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How many of those programs were available in 2001? Hell, you can't even get a decent city street plan in most of New York State (peed-off trucker speakin' here) Even if there was a flight simulator program available to the general public, it still doesn't make it any easier to see through silvery haze and patchy cloud - stuff that's part of the sky below from seven miles up even in perfect CAVU conditions - to find landmarks on the ground. Once you're close enough to NYC, the target's easy enought to spot, but you still have to get there from a course almost opposite the one you'll be on.

Woof!
First off, they weren't at cruising altitude.

And yes, in 2001 civilian aviation schools were running quite a good simulator system. The home versions thereof, were lacking I'm sure.

Even the trainers interviewed by the FBI, stated they were running state of the art sims that the hijackers took considerable interest in. Not only with the details of using, but the manufacturers and such.
 

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Lone wolf,you say that you have driven into NYC . How far away are you when you can first see the city? Once you can see the city,it is only a matter of minutes before you can see the buildings? Now imagine that scenario from up above,it would be quite easy to sight your target,line up and go for it. Even easier for the second plane,because the first one created a giant flare/smoke bomb that could be seen for miles and miles. Does that make sense to you?
 

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First off, they weren't at cruising altitude.
...which brings us to point 2 - radar tracking and rogue aircraft. All four planes are verified to have left their assigned altitudes. All four planes vanished from radar near deck then re-emerged sans transponder data (this is when some folks get the idea the planes may have been "switched") Now, they were rogue. Airspace around them was cleared. At least two people onboard - via company airphone - reported the hijacks to the Airline. Military was advised of the real world situation by ATC. Don't forget - this is the busiest and the most watched airspace in the world with no less than ten fighter interceptor bases within ten minutes flying time. WTF?

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Lone wolf,you say that you have driven into NYC . How far away are you when you can first see the city? Once you can see the city,it is only a matter of minutes before you can see the buildings? Now imagine that scenario from up above,it would be quite easy to sight your target,line up and go for it. Even easier for the second plane,because the first one created a giant flare/smoke bomb that could be seen for miles and miles. Does that make sense to you?

From their perspective, someone who washed out on straight and level flight in a Cessna at no more than five thousand feet up had to turn a big airplane on its tail almost seven miles up and do a near reverse course for over four hundred miles - all without an alert Air Force interceptor messing with the mission (unless whoever it was behind the controls knew they wouldn't be up)

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The planes were remotely piloted from several miles over the target areas, that command and control aircraft was photographed. It also had the advantage of airspace control.
 

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The planes were remotely piloted from several miles over the target areas, that command and control aircraft was photographed. It also had the advantage of airspace control.

I'm just assuming the strikes were made by aircraft assigned to AA11 and UA175 based on DNA evidence allegedly "found" on the scene. Sorta makes me wonder how a government who can lose four airplanes can find conclusive DNA from vapourized passengers. There are questions about alternate aircraft and disguised tankers (below) and I won't even get into the magic performed at the Pentagon in this post....

http://www.libertyforum.org/showfla...umber=295818501&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part

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The evidence is quite stimulating isn't it? You'd think a government on the up and up would reopen the investigation and crush all us conspiracy nuts with evidence wouldn't you? I mean even the W brothers here would vote for that no question right?

That DNA was tough stuff. Wonder how come the fire melted the steel beams but left the DNA intact? I guess I'm just to stupid to understand. I wish I was smart and sofisticated like the W-twins, gee they're knowledgeable. hahaha
 

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...which brings us to point 2 - radar tracking and rogue aircraft. All four planes are verified to have left their assigned altitudes. All four planes vanished from radar near deck then re-emerged sans transponder data (this is when some folks get the idea the planes may have been "switched") Now, they were rogue. Airspace around them was cleared. At least two people onboard - via company airphone - reported the hijacks to the Airline. Military was advised of the real world situation by ATC. Don't forget - this is the busiest and the most watched airspace in the world with no less than ten fighter interceptor bases within ten minutes flying time. WTF?

Woof!
I believe and I'm going on recolection here, it's been awhile since I took a swing at this story...

