4 reasons why Bradley Manning deserves a medal

[petros]

So you think he is in General Population? I doubt it.

Edit... pre-trial confinement.

Manning was at first detained in a military jail in Kuwait, then transferred to the Marine Corps Brig, Quantico, Virginia, where he was held from July 2010 to April 2011 in maximum-custody solitary confinement. Amnesty International expressed concern, calling the detention conditions harsh and punitive, and 295 American legal scholars signed a letter in April 2011 saying the conditions amounted to a violation of the U.S. constitution.[3] Later that month, the Pentagon transferred him to a medium-security facility in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, where he can interact with other pre-trial detainees.[

 

[EagleSmack]

Read ironside's posts mang:

I updated it. Mea Culpa.

That U.N. assembly you care so little about actually got the job done and moved him to better quarters.

Oh really. Documentation to prove we acted on the UN's demands?

Manning was at first detained in a military jail in Kuwait, then transferred to the Marine Corps Brig, Quantico, Virginia, where he was held from July 2010 to April 2011 in maximum-custody solitary confinement. Amnesty International expressed concern, calling the detention conditions harsh and punitive, and 295 American legal scholars signed a letter in April 2011 saying the conditions amounted to a violation of the U.S. constitution.[3] Later that month, the Pentagon transferred him to a medium-security facility in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, where he can interact with other pre-trial detainees.[

Thanks Petros!

 

[petros]

EagelSmack - For a guy who won't comment on guilty as **** Presidents and their staff because you say you doesn't know enough about the situations.

Why are you perpetually being corrected on Manning? You don't seem to know enough about this case either but you made a SOLID judgementnt didn't you? Why is that?'

Can I see the legal disclosure that you have (you must be his lawyer or the prosecutor on this as you claim to be an authoritarian on this case) that clearly indicates guilty of a crime worth life?

 

[mentalfloss]

Oh really. Documentation to prove we acted on the UN's demands?

Oh I'm sure it was because Manning finally dropped his "suicidal tendencies", lol.

 

[EagleSmack]

EagelSmack - For a guy who won't comment on guilty as **** Presidents and their staff becausae you say you doesn't know enough about the situatiuons.

Why are you perpetually being corrected on Manning? You dion't seem to know enough about this case either but you made a SOLID judegement. Why is that?

I simply don't know every piece of information out there Petros.

I could be like other's and simply defend an indefensible position. I could simply move goal posts like other's do when they are corrected. Would you rather I do that? Or I could use integrity and admit when I am mistaken.

I don't like moving goal posts.

 

[petros]

You moved the post long ago. Long long long ago. A full 110 yards.

 

[EagleSmack]

Can I see the legal disclosure that you have (you must be his lawyer or the prosecutor on this as you claim to be an authoritarian on this case) that clearly indicates guilty of a crime worth life?

I would imagine that you have it?

I am of the opinion that what he did should jail him for life and it very well may happen.

Please tell me where I claimed to be an authoritarian on this case?

You moved the post long ago. Long long long ago. A full 110 yards.

Where?

EagelSmack - For a guy who won't comment on guilty as **** Presidents and their staff because you say you doesn't know enough about the situations.

Are they guilty?

Oh I'm sure it was because Manning finally dropped his "suicidal tendencies", lol.

In other words... you don't have any.

 

[petros]

Please tell me where I claimed to be an authoritarian on this case?

Maybe it's time you spent some time looking into other situations where info was leaked and how the proceedings came out.

Libby and GW were the perfect example of precident yet you just "don't know enough to comment". For a few bucks you CAN get full diclosure.

Do you believe in a fair and just justice system? Equality nationwide no matter who you are or your social status?

 

[mentalfloss]

In other words... you don't have any.

There are only two reasons:

1.) Manning stopped being "suicidal" (a state assumed by the defense dept. before detainment)
2.) The defense department was feeling pressure from the U.N. and had to let him go

Since there is no evidence prior to his detainment that he was "suicidal", it stands to reason that his 8 month stay for the same reason was also moot. And that means they really had nothing to go on to prove any inherent suicidal tendencies.

