75 is good age to die?

[MHz]

MHz I am not going to go line by line to answer.

Whatever. Too much energy required or whatever reason you want to use is fine with me. Few people ever do reply like that, how could they leave out the more difficult parts.

Well, I certainly don't feel guilty about my comfort and well being.....

Greed works like that, as a babyboomer you had the optimal life. North America was in a boom after the war (and because of the war) and reconstruction accounted for many jobs not related to the war industry. Only the war industry survived and it doesn't take in the ones who were in manufactoring. Where your wheels come off the track is you don't want to see ant decline in 'what is owed you' even though you lucked out and were in an era where there was a lot of work. The bull**** that was spread by that same generation to the upcoming generation was that they would have the same opportunities and even more so you better go into debt to get a university education or you won't get one of the better jobs. Now we have more young people entering the working age than there was in 1950 and any the arms industry is hiring and the manufactoring of other things is closing down as the spurt that was needed to catch up what was wrecked in the wars is over and I get the distinct impression that you are blaming the younger generation of not having it as good as you did, about this point any compassion I had for you and your feeble ways pretty much evaporated.

I have earned that much in my lifetime and a great deal more.

Perhaps you should learn to accept that for the 'average' that Canada can supply that you and all the 'babyboomers' were 'overpaid' and underworked. With this group entering the reirement years and they have no productivity to society really and the medical costs and facility housing when family won't take them in is no longer money well spent. After all it was the baby-boomers putting away items that should have been left to the next genetation, now you want even more and the younger workingage ones can go **** themselves as the billions spent on the elderly is not going anywhere, like to the new people just entering the adult years.

Most of the older generation has.

Hogs at a trough is a better example. The same hogs don't think they should ever have to leave the trough so others can move in. Take all the medical care awat from those over 65 which is manditory retirement across the board and I could live with that. It would eliminate people like Cheney from being able to influence anything after he hit that age. It would wipe out the Senate too as being a usless expense. Take all that money and funnel it down to the ones aged 20 or so they can have something resembling a life that doesn't have poverty written all over it.

That is why our bodies are wearing out. However, our hearts are generally still strong. Many are pretty darn smart as well.

What a crock, the body starts to fall apart at about age 35. A few might be smart, all will be set in their ways and change is difficult if not imppossible and more than likely society has changed enough that the ones coming out of a publically funded university are the ones who have their finger on the pulse and rather than having no opportunity to joining the socal developement movement but you have the 'old guard' hanging in there until they are in their 90's and twice as dumb as they ever were but they still call the shouts because they can get replacement parts while 99.999% of the population is denied that same level of care.

Has it occurred to you that perhaps giving everything to the young does little to prepare them for when it is time to stand on their own feet?

There is nothing to give them, in your time unemploynet might have been at 5% for a workforce of 10M, now you have 20% unemployment and the workforce is 20M, then you give them **** for not working and being a dwar on public funds that should be going to you, even though you are no longer working you still deserve a paycheck that has to come from somewhere and that is from the generation below us.

Should they be rioting because they don't get free University education?

The ones who were told to get a university education so they could get a good job are the ones who should be in revolt when they get a menial job in the end and still have a bill of $200K to pay off in loans taken to get that university degree.

Should they be demanding or expecting vacations to exotic places in summer from learning?

Those would be the ones who get the free university educations via parents and that is the only group from all graduates that will ever get any meaningful job that would require that level of training. The ones that go to those places are there because it is a graduation present and the selective few alraedy have careers planed out for them by others. Not one of them is ever at a 'Job interview'.

How long were you able to stay in school without earning something towards your education??

I'm in the trades, practical came before the books so I had an income before I was out of school.

 

[Ludlow]

Well maybe he's wore out and ready for the ole dirt nap.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Whatever. Too much energy required or whatever reason you want to use is fine with me. Few people ever do reply like that, how could they leave out the more difficult parts.


Greed works like that, as a babyboomer you had the optimal life. North America was in a boom after the war (and because of the war) and reconstruction accounted for many jobs not related to the war industry. Only the war industry survived and it doesn't take in the ones who were in manufactoring. Where your wheels come off the track is you don't want to see ant decline in 'what is owed you' even though you lucked out and were in an era where there was a lot of work. The bull**** that was spread by that same generation to the upcoming generation was that they would have the same opportunities and even more so you better go into debt to get a university education or you won't get one of the better jobs. Now we have more young people entering the working age than there was in 1950 and any the arms industry is hiring and the manufactoring of other things is closing down as the spurt that was needed to catch up what was wrecked in the wars is over and I get the distinct impression that you are blaming the younger generation of not having it as good as you did, about this point any compassion I had for you and your feeble ways pretty much evaporated.


Perhaps you should learn to accept that for the 'average' that Canada can supply that you and all the 'babyboomers' were 'overpaid' and underworked. With this group entering the reirement years and they have no productivity to society really and the medical costs and facility housing when family won't take them in is no longer money well spent. After all it was the baby-boomers putting away items that should have been left to the next genetation, now you want even more and the younger workingage ones can go **** themselves as the billions spent on the elderly is not going anywhere, like to the new people just entering the adult years.


Hogs at a trough is a better example. The same hogs don't think they should ever have to leave the trough so others can move in. Take all the medical care awat from those over 65 which is manditory retirement across the board and I could live with that. It would eliminate people like Cheney from being able to influence anything after he hit that age. It would wipe out the Senate too as being a usless expense. Take all that money and funnel it down to the ones aged 20 or so they can have something resembling a life that doesn't have poverty written all over it.