That the radar systems surrounding NYC are trained lower because of the small craft usage in the area and the small airports in the area.

To top that off...NORAD was running a training operation that day. Which would have deverted all military com traffic to NORAD.

Having been involved in one or two NORAD training excercises, I can assure you it takes two to three weeks to get your orders confirmed, stamped, checked, made out in triplicate and hand delivered by the Domino's pizza Noid guy.

I can see why there was a delay in action.
From their perspective, someone who washed out on straight and level flight in a Cessna at no more than five thousand feet up had to turn a big airplane on its tail almost seven miles up and do a near reverse course for over four hundred miles - all without an alert Air Force interceptor messing with the mission (unless whoever it was behind the controls knew they wouldn't be up)

Woof!
They may very well have, this operation took some serious planning, it wasn't thrown together over night and on a whim.

They may have had advanced intel on NORAD's training schedule. And anyone, and I mean anyone, that has ever been involved in or witnessed a NORAD shakedown excercise, would likely know the knots that get tied.

The planes were remotely piloted from several miles over the target areas, that command and control aircraft was photographed. It also had the advantage of airspace control.
Got a pic to share?

I'm just assuming the strikes were made by aircraft assigned to AA11 and UA175 based on DNA evidence allegedly "found" on the scene. Sorta makes me wonder how a government who can lose four airplanes can find conclusive DNA from vapourized passengers. There are questions about alternate aircraft and disguised tankers (below) and I won't even get into the magic performed at the Pentagon in this post....

http://www.libertyforum.org/showfla...umber=295818501&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part

Woof!
The FBI is quite an advanced group. Their skills have been used the world over in forensics and investigative technology, by many a nation.

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That's the smartest thing you've said all week.
The evidence is quite stimulating isn't it? You'd think a government on the up and up would reopen the investigation and crush all us conspiracy nuts with evidence wouldn't you? I mean even the W brothers here would vote for that no question right?
I'ld support that.

That DNA was tough stuff. Wonder how come the fire melted the steel beams but left the DNA intact? I guess I'm just to stupid to understand. I wish I was smart and sofisticated like the W-twins, gee they're knowledgeable. hahaha
I still haven't seen conclusive proof the steel was melted.

Heated, weakend, bent, but not melted.
 
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[SIZE=+1]The World Trade Center Demolition
and the So-Called War on Terrorism[/SIZE][SIZE=+2]5. Evidence for Explosives in the Twin Towers[/SIZE]

Millions of people around the world watched the WTC events unfold live on CNN on September 11th, 2001, in near-disbelief. They saw huge clouds of smoke billowing over Manhattan and saw the towers collapse ... in a curious way. They did not fall over; they imploded, in the way that most people have seen when a building is destroyed in a controlled demolition: the building does not collapse in a chaotic way, hurling debris over a wide area; rather it collapses upon itself. This was how the WTC towers collapsed.
That the towers were demolished in a controlled manner was noted immediately by some astute observers:
[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]From: "David Rostcheck" <davidr@davidr.ne.mediaone.net>
To: USAttacked@topica.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:12 PM
Subject: WTC bombing
Ok, is it just me, or did anyone else recognize that it wasn't the airplane impacts that blew up the World Trade Center? To me, this is the most frightening part of this morning. ...
If you watch the time sequence, you'll see that it happens like this:
- A plane hits tower #1, blowing a hole in it high up. The expected things then happen:
- The building stays up. A reinforced concrete building is *extremely* strong. Terrorists set off a large bomb *inside* that building without significant damage. ...
- The second plane hits the second tower, lower and moving faster. It blows a bigger hole through it, showering debris on the street, but the building is clearly still standing and still looks quite solid.
- The second building begins burning, also from the impact point up.
- Perhaps a half hour later, the fire in the first building *goes out*. It is still smouldering and letting off black smoke, but there is no flame. ...
- The fire in the second building goes out.
- Then, later, the second building suddenly crumbles into dust, in a smooth wave running from the top of the building (above the burned part) down through all the stories at an equal speed. The debris falls primarily inward. The tower does not break off intact and collapse into other buildings. ... The crumbling comes from the top (above the damage). It moves at a uniform rate. All of the structural members are destroyed in a smooth pattern, so there is no remaining skeleton. The damage is uniform, symmetric, and total.
In summary, it looks exactly like a demolition — because that's what it is.
- The first tower collapses in a similar demolition wave.
There's no doubt that the planes hit the building and did a lot of damage. But look at the footage — those buildings were *demolished*. To demolish a building, you don't need all that much explosive but it needs to be placed in the correct places (in direct contact with the structural members) and ignited in a smooth, timed sequence. ...
— davidr[/FONT] (Full text of this message is here.)[/SIZE]
This message was posted to the internet on September 11th 2001, within hours of the collapse of the Twin Towers. Right from the beginning, some people were not deceived. As the third anniversary of this event approached many Americans were still clueless.