Now, I'm not going to comment on whether the torture and solitary confinement for 8 months made him a little crazy. I'm sure it did. But the defense dept. obviously can't admit that they would be the catalyst for such behaviour, lol. No, they're basically saying that he was suicidal beforehand, and that's why they had to put him in solitary confinement in the first place (which is obviously bull****).

That leaves the real reason.

Raison numeros dos. (I'm paraphrasing in French-Spanish for both our second-language compatriots). Which just so happened to take place only 1 week after the UN humanitarian torture expert started complaining.

 

[EagleSmack]

Maybe it's time you spent some time looking into other situations where info was leaked and how the proceedings came out.

lol... You seem quite comfortable moving them.

So where did I claim to be an authority on this case again?

Libby and GW were the perfect example of precident yet you just "don't know enough to comment". For a few bucks you CAN get full diclosure.

Just not sure what this has to do with Manning.

Do you believe in a fair and just justice system? Equality nationwide no matter who you are or your social status?

Certainly.

2.) The defense department was feeling pressure from the U.N. and had to let him go

.

And you have documentation?

 

[petros]

lol... You seem quite comfortable moving them.

So where did I claim to be an authority on this case again?



Just not sure what this has to do with Manning.



Certainly.

I haven't touched the posts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggie_Walton cemented them in by setting legal precident on leaked information that placed others in harms way. 30 months $250K although I'm sure a good researcher could find cases were others have walked off.

That's how the justice system and equality works in YOUR country. Those are the posts.

 

[mentalfloss]

And you have documentation?

The documentation where the defense department admits they were wrong? lol

No, this is a job for deductive reasoning my friend.

 

[EagleSmack]

I haven't touched the posts.

Sure you have.

and you can't even answer my question.

So what do you think... would I be in a better position here if I just BS, move goal posts, and simply not take responsibility if I get something wrong?

GW cemented them in by setting legal precident on leaked information that placed others in harms way. 30 months $250K although I'm sure a good researcher could find cases were others have walked off.

That's how the justice system and equality works in YOUR country. Those are the posts.

I doubt it is cemented.

Have you found that post yet... the one where I claimed to be an authority on the Manning case?

The documentation where the defense department admits they were wrong? lol

No, this is a job for deductive reasoning my friend.

Thanks for playing.

 

[petros]

The documentation where the defense department admits they were wrong? lol

No, this is a job for deductive reasoning my friend.

As I said before "No s h i t Sherlock!"

 

[mentalfloss]

Thanks for playing.

Oh don't be like that dude.

What kind of documentation would you need? A release?

Do you really think that the U.S. defense department would admit releasing Manning because the U.N. said so?

What other viable alternative was there for his release then?

 

[EagleSmack]

(you must be his lawyer or the prosecutor on this as you claim to be an authoritarian on this case) that clearly indicates guilty of a crime worth life?

Anything yet?

 

[cranky]

well, it isn't that much of a life, and the crime was one hell of a big one......

 

[petros]

Sure you have.

and you can't even answer my question.

I doubt it is cemented.

Have you found that post yet... the one where I claimed to be an authority on the Manning case?

I never said you were. So I can't answer to something I didn't say. I asked if you have full disclosure to make the decision of a seriously long prison term in the same way anyone can access the disclsure of the Libby case were precident has been set quite clearly.

Precident has been set. It wasn't my doing.

Any person in the world can access that tidbit and your justice system and the precident system are the goal posts.

I haven't touched a damn thing and you know that too. Try and game play all you want but stay within the sidelines which are set by the justice system as well.

 

[EagleSmack]

Oh don't be like that dude.

Well you're making a statement that we caved into the UN because you would love that to happen. That is the only reason.

What kind of documentation would you need? A release?

Proof... start with that.

Do you really think that the U.S. defense department would admit releasing Manning because the U.N. said so?

I don't think the US would jump at the word of the UN.

What other viable alternative was there for his release then?

I'd say what Petros posted was a little more accurate. I could see the Obama Administration caving into that.

Can I see the legal disclosure that you have (you must be his lawyer or the prosecutor on this as you claim to be an authoritarian on this case) that clearly indicates guilty of a crime worth life?

Excuse me? You didn't say this?

I never said you were. So I can't answer to something I didn't say.

Uh huh

 

[cranky]

I think you two need to hug :evil: