61% of blacks say US race relations getting worse

EagleSmack

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Do you think the whole "Birther" movement would have gained so much traction if he were white? Would people be questioning his college credentials?

What college credentials?

The media always goes after dirt.

Certainly not everyone who disagrees with him is racist, but race was obviously part of the issue for all too many people.
Like the Clintons.

What did Bill say?

"Twenty years ago this guy would be carrying our bags."

But that is OK... he's a Democrat.
 

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Do you think the whole "Birther" movement would have gained so much traction if he were white? Would people be questioning his college credentials?

Certainly not everyone who disagrees with him is racist, but race was obviously part of the issue for all too many people.

That's just rhetoric. Obama held himself out as an historical figure, and used it to his advantage to quell opposition. Moreover, he won't release his academic records.

The accusation of racism is used by the left as a sword to disempower, delegitimize, and marginalize those who oppose conventional leftism.
 

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That's just rhetoric. Obama held himself out as an historical figure, and used it to his advantage to quell opposition. Moreover, he won't release his academic records.

The accusation of racism is used by the left as a sword to disempower, delegitimize, and marginalize those who oppose conventional leftism.

Can you clearly explain why people were demanding his college records?
 

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Not all those who oppose Obama's presidency are racist.
Not all those who support Obama's presidency are "black".
But, I am certain no white racist supports Obama's presidency.
 

BornRuff

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What college credentials?

The media always goes after dirt.

You are avoiding the question that I actually asked.

Do you think any of that would have gained traction had he been white?

Like the Clintons.

What did Bill say?

"Twenty years ago this guy would be carrying our bags."

But that is OK... he's a Democrat.

That certainly sounds like a bad comment.
 

EagleSmack

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You are avoiding the question that I actually asked.

Do you think any of that would have gained traction had he been white?

Absolutely! The media goes after this information all the time and they do not stop. During the 2008 Presidential Election the media even tried to blame John McCain for the fire on the USS Forestall in the 60's because a rocket hit his plane while he was sitting in it. Or when Dan Rather ran a fabricated story on George Bush's military records. Or how about Harry Reid saying that Mitt Romney hasn't paid taxes with no evidence save that someone told him. What about Swift Boat and John Kerry? To this day they talk about JFK and his affairs.

All those stories had traction except maybe the USS Forestall fire.

We could go on and on and on.

But keeping bringing up race. It clearly comforts you.

And BTW... Clinton, Gore, Kerry, McCain, Biden, Bush, Romney have all released their college transcripts.

But personally I could care less whether Obama releases them or not... but since you were making this a topic... there you are.





That certainly sounds like a bad comment.
Ya think?

Not all those who oppose Obama's presidency are racist.
Not all those who support Obama's presidency are "black".
But, I am certain no white racist supports Obama's presidency.

That is a fair statement. But that won't stop OBots for trying to lump everyone that opposes Obama as a racist.
 
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BaalsTears

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Can you clearly explain why people were demanding his college records?

Knowledge is power. Truth is good. No subject is off limits. With the exception of Obama the academic records of all presidents in the modern era have been disclosed so that more is known about them. That's how we know about the dismal academic record of George W. Bush. We should know about flaws so that the information can be used by the public to evaluate each president.

In Obama's case we should know whether he was the beneficiary of Affirmative Action. That is a legitimate subject for discussion concerning his qualifications. We should see his grades. We should know who he is. We should know if he ever sought preference as a foreign student as has been alleged at the time he went by the name Baraka Obama. The information should be disclosed, and let the chips fall where they may. Obama has been characterized as the smartest person to every occupy the presidency. Let the truth be known.

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But, I am certain no white racist supports Obama's presidency.

A white racist who hates African Americans might support the Obama presidency in order to stoke the flames of racial hatred resulting from Obama's use of race to further his personal and ideological agenda.

He's the first homosexual president of colour....

Obama is the first president to hate traditional Americans.
 

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In Obama's case we should know whether he was the beneficiary of Affirmative Action. That is a legitimate subject for discussion concerning his qualifications. We should see his grades. We should know who he is.