Initially the explosives theory suffered from the problem that the mainstream media did not report that anyone heard explosions just prior to the WTC collapse. But in the last year reports have surfaced, and there is now even video evidence available to anyone which shows that explosions actually did occur within the Twin Towers prior to their collapse.
[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Television viewers watching the horrific events of Sept. 11 saw evidence of explosions before the towers collapsed. Televised images show what appears to be a huge explosion occurring near ground level, in the vicinity of the 47-story Salomon Brothers Building, known as WTC 7, prior to the collapse of the first tower.
... One eyewitness whose office is near the World Trade Center told AFP that he was standing among a crowd of people on Church Street, about two-and-a-half blocks from the South tower, when he saw "a number of brief light sources being emitted from inside the building between floors 10 and 15." He saw about six of these brief flashes, accompanied by "a crackling sound" before the tower collapsed. Each tower had six central support columns.
One of the first firefighters in the stricken second tower, Louie Cacchioli, 51, told People Weekly on Sept. 24: "I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building."
Kim White, 32, an employee on the 80th floor, also reported hearing an explosion. "All of a sudden the building shook, then it started to sway. We didn't know what was going on," she told People. "We got all our people on the floor into the stairwell ... at that time we all thought it was a fire ... We got down as far as the 74th floor ... then there was another explosion."[/FONT]Eyewitness Reports Persist Of Bombs At WTC Collapse[/SIZE]
A Danish website offers a 4-hour video containing visual evidence of what happened on September 11th which has been suppressed or ignored by the mainstream media:

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Video Clips of the falling Towers were often edited in a manner that prevented the TV viewers in getting the "Full picture" of the entire tower collapse. ... During my 1000 hours of video investigation I have found only very few of such "Full picture long distance shots" which showed the entire tower (from top to bottom). Most of the video-clips we saw on Sept. 11 (and in the weeks that followed) would be edited versions ... [which] did not give any evidence of the numerous "clouds" from EXPLODING Bombs "popping out of the windows" of the WTC facade far below the crash level of the collapsing tower. ... Someone in the "editing rooms" did not want to give us the "Full Picture"! But some crucial BOMB video evidence did in fact get out! In my video I will show you 5 significant "DUST CLOUDS" from Demolition Bombs exploding INSIDE the WTC Towers. These "Bomb Clouds" were located circa 20 and 40 levels BELOW the "Crash level" of the falling Towers. ... [T]hey give full evidence of a Distinct Demolition Bomb being exploded FAR BELOW the "Crash-Point-level".[/FONT]Bombs Inside the World Trade Center[/SIZE]

Clear video evidence for the occurrence of explosions occurring during the collapse of the North Tower is given at Visual Evidence of Controlled Demolition.
First look at this video (a wmv file, playable in Windows Media Player) of a controlled demolition, and observe clouds of debris ejected horizontally by explosions placed at several levels in the building to be demolished.Now look at this video of the North Tower collapsing. Two of these can be seen clearly before the collapse descends beneath the viewframe.


