9yo girl accidentally kills gun instructor in Arizona

petros

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The girl's parents should be arrested..and the NRA listed as a co-conspirator.. for criminally negligent homicide.

A 9 year old getting Uzi lessons, good grief.. real 2nd Amendment stuff in the U.S. :roll:
She is just trying to make a fashion statement just like Israeli girls.
 

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one word.. ObamaCare.. legislated health care like auto Insurance.. laws change.. some for the better, and some not so much, depending who you are..


Funny Corduroy you bitching at me as if I'm anti-Gun or something... LOL

I do however feel training requirements and age restrictions should be legislated, past that, everyone should be able to have a gun and open carry.

Sounds like infringement to me. And I can't rightly recollect an amendment on health care.
 

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First of all I don't fire a gun don't own a gun and don't want to. Now a nine year old
with a machine gun is really over the top. She should not have been allowed near it.
To suggest however that a child should not have lessons in firing a weapon of less
potential danger is not valid either. Like all things children should be taught safety.
Farm kids handle guns all the time and likely the law has no knowledge of that.
Farm kids also learn to drive on the farm at nine or ten so what. They likely have a
first beer before city kids too so what?
This case is not about the gun and the child its about the stupidity of adults allowing
a child to handle a machine gun really dumb and deadly idea
 

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First of all I don't fire a gun don't own a gun and don't want to. Now a nine year old
with a machine gun is really over the top. She should not have been allowed near it.
To suggest however that a child should not have lessons in firing a weapon of less
potential danger is not valid either. Like all things children should be taught safety.
Farm kids handle guns all the time and likely the law has no knowledge of that.
Farm kids also learn to drive on the farm at nine or ten so what. They likely have a
first beer before city kids too so what?
This case is not about the gun and the child its about the stupidity of adults allowing
a child to handle a machine gun really dumb and deadly idea

I learned gun safety and how to fire a rifle as a part of Air Cadets as a kid. I don't regret learning it but it did not ignite a passion in me for guns. I was 13 when I first fired one. A bit older than 9.
 

WLDB

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ha. Letting 9 year olds handle that kind of weapon is asking for an accident to happen.
 

gore0bsessed

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Oh come on!!

First of all, accidents happen......in pools, on go carts, around playgrounds, etc etc etc.

This was awful, and one should not have had a 9 year old firing a full auto..........but I bought a Savage single shot .22 for my grandson (who just turned 9). The rifle is called the Rascal, and is made for a child (UNLIKE an Uzi).





Beside a 1911 pistol, to give you scale........not my pic, BTW.

Oh, one last thing....the rifle sits in my gun safe........


you're a deranged idiot, stupid enough to argue against a gun restriction for children under 16..
 

WLDB

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The girl's parents should be arrested..and the NRA listed as a co-conspirator.. for criminally negligent homicide.

Technically everything that happened there was legal so it would be hard to arrest anyone, much less try and convict them.
 

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In the whole of 2011, there were 51 gun deaths (of all types - murder, accident, etc) in the UK. 51 - in the whole year. 51.

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Oh I'm SO impressed.

Meanwhile you arrest politicians for quoting the greatest Briton of the 20th century, and allow Muslims to gang rape children by the hundreds because you do not want to be seen as racist.

I'll take the USA, if it comes to a choice.
 

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Blackie,


There's something wrong in America when it has the highest legal alcohol drinking age in the world at 21 (Canada has the second-highest in the world at 19; in Britain it is 16) yet 9 year old children are allowed to fire submachine guns.



There is no doubt that we have a great many inconsistencies and deficiencies in the USA. Drinking at age 21 is a total farce. Allowing a 9 year old to handle a deadly weapon as if it was a play thing is even more absurd. While I strongly favor to right to keep weapons, I am shocked that anyone can be so stupid as to allow a child of such tender years to be even touching a weapon like that. Hopefully, it will force the states to create regulations that promote safety in the use of such weaponry.
 

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There is no doubt that we have a great many inconsistencies and deficiencies in the USA. Drinking at age 21 is a total farce. Allowing a 9 year old to handle a deadly weapon as if it was a play thing is even more absurd. While I strongly favor to right to keep weapons, I am shocked that anyone can be so stupid as to allow a child of such tender years to be even touching a weapon like that. Hopefully, it will force the states to create regulations that promote safety in the use of such weaponry.