What a crock, the body starts to fall apart at about age 35. A few might be smart, all will be set in their ways and change is difficult if not imppossible and more than likely society has changed enough that the ones coming out of a publically funded university are the ones who have their finger on the pulse and rather than having no opportunity to joining the socal developement movement but you have the 'old guard' hanging in there until they are in their 90's and twice as dumb as they ever were but they still call the shouts because they can get replacement parts while 99.999% of the population is denied that same level of care.


There is nothing to give them, in your time unemploynet might have been at 5% for a workforce of 10M, now you have 20% unemployment and the workforce is 20M, then you give them **** for not working and being a dwar on public funds that should be going to you, even though you are no longer working you still deserve a paycheck that has to come from somewhere and that is from the generation below us.


The ones who were told to get a university education so they could get a good job are the ones who should be in revolt when they get a menial job in the end and still have a bill of $200K to pay off in loans taken to get that university degree.


Those would be the ones who get the free university educations via parents and that is the only group from all graduates that will ever get any meaningful job that would require that level of training. The ones that go to those places are there because it is a graduation present and the selective few alraedy have careers planed out for them by others. Not one of them is ever at a 'Job interview'.

I'm in the trades, practical came before the books so I had an income before I was out of school.

Well wrong guesses right from the get go. I am not a baby boomer......was born before the war. We went into farming in the 50's and were told it was a loosing proposition by those in the business. We were deep in debt until early 90's I worked out 30 years and still did farm work evenings and weekends.


My salary put my kids through school and kept us off of welfare. My kids worked on the farm summers for their education. My son became a master mechanic and one daughter a graphic artist. The other daughter is an executive secretary in a mental health facility.


You are so wrong in everything else that I have not the time to correct them, except that I was in my sixties and was still slinging hundreds of 50 lb. bales into the hay mow, and all the hard work and exercise has put me in better shape than many 1/2 my age.


So if you believe all that stuff, you have a very depressing view of the real world. The young, thank goodness don't post or read here and the older ones already know from whence it comes.


Your view of the world is black, mine is completely the opposite, but then I worked my butt off most of my life and I am reaping the rewards. Oh and I worked summers since I was 11. In those days you could do so without a problem. I have been a cook, housekeeper, saleslady, a medical secretary and finally wife, mother and farmer.

 

[MHz]

So if you believe all that stuff, you have a very depressing view of the real world. The young, thank goodness don't post or read here and the older ones already know from whence it comes.


Your view of the world is black, mine is completely the opposite, but then I worked my butt off most of my life and I am reaping the rewards. Oh and I worked summers since I was 11. In those days you could do so without a problem. I have been a cook, housekeeper, saleslady, a medical secretary and finally wife, mother and farmer.

I'm not begrudging you your success or that of your children but that is hardly reflective of society as a whole and it certainlt still means you were able to reap the benefits of the post war boom.
Try doing today what you were able to do in the '50's. You wouldn't get those opportunities so the fact that a lot of the young of today can't do that speaks of a society that is in decline and it is going back to the before the boom years. Do you need some pics of hobo's riding trains to get a picture of what employment can look like just because the bankers want it that way. Your generation let that happen when you should have been watching out for the next generation. The next generation for the baby-boomers goes as far as their own kids it doesn't cover the rest of them.


My view of the world is black because it is run by the most despicable people that society can produce, members of your generation yet under their guidance you generation helped them get the world into the sad shape it is in today. (except you little piece of paradise you carved out and that is good, what isn't good is that opportunity was for a group of people that spanned about 20 years. I'm thinking you would tell all the Hobo;s to just man up and get a job an quit being so lazy when they are anything but lazy, their biggest crime, being in a society that has 20% unemployment and all that was arranged by the ones running the show. They might impress you as you got some good things from them, you would be in the 5% that got more than you put in and from your posts you deserve it all and more because you are a hard worker, you also sound a bit like you don't see past that and see the seedier side of society. In a society that is working your hard work would have meant that was for you and your children education could have easily been covered by 'society'. You put it in here that you had to work hard to get your kids a decent education but what happens to the ones who don't have somebody who can do that, they are **** out of luck right.
You have shown me one thing, once people get a bit of the good things in life they will hang onto it and **** the rest.

Walter, go fuk yourself and your reds, you got something that needs to come out of that fly-trap you call a mouth then let out. Shouldn't you be out killing some Muslims for the cause?

 

[Walter]

I'm not begrudging you your success or that of your children but that is hardly reflective of society as a whole and it certainlt still means you were able to reap the benefits of the post war boom.
Try doing today what you were able to do in the '50's. You wouldn't get those opportunities so the fact that a lot of the young of today can't do that speaks of a society that is in decline and it is going back to the before the boom years. Do you need some pics of hobo's riding trains to get a picture of what employment can look like just because the bankers want it that way. Your generation let that happen when you should have been watching out for the next generation. The next generation for the baby-boomers goes as far as their own kids it doesn't cover the rest of them.