Evidence of Explosives In The South Tower Collapse

And it was not only the Twin Towers which were demolished deliberately but also the building known as WTC Seven.
[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not detailed in the monopoly press, some fire-fighters who survived Black Tuesday, contend there were explosions in the buildings, in a portion of the twin World Trade Center towers, separate and apart from the impact of the planes hitting the buildings. ... Were within-the-buildings explosives remotely triggered off to collapse the towers like done with old buildings? And there are good reasons to believe that within-the-building explosives caused the mysterious collapse, late on the evening of Black Tuesday, of World Trade Center Building 7.[/FONT] — Sherman H. Skolnick: The Overthrow of the American Republic, Part 14[/SIZE]​

The Twin Towers collapsed in a very strange manner, leaving almost nothing but metal fragments from the outer shell and huge quantities of fine ash and dust, without the central steel columns from the lower sixty floors either standing or fallen. This is very strange. Look at all that dust (click on the image for an enlargement and for two further pictures of the clouds of dust). It is as if some high-energy disintegration beam had been focused on the tower, pulverizing every concrete slab into minute particles of ash and dust.

Seismic Evidence


But although some kind of "black" technology may have been used in the demolition of the Twin Towers, we do not need to establish this, since their collapse can be explained as a controlled demolition brought about by explosives. In fact (as Christopher Bollyn was the first to point out in his Open Letter) evidence for massive explosions was captured by a seismograph located 34 km from the WTC:
[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A "sharp spike of short duration" is how an underground nuclear explosion appears on a seismograph.[/FONT][/SIZE]
The seismograph which recorded this data was operated by Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. A report was published by the American Geophysical Union in the November 20 issue of Eos, but the authors misinterpreted the data. They assumed, and thus reported, that the two largest signals were caused by the collapses of the Twin Towers. But:

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]During the collapse, most of the energy of the falling debris was absorbed by the towers and the neighboring structures, converting them into rubble and dust or causing other damage — but not causing significant ground shaking.[/FONT] — Dr. Arthur Lerner-Lam, Director of Columbia University's Center for Hazards and Risk Research, as quoted in Earth Institute News[/SIZE]
Christopher Bollyn:
Seismic Evidence Points
to Underground Explosions
Causing WTC Collapse


So if most of the energy of the falling debris was dissipated and was not the cause of the major spikes in the seismic record then what was? Perhaps massive explosions in the lowest (level -7) basements of the Twin Towers, besides the supporting steel columns where they met the Manhattan bedrock? Perhaps even small nuclear explosions? Not Hiroshima-style 15-kiloton blasts but perhaps the sort produced by mini-nukes developed in recent years by the Pentagon? (The term Ground-zero was coined in 1945 at Alamogordo NM to identify the epicenter where the first atomic bomb was detonated.)
This, together with numerous demolition charges detonated at every ten levels or so next to the supporting steel columns, would explain one observation which the official story does not explain: Why were the lower parts of the massive supporting steel columns not left standing after the collapse? If the official story is true, that the damage was caused by the impacts and fires, which occurred only in the upper floors, and that the floors then pancaked, one would expect the massive steel columns in the central core, for, say, the lowest 20 or 30 floors, to have remained standing, which they did not. But this is understandable if the bases of the steel columns were destroyed by explosions at the level of the bedrock. With those bases obliterated, and the supporting steel columns shattered by explosions at various levels in the Twin Towers, the upper floors lost all support and collapsed to ground level in about ten seconds.
Further evidence for explosives is provided by video evidence of the way in which the South Tower collapsed: The top thirty or so floors keeled over at the beginning of the collapse. If the floors had pancaked in the way that the official story has it then these top floors should have fallen straight down. But if explosives somewhere in the region of the impact level had blasted the steel supporting columns in the core then it is understandable that the top floors tilted over (probably in the direction of the damaged corner where the plane hit).
The explosive devices could have been encased in heat-resistant material so that any of them which were exposed to fire would not detonate. If timing was critical then they could be detonated by remote control (a radio or microwave signal) at the right time. Even if the fires disabled the bombs on the levels where the planes hit, they would not disable the bombs on the floors below the fires. No wires, CPUs or timing devices are needed, just some way for each explosive device to respond to the unique signal causing it to explode. Even a timing sequence may not have been needed — simultaneous detonation of each device in the above-ground levels may have been sufficient to produce the intended result.