This wasn't the first time this happened apparently:

Boy, 8, accidentally kills self at gun show - US news - Life | NBC News

WESTFIELD, Mass.An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair.

The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman’s Club, police Lt. Lawrence Vallierpratte said.

Police said the boy, Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn., was with a certified instructor and called the death a “self-inflicted accidental shooting.”

As the boy fired the Uzi, "the front end of the weapon went up with the backfire and he ended up receiving a round in his head," police Lt. Hipolito Nunez said. The boy died at a hospital.

The boy's father and older brother were also there at the time, a gun club member and school official said. Francis Mitchell, a longtime member and trustee of the club, said he was told the boy's father was supporting his son from behind when the shooting happened.

Although the death appeared to be an accident, officials were investigating.

It is legal in Massachusetts for children to fire a weapon if they have permission from a parent or legal guardian and are supervised by a properly certified and licensed instructor, Lt. Hipolito Nunez said. The name of the instructor helping the boy was not released.

The event ran in conjunction with C.O.P Firearms and Training, said in an ad that people are allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets at the event.

"It's all legal & fun — No permits or licenses required!!!!" reads the ad, posted on the club's Web site.

Messages left on answering machines for the club and the C.O.P. group were not returned Monday.

This was back in 2008.... I also saw not too long ago a video of another boy around the same age at a rifle range trying to fire off a Mac-10 and lost control.
 

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This wasn't the first time this happened apparently:

Boy, 8, accidentally kills self at gun show - US news - Life | NBC News

WESTFIELD, Mass.An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair.

The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman’s Club, police Lt. Lawrence Vallierpratte said.

Police said the boy, Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn., was with a certified instructor and called the death a “self-inflicted accidental shooting.”

As the boy fired the Uzi, "the front end of the weapon went up with the backfire and he ended up receiving a round in his head," police Lt. Hipolito Nunez said. The boy died at a hospital.

The boy's father and older brother were also there at the time, a gun club member and school official said. Francis Mitchell, a longtime member and trustee of the club, said he was told the boy's father was supporting his son from behind when the shooting happened.

Although the death appeared to be an accident, officials were investigating.

It is legal in Massachusetts for children to fire a weapon if they have permission from a parent or legal guardian and are supervised by a properly certified and licensed instructor, Lt. Hipolito Nunez said. The name of the instructor helping the boy was not released.

The event ran in conjunction with C.O.P Firearms and Training, said in an ad that people are allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets at the event.

"It's all legal & fun — No permits or licenses required!!!!" reads the ad, posted on the club's Web site.

Messages left on answering machines for the club and the C.O.P. group were not returned Monday.

This was back in 2008.... I also saw not too long ago a video of another boy around the same age at a rifle range trying to fire off a Mac-10 and lost control.

Yeah....I do not know why these people are letting kids that are too small to control a recoiling SMG handle these weapons. It is just stupid. And I am about as pro-gun as you get.
 

Praxius

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I bet someone is going to sue the gun manufacturer for the death and not take personal responsibility for failing to exercise the proper safeguards.

What like how people sue tobacco companies?


 

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I bet someone is going to sue the gun manufacturer for the death and not take personal responsibility for failing to exercise the proper safeguards.

What like how people sue tobacco companies?



Well, might I point out that people have known that tobacco kills for 50 years, and they still choose to smoke??

Oh, and in the USA tobacco kills over 15 times the number of people killed with guns (480,000 annual tobacco deaths, 31,000 gun deaths)

Oh...and tobacco has no use........

Suing the gun manufacturer would be exactly the same as putting your 9 year old behind the wheel of your Corvette, and then suing Chev when the kid kills themselves or someone else.
 

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Yeah....I do not know why these people are letting kids that are too small to control a recoiling SMG handle these weapons. It is just stupid. And I am about as pro-gun as you get.

I am neither anti-gun nor pro-gun really, I am anti-stupid people though. I think they should be kept far away from firearms of all kinds.

And probably all sharp, pointy objects as well.