9/11 Remembered

PoliticalNick

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How old are you? Just curious to know how much of that history you have lived and how much of it you "learned" from the internet?

I'm very close to 50. I lived through it. I watched it. I questioned it all from the day it happened because I spent 6 years in the military working in various intelligence departments and have good knowledge of capability both standard and covert. Do not ever believe our governments are incapable of 'creating' a floodgate event to manipulate public opinion into supporting their long-term plans for geo-political control.
 

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Inside job? Only the cover-up. Nobody likes to be caught napping. Best evidence is how many people can actually sit on it and say nothing for fifteen years? I believe a lot the evidence gathered in retrospect just fit the case-building effort to hit someone back to save face


ETA: ...and Walter's red indicates he can't counter (and is trolling for more neg rep)
 

PoliticalNick

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Ooooh...another red from Walnut. Your finger must have slipped Wally because you gave me a green on one. Contact the mods and they can change it if you like. ;-)

Inside job? Only the cover-up. Nobody likes to be caught napping. Best evidence is how many people can actually sit on it and say nothing for fifteen years? I believe a lot the evidence gathered in retrospect just fit the case-building effort to hit someone back to save face

Best case the Bush administration knew it was going to happen and let it happen. Worst case they were involved and sponsored and assisted in the implementation.
 

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The real foil hatters are the ones who refuse to look at the evidence but are oh so willing to shout foil hatter at anyone capable of critical thought. Slaves and sheeple love their masters.
 

Machjo

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As for conspiracy theories, I won't say it's not possible. But to pull off such a conspiracy would need to have had many people in the know.. This would require many people trusting one another to keep it secret and not report anything to the authorities.

Not impossible, no. But extremely improbable. Think about it. That would clearly be a criminal offence, and perhaps treasonable if you're secret service or anything like that. You have to communicate your plan to someone and hope he doesn't report you. You must then ask him to get others on board to help organize this. And he has to get on board and then approach people with this plan himself and hope they don't report him.

With so many people knowing about it, it woudl take only one person to report it to the authorities, or to let something slip and so put the police on their tail, etc.

No, not impossible, but highly improbable.
 

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“America’s strategic and economic interests in the Mideast and Muslim world are being threatened by the agony in Palestine, which inevitably invites terrorist attacks against US citizens and property.”

Eric Margolis Sun Media Sept 2 2001 (nine days before the Sept 11 attacks against New York and Washington DC.)


As Americans enter the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on their nation, they still have not understood the true cause of these dreadful attacks.

Who can blame them? Our politicians and media have totally obscured the truth behind these and subsequent attacks that we call ‘terrorism.’ While we mourn 9/11, US B-52 heavy bombers are raining bombs on what’s left of Afghanistan in a futile attempt to crush tribal forces (aka Taliban) fighting western occupation.

We did the same thing in Laos in the 1980’s, as President Barack Obama properly noted during his visit there last week. Laos has never recovered and Afghanistan won’t either.

Since 2015, the US has dropped at least 32,000 – 1,000-2,000 lb. bombs on Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan and Afghanistan – all Muslim nations. US bomb inventories are running critically low as arms makers work overtime.

9/11 was a revenge attack conducted by mostly Saudi nationals who claimed they wanted to punish the United States for supporting Israeli oppression of Palestine, and for what they claimed was the US ‘occupation’ of Saudi Arabia.

That’s as much as we really know. We have never gotten the full story about 9/11. The best we can do is ask “qui bono,” who really benefitted from the attacks?

The 9/11 narrative was immediately twisted by President George Bush into a spurious claim that America had been attacked by Muslims because of its ‘freedoms’ and her ‘way of life.’ This deceit opened the Pandora’s box from which issued the rising wave of Islamophobia and Crusading fever sweeping over the US and Europe.

America was attacked for what it had been doing all over the Muslim world, not for what it was. Most Americans don’t know that the first CIA ‘regime change’ in the Mideast occurred in Syria, way back in 1948. We’re still at it today.

Ever since, the US, Britain and France – the imperial three musketeers – have been breaking and making regimes across the Mideast and Africa, and installing vicious dictators to do our bidding, earning enemies from West Africa to Tajikistan.

Hillary Clinton said this week that if elected president she would advance ‘American exceptionalism’ and assure the new world order. These are code terms for imperialism and hegemony. If Clinton wins, look forward to foreign and military policy directed by Goldman Sachs and the neoconservatives.