The Time the Towers Took to Fall

The time t required for an object to fall from a height h (in a vacuum) is given by the formula t = sqrt(2h/g), where g is the acceleration due to gravity. Thus an object falling from the top of one of the towers (taking h = 1306 feet and g = 32.174 ft/sec2) would take 9.01 seconds to hit the ground if we ignore the resistance of the air and a few seconds longer if we take air resistance into account. The Twin Towers each collapsed in less than fifteen seconds, close to free fall (see this video clip, originally from http://thewebfairy.com/911/). Following the start of the collapse the upper floors would have had to shatter the steel joints in all 85 or so floors at the lower levels. If this required only one second per floor then the collapse would have required more than a minute. But the material from the upper floors ploughed through the lower floors at a speed of at least six floors per second. This is possible only if all structural support in the lower 85 or so floors had been completely eliminated prior to the initiation of the collapse. Since the lower floors were undamaged by the plane impacts and the fires, the removal of all structural support in these floors must have been due to some other cause — and the most obvious possibility is explosives. Thus the speed of the collapse (not much more than the time of free fall) is conclusive evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition involving the use of explosives (or some other destructive technology) at all levels.


For a week after the collapse of the Twin Towers there were areas beneath the surface which remained intensely hot.
[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]AVIRIS data collected on September 16, 2001, revealed a number of thermal hot spots in the region where the WTC buildings collapsed. Analysis of the data indicated temperatures greater than 800oF in these hot spots (some over 1300oF).[/FONT] — U. S. Geological Survey Report[/SIZE]
What was the source of this heat? Could it have been residual heat from underground nuclear explosions?


The Twin Towers were not the only buildings in the WTC complex about which questions can be asked. There were other WTC building "collapses".

A way to prove that the supporting steel columns of the Twin Towers had been blasted by explosives would be to examine fragments from them among the debris for evidence of what metallurgists call "twinning". But the WTC debris was removed as fast as possible and no forensic examination of the debris was permitted by the FBI or any other government agency. Almost all the 300,000 tons of steel from the Twin Towers was sold to New York scrap dealers and exported to places like China and Korea as quickly as it could be loaded onto the ships, thereby removing the evidence. See Debris Mountain Starts to Shrink, an article which shows that Controlled Demolition Inc. (a world leader in the demolition of tall buildings) was apparently keen to have the debris removed and disposed of as soon as possible and was able to come up with a detailed plan for doing so within eleven days of the collapse of the Twin Towers, suggesting that this company had detailed knowledge of the Twin Towers and the entire WTC complex prior to September 11th.

As a result of reports in 2001-2002 that the Twin Towers were demolished by the use of explosives there have been more detailed scientific studies appearing on the web. See [this link added 2006-01-19]:

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to the official version, which the 9/11 commission hardly comments on, the twin towers fell because of the impact of the planes and of the effects of the subsequent fires. The problem is that this is physically impossible, as we will show. The fall of the towers thus depends on some other cause: controlled demolition of some kind is the only possible hypothesis. The key to seeing beyond the official version is to chronicle the presence of secondary explosions, since these are the tell-tale signs of controlled demolition. When we examine the literature, we find a multitude of references to such secondary explosions.[/FONT] — Webster Tarpley, The Collapse of World Trade Center 1, 2 and 7[/SIZE]
Download Webster Tarpley's report (it's a 165 Kb PDF file) to read the "multitude of references to secondary explosions" and his comments on former NY Mayor Rudi Giuliani's cover-up of the crime by the quick removal of all the physical evidence.