My view of the world is black because it is run by the most despicable people that society can produce, members of your generation yet under their guidance you generation helped them get the world into the sad shape it is in today. (except you little piece of paradise you carved out and that is good, what isn't good is that opportunity was for a group of people that spanned about 20 years. I'm thinking you would tell all the Hobo;s to just man up and get a job an quit being so lazy when they are anything but lazy, their biggest crime, being in a society that has 20% unemployment and all that was arranged by the ones running the show. They might impress you as you got some good things from them, you would be in the 5% that got more than you put in and from your posts you deserve it all and more because you are a hard worker, you also sound a bit like you don't see past that and see the seedier side of society. In a society that is working your hard work would have meant that was for you and your children education could have easily been covered by 'society'. You put it in here that you had to work hard to get your kids a decent education but what happens to the ones who don't have somebody who can do that, they are **** out of luck right.
You have shown me one thing, once people get a bit of the good things in life they will hang onto it and **** the rest.

Since you have no hope you might as well pack it in.

 

[MHz]

Since you have no hope you might as well pack it in.

You have to identify what the problem is first, at least I know that much so if anybody is in the hopeless realm that would be you as you think the way things are run right now is the way it should stay. That's about as backwards as you can be.

 

[bluebyrd35]

I'm not begrudging you your success or that of your children but that is hardly reflective of society as a whole and it certainlt still means you were able to reap the benefits of the post war boom.
Try doing today what you were able to do in the '50's. You wouldn't get those opportunities so the fact that a lot of the young of today can't do that speaks of a society that is in decline and it is going back to the before the boom years. Do you need some pics of hobo's riding trains to get a picture of what employment can look like just because the bankers want it that way. Your generation let that happen when you should have been watching out for the next generation. The next generation for the baby-boomers goes as far as their own kids it doesn't cover the rest of the




My view of the world is black because it is run by the most despicable people that society can produce, members of your generation yet under their guidance you generation helped them get the world into the sad shape it is in today. (except you little piece of paradise you carved out and that is good, what isn't good is that opportunity was for a group of people that spanned about 20 years. I'm thinking you would tell all the Hobo;s to just man up and get a job an quit being so lazy when they are anything but lazy, their biggest crime, being in a society that has 20% unemployment and all that was arranged by the ones running the show. They might impress you as you got some good things from them, you would be in the 5% that got more than you put in and from your posts you deserve it all and more because you are a hard worker, you also sound a bit like you don't see past that and see the seedier side of society. In a society that is working your hard work would have meant that was for you and your children education could have easily been covered by 'society'. You put it in here that you had to work hard to get your kids a decent education but what happens to the ones who don't have somebody who can do that, they are **** out of luck right.
You have shown me one thing, once people get a bit of the good things in life they will hang onto it and **** the rest.

Walter, go fuk yourself and your reds, you got something that needs to come out of that fly-trap you call a mouth then let out. Shouldn't you be out killing some Muslims for the cause?

Oh yes you do begrudge me. And we did not benefit from the post war boom. We went into farming in the 50's at a time when all the farmers around told us it was a big mistake. Since I sold the farm land two years ago, for many times what we bought it for, it seems there are still people around who feel they can do the same thing as we did. Oh and in our hardest years, we fed hobos and the homeless and out of work whenever they came to our door. For a few years some even slept in the hay mow overnight. Oh AND the depression had nothing to do with the bankers but to do with a country that put so many of it's young and it's resources into a war. It took going into further debt by the country to put money back into the hands of the population to begin the long road back to prosperity. Even a country must invest money to make money, and many times it must be by going into debt.


For goodness sake, the world in Canada's case is in all our hands. I hope you vote and not for those who feel taxpayers do not deserve to reap what they sow. By investing our taxes we have the right to decide how it will be spent...that is democracy. For Pete's sake we get out what we put into life. I have discovered the seedier side of society mostly feel they are owed & have the right to either simply take what they want or whine because they didn't get given it for nothing. Those who are mentally or physically infirm deserve to have the best life we can give them.. Other than a hand up to the deserving who have fallen on hard times, everybody who is healthy should be earning what they want out of life.


Oh and yes, I do not give away money unless I feel it will do some good. There is a reason why parents on welfare sometimes produce children who follow in the same path. They feel they are entitled!! It is no good blaming others for your life. It was given to you for nothing and it was up to you to do with it what you did.

 

[MHz]

Oh yes you do begrudge me. And we did not benefit from the post war boom. We went into farming in the 50's at a time when all the farmers around told us it was a big mistake.

Not about your personal gains, about the fact that 'others' have not accomplished the same is their fault and nobody else. That simply isn't the way the world works.

Since I sold the farm land two years ago, for many times what we bought it for, it seems there are still people around who feel they can do the same thing as we did.

I'm going to have to call you on this one just from my own history of coming from a farm back-ground. Granted we left when I was about 6 but whoever bought the land certainly didn't farm it the way it had been farmed. More on this as it should be something you can relate to.

Oh and in our hardest years, we fed hobos and the homeless and out of work whenever they came to our door. For a few years some even slept in the hay mow overnight.