Donald Trump vows a major increase military spending at a time when America’s infrastructure is rusting or collapsing and its debt soaring. Both Trump and Clinton warn of growing security threats to America from ISIS and North Korea. In reality, the greatest internal threat is the type of Saturday night gang shoot-outs in Chicago that have killed 500 people so far this year.

ISIS is a military pipsqueak – a bunch of 20-something hooligans. North Korea only wants to be left alone to its misery. Washington, Paris, and London need the ISIS bogeyman today, just as they needed al-Qaida and the Soviet Union before, to justify budget-busting new arms spending and keeping the population whipped up with bogus war fever.

Internationally, the greatest threat to America’s security is, of course, nuclear armed Russia which has enough intercontinental and sea-launched missiles to wipe the United States off the map. Accordingly, Washington’s most important foreign and national security priority is maintaining calm, well-mannered relations with Russia and its leadership.

Instead, we have Hillary Clinton and her frantic war party neocons trying to provoke Russia at every turn and giving Moscow the impression that she will start a war with Russia. It was precisely such war talk and sabre rattling that in 1983 during the Able Archer crisis brought the US and USSR to within minutes of a full-scale nuclear war.

For all Trump’s bluster and Islamophobia, he is absolutely right about seeking good relations with Moscow. The schoolyard demonization of Russian President Vladimir Putin by the Clinton camp and its tame US media is childish, shameful and unworthy of a great power.

TRUTH ABOUT 9/11 « Eric Margolis
 

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The US certainly exploited 9/11 quite unscrupulously as an excuse to attack Iraq, but I have much difficulty believing that any high-ranking official in the US had a hand in organizing the attack.
 

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*sigh* ok then...

How the 9/11 attacks would have been reported today



11 September 2001: Arabs massacred by Americans in day of ***-for-tat violence

The cycle of violence in America spiralled out of control today when a series of violent incidents left thousands dead, including many Arab and Muslim civilians. UN sources and Al Jazeera have confirmed that many of the Arabs killed were refugee children who had fled from oppression. American claims that they too suffered “many civilian deaths” have been strongly denied by the UN-affiliated relief workers in the Al Qaeda organisation who maintain that the only Americans killed were military personnel and illegal settlers.

The violence started when one of five unarmed Arab civilians, who boarded a 767 aircraft in Boston, was refused permission to fly the plane, despite having a valid flying licence. The American authorities have been imposing increasingly tight restrictions on the freedom of movement of Arab civilians within the US. This humiliation to their dignity has created, not unsurprisingly, deep anger and resentment among Muslims in the US.

When the fully qualified pilot was denied the opportunity to work in his chosen profession, he became understandably angry. The outnumbered Arab men were then attacked by members of the crew, but what really happened next may never be known. What is certain is that all of the five Arab civilians were killed, along with the plane’s other occupants (primarily military and intelligence personnel along with some illegal American settlers) when the plane crashed into the North tower of the World Trade Center.

Al Jazeera and the UN confirmed that the building (which housed a mosque) contained many Arab refugee children, who were all killed in the attack along with a number of Muslim workers. Some illegal American settlers dressed as businessmen may also have perished.

As news of the Muslim civilian deaths became known, it is believed that Arabs on another aircraft reacted with understandable passion, battling with military and security personnel. This plane soon crashed into the south tower of the Word Trade Center. After this second crash the US military ordered an unprecedented grounding of all civilian flights over US airspace, thus denying all Muslims living in the US the right to travel.

On hearing news of this racist attack on their human rights and livelihood, a group of Arab militants on another airplane mounted a daring ***-for-tat strike. With nothing else to lose, and in sheer desperation, the militants crashed the plane they were travelling in into the very heart of the brutal US military machine – the Pentagon – killing scores of soldiers.


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How the 9/11 attacks would have been reported today
 

PoliticalNick

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Missing $2.3T Did the check Rumfelds house on the moon? That's where I'd hide it.

You would think they would get enough funding for covert ops from the $4000 hammers and $8000 toilet seats but I guess when you need to buy 4 commercial airliners and 2 of the largest commercial buildings in existence you need to boost the budget. ;-)
 

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Not even a $1B. Where is the remaining alleged $2.2999T? In orbit or patrolling beneath the waves?

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