It might be objected that the WTC employed hundreds of security guards and had hundreds of surveillance cameras (supposedly) operating. With this kind of security it might be possible to plant a few bombs but planting many (and especially bombs powerful enough to destroy the foundations of the supporting steel columns) would seem infeasible. However, the ownership of the World Trade Center changed hands eleven weeks before the attack. The new owner was Larry Silverstein. The destruction of the WTC and George W. Bush's declaration of a "War on Terrorism" has proven to be (and could have been foreseen to be) of major benefit to Israel in its brutal repression of the Palestinian people, its efforts to destroy the Palestinian Authority, which it labels as "terrorist-controlled", and its attempts to dominate all its Arab neighbors. The new owners of the WTC might well have been persuaded to cooperate in a scheme of such obvious benefit to Israel. But if eleven weeks is considered insufficient time to plant explosives then how about several years? This possibility will be considered in the next section.

As of January 2005 REOPEN911.ORG is offering a free DVD demonstrating that
explosives were used to bring the Twin Towers down and that the official story is false.

In January 2006 David Ray Griffin published
Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories

In February 2006 there appeared
Writings of a Finnish Military Expert on 9/11
presenting evidence that small H-bombs were used to demolish the Twin Towers. http://www.serendipity.li/wtc5.htm
 

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Do you know how many holes have been punched in all those theories?

If they were a bowl to begin with, they'ld be a collinder now.

For starters the WTC buildings were a revolutionary and exclusive design. No data on record to determine how that type of skeletal structure would react to such an event.

Then we have the first of its kind of event.

Never in the history of aviation or construction, has such an event of identicle circumstances taken place.
 

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They don't talk about it on TV anymore, but someone tried to make money with unusual stock trades right before the terrorist attacks of September 11. Who knew to bet that United Airlines would lose money?

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Suppressed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Details of Criminal Insider Trading Lead Directly into the CIA’s Highest Ranks [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CIA Executive Director “Buzzy” Krongard managed firm that handled “PUT” options on United Airline Stock [/FONT]
by Michael C. Ruppert

Update: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004706.php

http://www.hereinreality.com/insidertrading.html
 
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Very interesting read, thanx Stretch.

It fits right in with my assertion that the authorities and the powers that be, knew this was coming and allowed it to take place, to serve their interests.
 

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Very interesting read, thanx Stretch.

It fits right in with my assertion that the authorities and the powers that be, knew this was coming and allowed it to take place, to serve their interests.

Exibit B: " knew this was coming and allowed it to take place, to serve thier interests"
Members of the jury, here we have the convoluted reasoning of a true conspiracy theorist.
Members of the jury, I believe this witness is completely unreliable.

The witness cannot make the connection between cause and effect, a fundemental and fatal flaw of reason.
 

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Very interesting read, thanx Stretch.

It fits right in with my assertion that the authorities and the powers that be, knew this was coming and allowed it to take place, to serve their interests.

Exibit B: " knew this was coming and allowed it to take place, to serve thier interests"
Members of the jury, here we have the convoluted reasoning of a true conspiracy theorist.

The witness cannot make the connection between cause and effect, a fundemental and fatal flaw of reason.

Members of the jury, I believe this witness is completely unreliable.
 

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Very interesting read, thanx Stretch.

It fits right in with my assertion that the authorities and the powers that be, knew this was coming and allowed it to take place, to serve their interests.

Exibit B: " knew this was coming and allowed it to take place, to serve thier interests"
Members of the jury, here we have the convoluted reasoning of a true conspiracy theorist.

The witness cannot make the connection between cause and effect, a fundemental and fatal flaw of reason.

Members of the jury, I believe this witness is completely unreliable.

So if they new it was coming and they did not stop it that fully satisfys the "inside job" aspect of the crime. The witness however having no functioning logic still cannot connect the big dots with his crayon.
 

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At Least 7 of the 9/11
Hijackers are Still Alive

National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
The muscle hijackers 'picked by bin Ladin':​
Satam al Suqami, Wail and Waleed al Shehri (two brothers) Both Alive, Abdul Aziz al Omari Alive, Fayez Banihammad (from the UAE), Ahmed al Ghamdi, Hamza al Ghamdi, Mohand al Shehri Alive, Saeed al Ghamdi Alive, Ahmad al Haznawi, Ahmed al Nami Alive, Majed Moqed, and Salem al Hazmi Alive (the brother of Nawaf al Hazmi).
How can the 9/11 Commission be taken seriously when they refer to alive 'hijackers'?