And you feel that these people were hobos by choice is it? It would seem like your version of farming was the same kind that caused my farther to give up farming. The trend in 1957 was the local farmers all got together at harvest time and followed the threshing machine from farm to farm and that way one machine could serve the needs of 12 farmers. Other than that the 'family' was the work crew. I'm sure you know what the term chores are and apply that to today and most farming parents would be in jail and their property seized under the child labor laws. You admitted to working as an adult from the time you were 11 and do you have one pay-stub for it, of course not. Do you have any views on the 'sweat shops' that make most of the tings you buy these days? Same child labor laws are being broken but in your case you were just being an adult earlier than the slacker kids of today. Apply the work codes that govern any regulated industry and some task cannot be preformed by anybody under 16 and with proper training for such tasks. How much formal training did you or any member of the family get in term of how a business is run. You broken down body is your fault and that of your parents and family simply because the 'farm' was considered to be above normal business practices as done in industry. You admit to being overworked just by the way you moved hay around, and that is after doing it for 30 years the same way and then act like that poor work practice had anything to do with you needing surgery in the first place. Price out how much it would cost you to move that much hay today (one days worth being 8 hours) The farmer with child labor will do it the way you did it, and probably the way you wanted your kids to do it. The business contractor will use fewer peoiple and substitute a machime to do the bulky work. It still takes 8 hours with moving and safety meetings and breaks but the machine does the lifting in just a few hours and 60 years down the road the same machine is doing the same thing and the farmer is sitting in his truck on the lap-top doing the paperwork that is now the bulk of farming chores.
That paperwork is about all the different businesses that are needed by the farmer sine the ground became something that was dead of living things and was there just to hold up the roots. Today that would be called organic farming, that also isn't practice in farming as the fertilizer plants and the fuel suppliers and the equipment manufacturers are the profit makes off farming. They certainly don't care how cheaply the wages are for the farming end, the lower the better as their prices can be higher. Pay the standard wages alone would be enbough to put most farms under unless they doubled their price and that hits the consumer and that isn't such a big deal, when it hits the shareholders in those spin-off companies then it becomes a big deal.

Oh AND the depression had nothing to do with the bankers but to do with a country that put so many of it's young and it's resources into a war.

Really, what facts are you basing that one, an accurate one would include the creation of the Fed in 1913 as having to do with the depression. I can almost guarentee that your version of the two wars and that of Ben Freedman (youtube 1 hr long) is going to be quite different, so far I have yet to see anybody prove that his version is not the truth. If his version is truthful then all other version are in error to some degree or another. Even withou a chart in front of me I'm going to promote that from then our debt grew even faster than it did during the war years? I'ma slo going to promote bthat the going into debt before then had a lot to do with funding businesses that would not have been able to run on their own. Now that has been withdrawn and everybody is blaming the kids for not having a business and all that goes with it. Being a hobo never was and never will be a career choice. The reason their are Hobos is because the banks simple take money out of the supply chain. They are called 'Money Masters' for a reason, you should be a big fan of theiers as you would have been a Hobo yourself if the loans had been withheld.

It took going into further debt by the country to put money back into the hands of the population to begin the long road back to prosperity.

What the hell does that even mean? Look at Canada's nation debt history going back to 1900. War was the reason the debt increased at all and in between it was being paid down. In 1979 Canada gave up the right to print it's own money and have been paying European Banks to do it for us at the price of $30B annually (first few minutes of 'Canada, our sold out native land' as explained by our finance minister Paul Martin. Funny and terribly sad at the same time) Yet he never paid taxes to Canada for his private steanship company so he wasn't entirely stupid all the time.

Even a country must invest money to make money, and many times it must be by going into debt.

I actually tasted vomit for a second there. Fine, pay it off before the next generation comes along. How much was Canada in dept when you started farming and how much in debt when you sold the farm and made a good return, or so you think. Add it all up and allow for inflation you probably were close to slave wages as farming is a family activity that would be that many that should have been drewing down paychecks befitting the work being done. How much total interest did you pay in all those years? How much in back wages are due using todays standards of paying hourly and over-time to anybody doing something related to 'the farm' as that would include gardening as part of the 'hired part is room and board'. Today no child under 16 could be tasked and any hired person was year round and all benefits paid that allowed him to care for his family, still think it could be done today?

For goodness sake, the world in Canada's case is in all our hands. I hope you vote and not for those who feel taxpayers do not deserve to reap what they sow.

When the debt increased and not paid back it is called robbing the next generation. Did you have to pay off oa big Government debt before you could start a busines, no you loans put the country in debt, a debt you never paid off. (and thenm expect the next generation to do that and supply everything for themselves when the economy is as flat as it was before WWII)

By investing our taxes we have the right to decide how it will be spent...that is democracy.

How come paying off the debt never came around, increasing debt is always more fun than paying it off, perhaps that is why you are all cheery and the ones just starting to look for careers sees none available unless you are very well connected through family ties.

For Pete's sake we get out what we put into life.

The wotld is bigger than your own yard, you took, you didn't pay it back, that part is totally escaping you, if the national debt was $3B before you went farming and farming was successful why is the national debt not less than $3B. When the nation goes into debt for you it is a gift (that keeps giving) and anybody not on that boat is not there by their own choice.

I have discovered the seedier side of society mostly feel they are owed & have the right to either simply take what they want or whine because they didn't get given it for nothing.

Nobodt whines louder than the ultra rich when their cash reserves come under threat. If the business owners can arrange it the Company Town would be as good as it ever gets for the employees. If your farm was tasked with debt through that time then the odds are there was excessive interest, money that is taken out of circulation rather than being recycled like it should be. If my view of the world is dark compared to yours that might be that your version of 'bad' doesn't even include ever being in a Hobo's shoes, pun intended.

Those who are mentally or physically infirm deserve to have the best life we can give them..

