9.5 million litres of toxic waste spills in Northern Alberta

karrie

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Then why don't you? Greed and corruption are traits that know no racial boundaries but if your prerogative is to make it a racial comment fill your boots sunshine.

You said you know what they're doing because natives in Sask do it too. I never made it about their race, you did, sunshine.
 

karrie

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Seems to me that the only folks making references to greedy natives and pseudo claims of racism have been you 2.

There was a spill but nobody knows what it is and are going on the word of a Dene Chief?

Does he need a new truck?

Who? Indians that get POed because they need new trucks to keep them quiet but don't always get one? How much does he want?

What spill? The one the Chief who wants more money says exists?

That's a ten second review of the first page guys, come on. Get real here.

So, with this in mind, do the Dene also have an entity that profits directly from the extraction, production and sale of the oil? And if so - what would you call it?... A hardware store?

The definition of an oil company is not 'a company that makes a profit in the petroleum sector', an oil company is a company that directly explores for, extracts, ships, and sells oil.

The Dene bought (and long ago sold), interest in drilling rigs. They are NOT an oil company.
 

petros

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This is the same guy who has been trying to get investment into his "magical chem concoction" that will change how bitumen is processed and same guy who knows full well that the Athabasca river has long been contaminated naturally with heavy metals and isotopes from surface deposition in the Clearwater watershed and figures money will end natures doing so why wouldn't I question his motives and embellishments in regards to this brine spill?

Because I don't buy into his "keepers of the earth" routine it makes me a racist?
 

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Seems to me that the only folks making references to greedy natives and pseudo claims of racism have been you 2.
Guess you've been ignoring Petros' comments then. Neither Karrie nor I commented on those issues until Petros brought them up in his usual style of introducing strawmen and red herrings.

... And the reality is this - The Dene have hopefully negotiated a deal that sees them receiving a direct participation in the actual production of the oil on their land. Commonly organized as a GORR, it translates into them realizing an ongoing revenue stream based on the extraction, production and sale of the oil.... Now, before anyone gets their panties in a bunch over this, what is described just now is above and beyond the drilling revenues they make.
So?

So, with this in mind, do the Dene also have an entity that profits directly from the extraction, production and sale of the oil? And if so - what would you call it?... A hardware store?
An investment company. We have investments in about 2 dozen companies (like Coca Cola, CIBC, etc.) so does that make us a soda company? A bank?
 

petros

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When other Dene and Cree start lauding this guy instead of distancing themselves from him, maybe I'll give him a smidgen of credibility.
 

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The devil is in the details, ain't it?

Clearly. The details thus far have the Dene listed as part owners of some drilling rigs. The details of my discovery project list a Norwegian researcher as an investigator. That doesn't make them anything other than an investigator. The contract is for a service. I send my samples, the investigator analyzes them, and reports the results back to me. The proprietorship of the results belong to my company, not the investigator or their employer. If it worked as Petros is suggesting, there would not be entire networks of contract research organizations devoted to servicing pharmaceutical development. Investments would be made to ensure that the revenue generated by the intellectual property isn't unnecessarily given away. I have to believe that the same would be true for the oil and gas sector when it comes to developing their own assets. If I'm wrong, then the oil and gas sector has some of the most incompetent financial managers of any industry.

Now, is there any document to show the Dene as sharing in the revenue created by selling the commodities? Additionally, a document that lays out the legal liabilities for the entire life cycle of the joint venture? In the absence of clear and explicit statements that lay this all out, it's plain foolish to claim that an entity that exists as a drilling service provider in a joint venture or partnership is also an oil company. They could be both of course, but not necessarily.

We don't enter into agreements with service providers to give away assets. I don't see why EnCana would either.
 

petros

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You know damn well that I'm not a racist. If this prick wasn't using his race to line his pockets and wasn't making himself out to be somebody he isn't then maybe my comments would have read differently.
 

petros

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I never said you were calling me one.

When I attacked this cock sucker I had foreknowledge of his track record. People like this do far more damage to FNs than my comments made in a state of being miffed by embellishments and misleading claims.

Check into him yourself. He's not really somebody worth defending.
 

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The definition of an oil company is not 'a company that makes a profit in the petroleum sector', an oil company is a company that directly explores for, extracts, ships, and sells oil.

Yeah... The proceeds they'll make from the production, extraction and sale of their GORR is the definition of a hardware store.

... Starting to get the picture here on PARTNERSHIP and JOINT VENTURE

The Dene bought (and long ago sold), interest in drilling rigs. They are NOT an oil company.

Look past your nose already.. I've moved past the drilling company long ago

Guess you've been ignoring Petros' comments then. Neither Karrie nor I commented on those issues until Petros brought them up in his usual style of introducing strawmen and red herrings.

I've been laughing my azz off at the crutch that you both lean on when you get backed into a corner


What a compelling rebuttal.

By the way, I notice that you are shy about the responding to the earlier comment inquiring if your services as a mechanic were referred to as a Joint Venture with your client... Maybe you were partners?

Getting it yet?

An investment company. We have investments in about 2 dozen companies (like Coca Cola, CIBC, etc.) so does that make us a soda company? A bank?

Great... Did the Dene pony-up some cash and invest in EnCana?

How about your investments in the 2 dozen companies you mentioned.. Are you a recognized Joint Venture partner with Coke?

Yeah, thought not
 

petros

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Yeah... The proceeds they'll make from the production, extraction and sale of their GORR is the definition of a hardware store.

... Starting to get the picture here on PARTNERSHIP and JOINT VENTURE



Look past your nose already.. I've moved past the drilling company long ago



I've been laughing my azz off at the crutch that you both lean on when you get backed into a corner



What a compelling rebuttal.

By the way, I notice that you are shy about the responding to the earlier comment inquiring if your services as a mechanic were referred to as a Joint Venture with your client... Maybe you were partners?

Getting it yet?



Great... Did the Dene pony-up some cash and invest in EnCana?

How about your investments in the 2 dozen companies you mentioned.. Are you a recognized Joint Venture partner with Coke?

Yeah, thought not
Well said.

As an add on to the comment of farmers, many do take the option and invest in the reserves under their properties which does make them limited partners (and an oil company) and gives them a bigger share of the pie.
 

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I never said you were calling me one.
You sure as hell implied it.

When I attacked this cock sucker I had foreknowledge of his track record. People like this do far more damage to FNs than my comments made in a state of being miffed by embellishments and misleading claims.

Check into him yourself. He's not really somebody worth defending.
You're talking about James Ahnassay, right? I can't find anything derogatory about him.
 

karrie

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Yeah... The proceeds they'll make from the production, extraction and sale of their GORR is the definition of a hardware store.

... Starting to get the picture here on PARTNERSHIP and JOINT VENTURE



Look past your nose already.. I've moved past the drilling company long ago


Yes, I understand partnership and joint venture, and I also understand what EnCana released to their shareholders as the terms of that partnership and joint venture (the release which I posted in here btw), and it clearly states that it is a contractual guarantee of work, not a piece of the pie. I find it interesting that you still imply EnCana is lying to their shareholders about it, based on their publicity article.
 

karrie

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BTW, I own shares in oil companies... I'm still not an oil company. That's not the way it works, no matter how much you try to make up a new definition for 'oil company'.

If you don't understand, why keep going on about something you don't understand.

I don't know, why do you? ;)
 

karrie

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Go bang your melon on the wall some more. maybe it'll knock some sense into you.


Up yours :)

They are not an oil company.

It's yet another weak excuse of yours to try to discredit their opposition to pollution.