American Airlines Flight 11
Boeing 767-223ER. Fuel capacity 24,000 gallons
Seating Capacity 181
81 passengers (including hijackers)
9 flight attendants, 2 pilots
Alleged hijackers:
Original hijacker list Final named hijackers Mohamed Atta
Adnan Bukhari
Ameer Bukhari
Abdul Alomari
Amer Kamfar Mohamed Atta
Waleed M. Alshehri - Alive
Wail M. Alshehri - Alive

Abdulaziz Alomari - Alive
Satam M.A. Al Suqami​


Scheduled flight: Boston - Los Angeles
Flight departed 07:59 a.m.
Crashed into WTC 1 08:46 a.m.



United Airlines Flight 175
Boeing 767-222. Fuel capacity 24,000 gallons
Seating Capacity 181
56 passengers (including hijackers)
7 flight attendants, 2 pilots
Alleged hijackers:

Marwan Al-Shehhi
Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad
Ahmed Alghamdi
Hamza Alghamdi
Mohand Alshehri - Alive



Scheduled flight: Boston - Los Angeles
Flight departed 08:14 a.m.
Crashed into WTC2 09:03 a.m.



American Airlines Flight 77
Boeing 757-223. Fuel capacity 11,000 gallons
Seating Capacity 200
58 passengers (including hijackers)
4 flight attendants, 2 pilots
Alleged hijackers:

Original hijacker list (ph)
[CNN 9/14/2001]
Final named hijackers Cammid Al-Madar
Majar Mokhed
Salem Al Hazni
Nawar Al Hazni
Mosear Caned Khalid Almihdhar - Alive?
Majed Moqed
Salem Alhazmi - Alive
Nawaf AlhazmiHani Hanjour


Scheduled flight: Washington to Los Angeles
Flight departed 08:20 a.m.
Crashed into the Pentagon 09:38 a.m.


Dulles Airport is ~20 miles from the Pentagon. Why would terrorists intent on hitting the Pentagon chance a round trip of hundreds of miles?


United Airlines Flight 93
Boeing 757-222. Fuel capacity 11,000 gallons
Seating Capacity 200
38 passengers (including hijackers)
5 flight attendants, 2 pilots
Alleged hijackers:

Saeed Alghamdi - Alive
Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al Haznawi
Ahmed Alnami - Alive
Ziad Samir Jarrah


Scheduled flight: Newark to San Francisco
Flight departed 8:42 a.m. (delayed 41 mins)
Crashed in Pennsylvania 10:06 a.m.


Flight 93 was delayed, so why didn't the hijackers head straight for Washington to make up time?​

The story that the hijackers used box-cutters and plastic knives in the attack on the World Trade Center is a functional fictoid. In this case, the function was diversion. This fictoid serves to divert public attentions from the responsibility, and legal liability, of the government and airlines to prevent major weapons- such as guns, bombs, chemical sprays and hunting knives from being carried aboard airplanes. If such illegal devices had been smuggled aboard the planes, the liability could amount to billions of dollars. If, on the other hand, it could be disseminated that the hijackers had only used plastic knives, such as those provided by the airlines for meals, or box cutters, which were allowed on planes, neither the airlines, the screeners at the airport, or the FAA, which regulates the safety of airports, could be held legally responsible. [Full Details]

A lingering question is why the passenger loads on the four planes hijacked in U.S. skies are being described by industry officials as "very, very low.'' ... Through July, airlines in the United States reported flights on average were 71 percent capacity this year. [CNN 9/20/2001]​
The total passenger seating capacity of the four 9/11 airliners was 762 people. There are 229 passengers and crew members on the four death lists issued by CNN (although this figure varies). The total number of passengers on the four airliners was only 26 percent of capacity.