How about a big tv and broadband and room service. How about the care of the elderly fall on themselves first if they have the funds, then on the family would be next in line, after all those would be the ones showered by the gift that working allowed you to buy and that would leave the social assistance to those who didn't have family as the first line of support. I'm sure the affected would find all sorts of reasons why that plan wouldn't work.
$500,000 so you can do some gardening when the grocery store is 1 block away??!!!??? Here's your flat-screen Dad. Here's your 16" B&W Uncle. Here's your recycled TV welfare guy.

Other than a hand up to the deserving who have fallen on hard times, everybody who is healthy should be earning what they want out of life.

Hard times, like they had to stand in line to be part of that group of slackers. Hobos in your day deserving help if possible, when help is possible (and your benefits help pay for it) suddenly they are slackers who are just refusing to work, like you did, as a child slave, that was your sacrifice right? Slaves only get back-pay if the Courts award it..

Oh and yes, I do not give away money unless I feel it will do some good.

I still trust the Sally-Ann, everybody else is stuck with what my hands can do to help them. About here I would normally insert ". . . and then things went really wrong, . . . ' but no need for that disclaimer here considering the clientele. Maybe even a tad more stubborn about what the truth is and how it can stare you in the face and you don't even see it.

There is a reason why parents on welfare sometimes produce children who follow in the same path. They feel they are entitled!!

Yeah sure, I know a lot of people who would rather have an income of $600/mo compared to $3,000, nobody is stupid enough to believe that ****, well maybe after 6 strokes.

It is no good blaming others for your life. It was given to you for nothing and it was up to you to do with it what you did.

I didn't invent world banking, I doubt anything I say is going to fix it, or ruin it. That doesn't mean it doesn't operate just like that, that it is broken and not fixed is the fault of nobody but the generation that is on retirement row only they want the dough to keep rolling in like nothing has changed.

See how more you learn by going point by point. Normally it would take a few pages to discover as much as you did in just this post. The end-game is about whose picture is cleared about the global picture, the NA topic of most importance is the changing weather pattern. Suddenly the price of used tires skyrockets as it is discovered that the flooding that comes with barren land getting an over abundance of water can be minimized (and repaired) by building dams 3ft tall out of them and putting them in the path of the flash floods. In cases like that you can blame the living as they should know better.

Other than current events that are out of my control I shouldn't even be retired, that doesn't alter any of the above in any way other than I would have been looking into it if I didn't have extra *** time that I currently have. Turns out the ones that have taken up the same hobby I had planned for are losing fingers due to them being a tad clumsy or doing the tasks required was easier when you were younger.

Did I clear up that putting the old ones with the pre-schoolers (under 12) is so the kids can decide which ones get the most food?

 

[DaSleeper]

Gawd... that was one hell of a ramble....

Ramble
2.
talk or write at length in a confused or inconsequential way.
"he rambled on about his acting career"
synonyms:chatter, babble, prattle, prate, blather, jabber, twitter, maunder;

 

[bluebyrd35]

Not about your personal gains, about the fact that 'others' have not accomplished the same is their fault and nobody else. That simply isn't the way the world works.


I'm going to have to call you on this one just from my own history of coming from a farm back-ground. Granted we left when I was about 6 but whoever bought the land certainly didn't farm it the way it had been farmed. More on this as it should be something you can relate to.


And you feel that these people were hobos by choice is it? It would seem like your version of farming was the same kind that caused my farther to give up farming. The trend in 1957 was the local farmers all got together at harvest time and followed the threshing machine from farm to farm and that way one machine could serve the needs of 12 farmers. Other than that the 'family' was the work crew. I'm sure you know what the term chores are and apply that to today and most farming parents would be in jail and their property seized under the child labor laws. You admitted to working as an adult from the time you were 11 and do you have one pay-stub for it, of course not. Do you have any views on the 'sweat shops' that make most of the tings you buy these days? Same child labor laws are being broken but in your case you were just being an adult earlier than the slacker kids of today. Apply the work codes that govern any regulated industry and some task cannot be preformed by anybody under 16 and with proper training for such tasks. How much formal training did you or any member of the family get in term of how a business is run. You broken down body is your fault and that of your parents and family simply because the 'farm' was considered to be above normal business practices as done in industry. You admit to being overworked just by the way you moved hay around, and that is after doing it for 30 years the same way and then act like that poor work practice had anything to do with you needing surgery in the first place. Price out how much it would cost you to move that much hay today (one days worth being 8 hours) The farmer with child labor will do it the way you did it, and probably the way you wanted your kids to do it. The business contractor will use fewer peoiple and substitute a machime to do the bulky work. It still takes 8 hours with moving and safety meetings and breaks but the machine does the lifting in just a few hours and 60 years down the road the same machine is doing the same thing and the farmer is sitting in his truck on the lap-top doing the paperwork that is now the bulk of farming chores.
That paperwork is about all the different businesses that are needed by the farmer sine the ground became something that was dead of living things and was there just to hold up the roots. Today that would be called organic farming, that also isn't practice in farming as the fertilizer plants and the fuel suppliers and the equipment manufacturers are the profit makes off farming. They certainly don't care how cheaply the wages are for the farming end, the lower the better as their prices can be higher. Pay the standard wages alone would be enbough to put most farms under unless they doubled their price and that hits the consumer and that isn't such a big deal, when it hits the shareholders in those spin-off companies then it becomes a big deal.