If he were a beneficiary of Affirmative Action, that fact alone would be a ringing endorsement for that policy.

All his grades, including those from elementary school?

The fact that many of his detractors are racist should set you free! "Free at last, free at last! Thank Gawd almighty, free at last!"
 

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Interesting discussion on this one. Yes the minorities fall in the lower income
brackets many of those are African American.
The media needs controversy that is also true.
take it to the next level of perception. Clinton's statement about twenty years ago
was made. and yes it was ok because the Clinton's are democrats.
I think the reason is rich white people are perceived to be Republicans that is and
has been the message. Democrats positioned themselves as wealthy putting the
label Rich on the other guys.
When Romney made the statement we will pay attention to the ( was it 47% or something
to that effect) of people who are more educated wealthy or in the thinking mode of the
Republicans he cemented the idea that the Republicans didn't care about anyone else.
True or not perception is what counts and facts have little to do with it.
With poll numbers like this on the subject of race relation this poll favors the Democrats
for they can exploit the sentiment much more than the Republicans
 

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If he were a beneficiary of Affirmative Action, that fact alone would be a ringing endorsement for that policy.

Reasonable people can disagree about the utility of Affirmative Action. But no reasonable person can disagree with the maintenance of secrecy on the subject.

All his grades, including those from elementary school?

Those who hold power should have no secrets because they occupy a position of public trust.

The fact that many of his detractors are racist should set you free! "Free at last, free at last! Thank Gawd almighty, free at last!"

Even a bad person can sometimes speak the truth. Motive is irrelevant to the truth.
 

EagleSmack

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With poll numbers like this on the subject of race relation this poll favors the Democrats
for they can exploit the sentiment much more than the Republicans

As if this is new and shocking news!

It's the same old story DG. There is nothing to exploit son! Git diggin!

If he were a beneficiary of Affirmative Action, that fact alone would be a ringing endorsement for that policy.

It worked for Sen. Liz Warren too!



She's an American Indian! Her mom told her so.
 

BornRuff

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In Obama's case we should know whether he was the beneficiary of Affirmative Action. That is a legitimate subject for discussion concerning his qualifications. We should see his grades. We should know who he is. We should know if he ever sought preference as a foreign student as has been alleged at the time he went by the name Baraka Obama.

You are explicitly saying that these angles of attack are based on his race.

BTW, presidents do not normally release academic records. We only got Bush's records because someone leaked them, not because he chose to reveal them.
 

BaalsTears

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You are explicitly saying that these angles of attack are based on his race.

Some angles, but not all. The existence and utility of Affirmative Action is a legitimate subject for discussion.

BTW, presidents do not normally release academic records. We only got Bush's records because someone leaked them, not because he chose to reveal them.

Notice how I phrased my response to you. I didn't use the word "released." I used the word "disclosed." There is a material difference between the two. Why haven't Obama's academic records been disclosed by someone? Is it because he is an historic figure?
 

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Knowledge is power. Truth is good. No subject is off limits. With the exception of Obama the academic records of all presidents in the modern era have been disclosed so that more is known about them. That's how we know about the dismal academic record of George W. Bush. We should know about flaws so that the information can be used by the public to evaluate each president.

In Obama's case we should know whether he was the beneficiary of Affirmative Action. That is a legitimate subject for discussion concerning his qualifications. We should see his grades. We should know who he is. We should know if he ever sought preference as a foreign student as has been alleged at the time he went by the name Baraka Obama. The information should be disclosed, and let the chips fall where they may. Obama has been characterized as the smartest person to every occupy the presidency. Let the truth be known.



A white racist who hates African Americans might support the Obama presidency in order to stoke the flames of racial hatred resulting from Obama's use of race to further his personal and ideological agenda.



Obama is the first president to hate traditional Americans.

Maybe but he hasn't killed as many as Rosenvelt yet.
 

EagleSmack

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You are explicitly saying that these angles of attack are based on his race.

BTW, presidents do not normally release academic records. We only got Bush's records because someone leaked them, not because he chose to reveal them.

Did Obama do anything to bring this heat on him? Like claim to have a high GPA?