Several major news organizations wrongly identified at least four pilots of Middle Eastern descent as likely hijackers. Two of the wrongly suspected pilots had Arabic names similar to those of two dead hijackers. A pilot living next door to one of them became a third wrong suspect. A pilot with the same last name became the fourth wrong suspect -- even though he'd been dead for a year. [Wall Street Journal]​
The BBC reported a transcript of a phone call made by Flight Attendant Madeline Amy Sweeney to Boston air traffic controls in which she gave the seat numbers occupied by the hijackers, and these seat numbers did not correspond with those of the men claimed by the FBI to be responsible for the hijacking:​
The FBI has named five hijackers on board Flight 11, whereas Ms Sweeney spotted only four. Also, the seat numbers she gave were different from those registered in the hijackers' names. [BBC News]​
CNN reported that the men who hijacked the aircraft used phony IDs containing the names of real people living in Arab nations in the middle east.
The Saudi Airlines pilot, Saeed Al-Ghamdi, 25, and Abdulaziz Al-Omari, an engineer from Riyadh, are furious that the hijackers' "personal details" - including name, place, date of birth and occupation - matched their own. [Telegraph]​
The FBI says there is no evidence to link the above men to the 9/11 hijackings.
In September 2002, [FBI Director Robert Mueller] told CNN twice that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers." [Insight]​
So, one fact is apparent. If those who hijacked the 9/11 airplanes were using stolen identities, then we don't know who they were or who they worked for. We can't. It's impossible.
A Saudi embassy official said it was difficult to know for certain whether the hijackers used bogus names. "You cannot throw a stone in Saudi Arabia without hitting an Al Ghamdi," he said, referring to the alleged last name of three of the hijackers. [Chicago Tribune]​
Now, people who are intending to commit suicide normally don't worry about whether anyone knows their real name, and it is here that some other odd aspects of this case take on a new meaning.
We are told that the group that planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks were highly trained (possibly by the CIA) experts, with knowledge of how to steal identities and forge fake IDs, yet at the same time we are being told that these men were incapable of correctly filling in US visa applications.
We are also being told that they spent the night before the attack getting drunk in bars, making noise, screaming insults at the "infidels", and doing everything they could to attract attention to themselves. They used the credit cards issued in their stolen names, allowed their driver's licenses with the stolen names to be photocopied, and used public library computers to send emails back and forth using their stolen names signed to unencrypted messages about their plans to steal aircraft and crash them into buildings, then decorated their apartments with absurdly obvious props such as a crop dusting manual to the point where the whole affair reads like a low budget "B" detective movie from the 1930s.
In short, these men did everything they could to make sure everyone knew who they were, or more to the point, who they were pretending to be.
Because the IDs used by the hijackers were phony, we cannot know who they really were or who they really worked for. But what is apparent is that those who planned the hijackings and the 9/11 attacks went out of their way to leave plenty of clues pointing to citizens of middle eastern Arab nations.
Many of the investigators believe that some of the initial clues that were uncovered about the terrorists' identities and preparations, such as flight manuals, were meant to be found. A former high-level intelligence official told me, "Whatever trail was left was left deliberately—for the F.B.I. to chase." [The New Yorker]​
We don't know who planned 9/11 attacks.
But we do know who they wanted us to think they were.
We do know who they intended America to blame for the attacks.

Share speculators have failed to collect $2.5m (£1.7m) in profits made from the fall in the share price of United Airlines after the 11 September World Trade Centre attacks. The fact that the money is unclaimed more than a month later has re-awakened investigators' interest in a story dismissed as coincidence. It may be that investors who were able to predict the share price crash so skilfully are reluctant to be seen profiting from tragedy. But investigators now wonder whether there is a more sinister explanation. The authorities are examining the possibility that if they knew what was coming, traders were intent on taking their profits immediately, before regulators had woken up to any possible scam. But investors failed to foresee that the first response of the US stock markets to the disaster was to suspend all trading for four days, thereby denying them the chance of cashing in their profits. [Independent 10/14/01]​
It just so happens that pre-9/11 insider trading leads to the CIA's highest ranks.

See also:
Tracking All Hijackers
The 9/11 Hijackings - Index of What Really Happened


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html