Really, what facts are you basing that one, an accurate one would include the creation of the Fed in 1913 as having to do with the depression. I can almost guarentee that your version of the two wars and that of Ben Freedman (youtube 1 hr long) is going to be quite different, so far I have yet to see anybody prove that his version is not the truth. If his version is truthful then all other version are in error to some degree or another. Even withou a chart in front of me I'm going to promote that from then our debt grew even faster than it did during the war years? I'ma slo going to promote bthat the going into debt before then had a lot to do with funding businesses that would not have been able to run on their own. Now that has been withdrawn and everybody is blaming the kids for not having a business and all that goes with it. Being a hobo never was and never will be a career choice. The reason their are Hobos is because the banks simple take money out of the supply chain. They are called 'Money Masters' for a reason, you should be a big fan of theiers as you would have been a Hobo yourself if the loans had been withheld.


What the hell does that even mean? Look at Canada's nation debt history going back to 1900. War was the reason the debt increased at all and in between it was being paid down. In 1979 Canada gave up the right to print it's own money and have been paying European Banks to do it for us at the price of $30B annually (first few minutes of 'Canada, our sold out native land' as explained by our finance minister Paul Martin. Funny and terribly sad at the same time) Yet he never paid taxes to Canada for his private steanship company so he wasn't entirely stupid all the time.


I actually tasted vomit for a second there. Fine, pay it off before the next generation comes along. How much was Canada in dept when you started farming and how much in debt when you sold the farm and made a good return, or so you think. Add it all up and allow for inflation you probably were close to slave wages as farming is a family activity that would be that many that should have been drewing down paychecks befitting the work being done. How much total interest did you pay in all those years? How much in back wages are due using todays standards of paying hourly and over-time to anybody doing something related to 'the farm' as that would include gardening as part of the 'hired part is room and board'. Today no child under 16 could be tasked and any hired person was year round and all benefits paid that allowed him to care for his family, still think it could be done today?


When the debt increased and not paid back it is called robbing the next generation. Did you have to pay off oa big Government debt before you could start a busines, no you loans put the country in debt, a debt you never paid off. (and thenm expect the next generation to do that and supply everything for themselves when the economy is as flat as it was before WWII)


How come paying off the debt never came around, increasing debt is always more fun than paying it off, perhaps that is why you are all cheery and the ones just starting to look for careers sees none available unless you are very well connected through family ties.


The wotld is bigger than your own yard, you took, you didn't pay it back, that part is totally escaping you, if the national debt was $3B before you went farming and farming was successful why is the national debt not less than $3B. When the nation goes into debt for you it is a gift (that keeps giving) and anybody not on that boat is not there by their own choice.


Nobodt whines louder than the ultra rich when their cash reserves come under threat. If the business owners can arrange it the Company Town would be as good as it ever gets for the employees. If your farm was tasked with debt through that time then the odds are there was excessive interest, money that is taken out of circulation rather than being recycled like it should be. If my view of the world is dark compared to yours that might be that your version of 'bad' doesn't even include ever being in a Hobo's shoes, pun intended.

How about a big tv and broadband and room service. How about the care of the elderly fall on themselves first if they have the funds, then on the family would be next in line, after all those would be the ones showered by the gift that working allowed you to buy and that would leave the social assistance to those who didn't have family as the first line of support. I'm sure the affected would find all sorts of reasons why that plan wouldn't work.
$500,000 so you can do some gardening when the grocery store is 1 block away??!!!??? Here's your flat-screen Dad. Here's your 16" B&W Uncle. Here's your recycled TV welfare guy.


Hard times, like they had to stand in line to be part of that group of slackers. Hobos in your day deserving help if possible, when help is possible (and your benefits help pay for it) suddenly they are slackers who are just refusing to work, like you did, as a child slave, that was your sacrifice right? Slaves only get back-pay if the Courts award it..


I still trust the Sally-Ann, everybody else is stuck with what my hands can do to help them. About here I would normally insert ". . . and then things went really wrong, . . . ' but no need for that disclaimer here considering the clientele. Maybe even a tad more stubborn about what the truth is and how it can stare you in the face and you don't even see it.


Yeah sure, I know a lot of people who would rather have an income of $600/mo compared to $3,000, nobody is stupid enough to believe that ****, well maybe after 6 strokes.


I didn't invent world banking, I doubt anything I say is going to fix it, or ruin it. That doesn't mean it doesn't operate just like that, that it is broken and not fixed is the fault of nobody but the generation that is on retirement row only they want the dough to keep rolling in like nothing has changed.

See how more you learn by going point by point. Normally it would take a few pages to discover as much as you did in just this post. The end-game is about whose picture is cleared about the global picture, the NA topic of most importance is the changing weather pattern. Suddenly the price of used tires skyrockets as it is discovered that the flooding that comes with barren land getting an over abundance of water can be minimized (and repaired) by building dams 3ft tall out of them and putting them in the path of the flash floods. In cases like that you can blame the living as they should know better.

Other than current events that are out of my control I shouldn't even be retired, that doesn't alter any of the above in any way other than I would have been looking into it if I didn't have extra *** time that I currently have. Turns out the ones that have taken up the same hobby I had planned for are losing fingers due to them being a tad clumsy or doing the tasks required was easier when you were younger.

Did I clear up that putting the old ones with the pre-schoolers (under 12) is so the kids can decide which ones get the most food?

