt is the way to cope with tough economic times. And the times are definitely tough.

(LIE-berals keep insisting our economy is “booming” but the soaring debt levels, frozen wages and reduced work hours, the disintegrating infrastructure that is only getting emergency repairs and the total lack of new pubic transit reveals the truth- that the ONLY people doing well are LIE-beral Friends! With the added bonus that Our idiot Boy Justin is deliberately screwing NAFTA simply because he hates Yankees- if NAFTA goes we will take a major hit!)

On Wednesday, Statistics Canada reported our economy shrank by 1.6% in the second quarter of 2016 ending June 30. That’s its worst quarterly performance since the Great Recession of 2009, and slightly more than the predicted downturn of 1.5%.

(And yes- the economy did”Grow” in 2017- thanks to all that borrowed money but it will shrink right back again just as soon as the money has to be paid back! Toronto Red Star newspaper illustrated the illusory nature of such “progress” in its article about the Roosevelt “new deal” in the 1930`s! The illusion of progress with borrowed money is one that LIE-berals and civil service union Hogs want to foster as most of that borrowed money has been ending up in their pockets in the form of pay increases and massive pension upgrades!)

(It’s the pension upgrades that are killing us- Ontari-owe LIE-berals have promised civil service Hogs of OSSTF- our high school teachers- a total of about fifty fiver billion dollars in pension top ups- with eighteen more unions in line to Ontari-owe for hundreds of billions more- we are not allowed to know how much LIE-berals have promised them in exchange for their votes! And we do know that between 2010 and 2012 federal Hoghs were claiming at least three hundred billion dollars in pension upgrades- with that debt having grown steadily since 2012- with LIE-berals again making it clear its none of our business how much their vast promises to Hogs may end up costing! AS for municipal employees- it’s the same vastly costly deal- and none of our business what deals Hogs ansd LIE-berald have cooked up for us to pay! And the crown corporations such as hospitals, ORNGE, E-health, Metrolinx, universities ALL operate with that same deal - that we the public need not know what cheques LIE-beraqls have written IN OUR NAME- so that LIE-berals can cling to power at any price!)


Canada’s trade deficit reached an all-time high of $19.9 billion in the second quarter of 2016, up $3.3 billion from the first quarter.

(And the trade deficit will get worse if Our idiot Boy screws up NAFTA by insisting on bringing in so many illegals- with NO security screening- that Yankees close the border to us because they do not want to import Muslim terror and Russian and Chinese spies and hackers along with their Cdn dairy and lumber products!)

Earlier this month, Statistics Canada reported Canada lost 71,400 full-time jobs in July, only partially offset by an increase of 40,200 part-time jobs, for a net loss of 31,200 full-time jobs.

(There was a BIG bump in part time jobs in November and December and of course these are Christmas jobs and will be gone again with the season!)

That’s the biggest monthly job loss in five years, raising Canada’s unemployment rate to 6.9% from 6.8%, compared to economists’ predictions jobs would increase by 10,000.

(How sad-used to be that people complained about the weatherman-always getting it wrong-now its economists that are wrong and weather predictions are accurate! Cdn corporations are controlling their costs by systematically eliminating decent full time jobs and replacing them with part time crap! And it was LIE-beral Jean Chretien who started monkeying with employment numbers to make his mess look better. Used to be you were “fully employed” if you worked 40 hours a week but thanks to LIE-berals you are now considered “fully employed” if you work 28 hours a week! With LIE-berals calling it a virtue that dead broke- worried about their future- part time workers have the luxury of “free time” to pursue hobbies!)

In last year’s election, Trudeau told Canadians a series of three “modest” annual deficits, followed by a balanced budget in year four, would stimulate Canada’s shaky economy, paying for middle-class tax relief and a multi-billion-dollar public infrastructure program.

(And of course LIE-beral planning indicates that we will endure deficits until about 2040! \Real quality planning there!

Trudeau pegged these deficits at $9.9 billion in 2016-17, $9.5 billion in 2017-18 and $5.7 billion in 2018-2019, followed by a surplus of $1 billion in 2019-2020.

Post-election, Trudeau almost tripled his projected 2016-17 deficit to $29.4 billion, followed by $29 billion in 2017-18, $22.8 billion in 2018-19, $17.7 billion in 2019-20 and $14.3 billion in 2020-21.