I have no idea on how to respond to your post. Do I start with farming, banking, Canada's debt, weather change, or our welfare system??


First, I guess I will correct a few of your assumptions on farming. The family that bought my land, have been working the land since before the 2nd world war, so I guess family farms still work very nicely. The biggest problem farming has today, is corporations trying to move in on it. That is where we see both animal and human abuse. Poor pay, and no investment in the venture doesn't exactly make for diligence or kindness in those who do not feel a love of their job. It actually produces cruelty and abuse in humans and of animals. Oh and unless a young wanna be farmer these days is lucky enough to be a member of a family farm, has very little chance of getting into the business.


Even back in 1955, buying a farm was expensive. We were in debt not just for the farm but medical ones as well for about 30 years and we did pay every cent back including interest on the farm loans from the government.. I have already told you I worked out because the farm did not support the family for all those years. Also in the 50's we paid for health care, and RH premature twins in a hospital 50 miles from home was very expensive.


I know all about threshing, bailing, and on my lunch hour I fed those workers a 4 course meal sometimes as many as 12. It was fortunate I worked 6 minutes from my place of work wasn't it. The meal was prepared as much as possible the night before, the table set before going out to work in the morning and written instructions on when to turn on oven and stove, right down to the temperature and settings on the burners Oh and a huge coffee urn set up. I didn't get lunch during those days. The best part for me, was occasionally a wife would call me up asking for one of my recipes. Not bad for a city girl


We chose farming for the lifestyle, certainly not for money. In those days, farming was not considered a way to earn ones fortune.


That's all for now. I will deal with the multiple other topics another time. I going out for a walk and later something for supper. I still prefer my own cooking to restaurants.

 

[MHz]

Gawd... that was one hell of a ramble....

Ramble
2.
talk or write at length in a confused or inconsequential way.
"he rambled on about his acting career"
synonyms:chatter, babble, prattle, prate, blather, jabber, twitter, maunder;

Yet this post is overly long as it stands. Go figure, . . . by 11teen words oddly enough.

 

[Spade]

 

[MHz]

I have no idea on how to respond to your post. Do I start with farming, banking, Canada's debt, weather change, or our welfare system??

That's all for now. I will deal with the multiple other topics another time. I going out for a walk and later something for supper. I still prefer my own cooking to restaurants.

That was fine as the opener, either or all or none. I think there was a change in farming that changed from 10 families running 10 farms down to 1 family running 10 farms. Your own sale to an established means farming now supports one less family.
Why I am so dark is also part of the reason for the length of my post so all of that can be used just to add clarity to that. Banking would seem to be the area I see as being the darkest. The same ones that made loans available to your family to get into farming (and survive if you ended up selling for any profit at all) today are just denying any loans to those who would be the 'new farmers/ business men'. That isn't something that randomly moves around.
If there weren't enough directions open already. Money Masters is something you can listen to while walking, if that doesn't make you say 'What??'' a few times then you are a lot smarter than I was when I first came across it.

 

[JLM]

You're a man of few words, Very few!

 

[Spade]

You're a man of few words, Very few!

 

[JLM]

I have no idea on how to respond to your post. Do I start with farming, banking, Canada's debt, weather change, or our welfare system??


First, I guess I will correct a few of your assumptions on farming. The family that bought my land, have been working the land since before the 2nd world war, so I guess family farms still work very nicely. The biggest problem farming has today, is corporations trying to move in on it. That is where we see both animal and human abuse. Poor pay, and no investment in the venture doesn't exactly make for diligence or kindness in those who do not feel a love of their job. It actually produces cruelty and abuse in humans and of animals. Oh and unless a young wanna be farmer these days is lucky enough to be a member of a family farm, has very little chance of getting into the business.


Even back in 1955, buying a farm was expensive. We were in debt not just for the farm but medical ones as well for about 30 years and we did pay every cent back including interest on the farm loans from the government.. I have already told you I worked out because the farm did not support the family for all those years. Also in the 50's we paid for health care, and RH premature twins in a hospital 50 miles from home was very expensive.


I know all about threshing, bailing, and on my lunch hour I fed those workers a 4 course meal sometimes as many as 12. It was fortunate I worked 6 minutes from my place of work wasn't it. The meal was prepared as much as possible the night before, the table set before going out to work in the morning and written instructions on when to turn on oven and stove, right down to the temperature and settings on the burners Oh and a huge coffee urn set up. I didn't get lunch during those days. The best part for me, was occasionally a wife would call me up asking for one of my recipes. Not bad for a city girl


We chose farming for the lifestyle, certainly not for money. In those days, farming was not considered a way to earn ones fortune.


That's all for now. I will deal with the multiple other topics another time. I going out for a walk and later something for supper. I still prefer my own cooking to restaurants.

Good one Bluebyrd- there's one A$$hole on here who thinks seniors are useless, lazy and greedy, who should be reading this. You should maybe send him this in a P.M. I don't dare mention him by name, but if you need a hint it starts with "C" and ends with "K".

 

[DaSleeper]

You're a man of few words, Very few!

That's because he's not satisfied with posting an https video once but twice....for shame tsk tsk...