Trudeau’s government is only nine months old and has been rocked by some forces it cannot control, from depressed global oil prices to the Fort McMurray spring wildfires which cut oil sands production.

(That`s what happens when you spend it ALL and leave NO reserve. If any little thing goes wrong-and a LOT went wrong this year-then you are screwed as you have no resources to solve trouble. And 2017 promises to bring even GREATER trouble as Trump and tea Party Yankees bring THEIR jobs back home-from us!)

So it’s too early to tell if Trudeau’s strategy of tripling down on debt will work.

But it sounds to us like Trudeau’s trying to spend Canada rich.

(Here we are going into 2018 and I suggest the PROOF is plain before us- Our idiot Boy is having exactly as much success “spending us rich” as his NDPer predecessors did! LIE-beral policy is a TOTAL FAILURE!)

That hasn’t worked in the past -- for example when the Bob Rae NDP government in Ontario from 1990 to 1995 tried to spend its way out of a recession.

(No KIDDING? Every govt in the developed world has spent HALF a CENTURY trying to stimulate their economy-in a world where all manner of stuff is on sale that people want-and cannot afford! A new car-or a better one. New clothes, Cash for retirement. Cash for a house and more cash for house maintenance. Cash for a holiday-which one third of Cdns cannot afford to take any more. Cash for civil service pension promises made by LIE-berals since Hog entitlements are so huge that govt cannot shovel money into their accounts fast enough and they are looking at bankruptcy! Cash for resurfacing roads. Cash for repairing bridges such as the Montreal Champlain Bridge which has HALF its lanes closed due to its dangerously corroded state! Cash for Gardiner Expressway repairs-Gardiner has not decayed as bad as Champlain Bridge but be patient and it will come! BORROWED MONEY cannot solve these things since it ALWAYS has to be paid back-PLUS interest-amortized and compounded!)

We’re skeptical about it working now. And if it doesn’t work, what then?

(WHEN- NOT IF- the spend us rich plan fails-as it did with Bob Rae-then we get a Conservative govt and demand they FIX the messes left by LIE-berals-and we also get a HUGE supply of propaganda and baloney from disgruntled civil service Hogs who are to STUPID to understand economics or politics! How else to explain their slavish acceptance-for decades-of those WORTHLESS LIE-beral IOU`s?)

(And how bad will LIE-beral/Hog propaganda be in future? They are ALREADY spouting nonsense here in contradiction of Cdn news media! Compare levels of reliability: CTV news media quotes Statistics Canada saying on Jan 6/2017 that the number of new jobs created in Canada in 2016 is “statistically insignificant” Now the number crunchers are charged with painting a PRECISE picture of our economy-their jobs are dependent on that! Then read the assertions of civil service Hogs posting on Craigslist-posters who desperately want LIE-berals NOT to be exposed as total failures since it will cost Hogs money and power. Given these 2 motivations-precise pictures on one side and desperate fear that the gravy train will stop running-which version of our economy sounds most honest?)

(The same question of motivation and honesty relates to LIE-beral/Hog claims about Norwegian economy-Hogs desperately want us to buy into the LIE-beral claim they can spend us rich-with HOGS raking off massive lumps of gravy. Do you trust Hogs? Or do you believe the evidence of your own empty bank account and rising pile of bills?)

(Craigslist ranters and LIE-berals insist there are lots of jobs. But do you have one of them? Or do you have need of a new one with decent hours and living wage? How many people do you know that are un-employed or semi employed-and how many of them WOULD work MORE and eanr more if given half a chance? So do you believe propaganda or the evidence all around you?)

(And now-remember that our inflation rates are being driven by LIE-beral GOVERNMENT as they seek to BUY civil service Hog votes! Without those Hog votes, LIE-berals are GONE! Roughly 55 percent of Cdns don’t vote so they don’t give a shit about you-maybe its time you woke up and smelled the propaganda? It wont turn the clock back or reduce prices to dump LIE-berals but it WILL halt the massive tax increases!)

(And the ULTIMATE IRONY: Ordinary Cdns want the truth about our situation and LIE-berals THINK they can defend their FAILED policies with FAKE news!)