 

[bluebyrd35]

That was fine as the opener, either or all or none. I think there was a change in farming that changed from 10 families running 10 farms down to 1 family running 10 farms. Your own sale to an established means farming now supports one less family.
Why I am so dark is also part of the reason for Tthe length of my post so all of that can be used just to add clarity to that. Banking would seem to be the area I see as being the darkest. The same ones that made loans available to your family to get into farming (and survive if you ended up selling for any profit at all) today are just denying any loans to those who would be the 'new farmers/ business men'. That isn't something that randomly moves around.
If there weren't enough directions open already. Money Masters is something you can listen to while walking, if that doesn't make you say 'What??'' a few times then you are a lot smarter than I was when I first came across it.

Actually family farms these days are not one family but in the case of the one I sold to 3 families. Two sons and the patriarch & his wife. So my sale supports 3 families and mainly because one son became very allergic to the dust in a milking barn and they needed to branch out into crops more.


Furthermore, when one is in dairy farming as we were, there were two milkings a day and no exceptions. Each milking taking up to 4 hours. In the summertime, cleaning the stable and taking out the manure lessened the time down by two hours. Now you figure out how many hours went into plowing for crops in the fall, working the land in the spring, then planting, and finally taking off the crops that fed that herd over the winter and tell me how many other people even back in the 50's worked those type of hours.


As far as debt goes, none of the young want to go into debt. We did, over 50,000.00. Back then when the average salary was about 3000 dollars a year,so don't even go there!! You have no clue what it took. My husband built kitchen cupboards in his spare time in winter (about two hours a day). I made all the families clothes as well. Even work trousers, white shirts for church and the kids snowsuits. Even then the kids didn't get new overshoes for the snow until it actually fell.


Now I m sure we were not the only farmers that ever felt we were doing right. Every individual sets their life's goal and if they are lucky have a spouse with the same goal. It took us all our working lives to do so. My husband retired and had exactly two years before he died. I do not intend to forego all the modern improvements to health to turn it over to those who had no hand in earning it.


No matter how hard you try, you will not diminish our achievements, nor the pride I have in them. My three children went to college and in the case of one secretarial school, my grandchildren both went to college. They both worked part time as well as having help from parents, just as mine did.

 

[DaSleeper]

Actually family farms these days are not one family but in the case of the one I sold to 3 families. Two sons and the patriarch & his wife. So my sale supports 3 families and mainly because one son became very allergic to the dust in a milking barn and they needed to branch out into crops more.


Furthermore, when one is in dairy farming as we were, there were two milkings a day and no exceptions. Each milking taking up to 4 hours. In the summertime, cleaning the stable and taking out the manure lessened the time down by two hours. Now you figure out how many hours went into plowing for crops in the fall, working the land in the spring, then planting, and finally taking off the crops that fed that herd over the winter and tell me how many other people even back in the 50's worked those type of hours.


As far as debt goes, none of the young want to go into debt. We did, over 50,000.00. Back then when the average salary was about 3000 dollars a year,so don't even go there!! You have no clue what it took. My husband built kitchen cupboards in his spare time in winter (about two hours a day). I made all the families clothes as well. Even work trousers, white shirts for church and the kids snowsuits. Even then the kids didn't get new overshoes for the snow until it actually fell.


Now I m sure we were not the only farmers that ever felt we were doing right. Every individual sets their life's goal and if they are lucky have a spouse with the same goal. It took us all our working lives to do so. My husband retired and had exactly two years before he died. I do not intend to forego all the modern improvements to health to turn it over to those who had no hand in earning it.


No matter how hard you try, you will not diminish our achievements, nor the pride I have in them. My three children went to college and in the case of one secretarial school, my grandchildren both went to college. They both worked part time as well as having help from parents, just as mine did.

I may not agree with your stance on gun control, but I indeed do agree with you that retired people who worked hard all their lives shouldn't be begrudged a healthy retirement....
I worked for 40 years, and for the last 12 years since I lived less than a mile from my work place I would walk to and from work, as I walked to work on the afternoon shift, I would pass by this house where this guy, a welfare bum no doubt, would wave at me with a smirk on his face and a beer in the other hand chatting with some other welfare buddy...I knew for a fact that he didn't have any physical handicap and he had a skidoo out front in the winter time and a boat and motor in the summer for fishing when it wasn't too hot.
I retired early at 58 since I had made a few modestly lucrative investments, and for the next 12 years, when I would pin-up the fifth wheel trailer to go on the road, festival touring for the summer, I would make a little one street detour to drive past his house and I would lean on the horn and wave as I went by...
I would do the same thing three months later when I would come back and also every time when I went camping out with friends in this area...
I hope he enjoyed his life, because all he is now is a "Mall sitter" with a couple of other guys who have no life to speak off.
I made the choice to travel around Canada in the summer instead of going south in the winter......my choice....so...I certainly don't begrudge your choice to travel to Florida with the other Snowbirds.....You earned it....and should never have to apologise for it!
Medical insurance is too damned expensive for me to go....

 

[darkbeaver]

I imagine I'd like it to be in some kind of glorious fashion. If I get the chance.

An explosion at your trash barrel perhaps?

A speeding bus maybe? I like lightening myself.

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel says 75 is a good age for him to die. In fact, he believes we would be doing society and loved ones a favour by doing the same.
"A good life is not just about stacking up the years and living as long as possible. People need to focus on quality of life," he says. "Setting an actual date for a good time to die helps you focus on what is important in your life."

This approacher to 86 disagrees. I would really miss reding the views of others and posting bits of my own.

86 eh, I accept your leadership, you've explored the outer reaches, we must pay attention and learn.