If 80% of the population are on one side of an issue, and 20% on the other side of an issue, who are the fringe? This sounds familiar somehow.
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Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said that a new travel advisory warning Canadians who are LGBTQ to be careful travelling in some parts of the United States is in no way politically motivated, and is meant to focus on Canadians’ safety.
On Tuesday, Global Affairs Canada updated its travel advisories website for Canadian travellers visiting the United States. It now reads: “Some states have enacted laws and policies that may affect 2SLGBTQI+ persons. Check relevant state and local laws.”
Freeland defended the advisory, which she said was initiated by the public service, when she was asked about it at a press conference in Moncton on Tuesday.
“Let Me Be Perfectly Clear….”
“…As someone who has had the real privilege of serving as Canada’s foreign minister, I know that our travel advisories are done very professionally,” she said.
“We have professionals in the government whose job is to look carefully around the world and to monitor whether there are particular dangers to particular groups of Canadians. That’s their job and it’s the right thing to do,” she added.
No states are specifically identified in Canada’s travel advisory. In recent months, some Republican state governments have advanced bills that include limits on public drag shows and prohibit permanent medical transitions for children seeking to change their gender.
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Freeland, who was foreign minister when Canada renegotiated NAFTA with the Trump administration, said she has experience dealing with American leaders of various political stripes. She dismissed suggestions that the new advisory would strain Canada’s relationship with its closest neighbour and trading partner.
Freeland however refused to tell reporters if the Liberal government had discussed the new travel advisory with the Biden administration, insisting that such decisions are made independently.
(As of this point, there is no new travel advisory warning Canadians who are LGBTQ to be careful travelling in some parts of Canada like New Brunswick or Saskatchewan or maybe Manitoba soon?)
On Tuesday, Global Affairs Canada updated its travel advisories website for Canadian travellers visiting the United States. It now reads: “Some states have enacted laws and policies that may affect 2SLGBTQI+ persons. Check relevant state and local laws.”
Freeland defended the advisory, which she said was initiated by the public service, when she was asked about it at a press conference in Moncton on Tuesday.
“Let Me Be Perfectly Clear….”
“…As someone who has had the real privilege of serving as Canada’s foreign minister, I know that our travel advisories are done very professionally,” she said.
“We have professionals in the government whose job is to look carefully around the world and to monitor whether there are particular dangers to particular groups of Canadians. That’s their job and it’s the right thing to do,” she added.
No states are specifically identified in Canada’s travel advisory. In recent months, some Republican state governments have advanced bills that include limits on public drag shows and prohibit permanent medical transitions for children seeking to change their gender.
Freeland defends Ottawa's advisory cautioning LGBTQ Canadians travelling to U.S. — National Post
On Tuesday morning, Global Affairs Canada updated its website for travellers going to the United States
Freeland, who was foreign minister when Canada renegotiated NAFTA with the Trump administration, said she has experience dealing with American leaders of various political stripes. She dismissed suggestions that the new advisory would strain Canada’s relationship with its closest neighbour and trading partner.
Freeland however refused to tell reporters if the Liberal government had discussed the new travel advisory with the Biden administration, insisting that such decisions are made independently.
(As of this point, there is no new travel advisory warning Canadians who are LGBTQ to be careful travelling in some parts of Canada like New Brunswick or Saskatchewan or maybe Manitoba soon?)
What the actual fuck? Touch grass not turf.Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said that a new travel advisory warning Canadians who are LGBTQ to be careful travelling in some parts of the United States is in no way politically motivated, and is meant to focus on Canadians’ safety.
On Tuesday, Global Affairs Canada updated its travel advisories website for Canadian travellers visiting the United States. It now reads: “Some states have enacted laws and policies that may affect 2SLGBTQI+ persons. Check relevant state and local laws.”
Freeland defended the advisory, which she said was initiated by the public service, when she was asked about it at a press conference in Moncton on Tuesday.
“Let Me Be Perfectly Clear….”
“…As someone who has had the real privilege of serving as Canada’s foreign minister, I know that our travel advisories are done very professionally,” she said.
“We have professionals in the government whose job is to look carefully around the world and to monitor whether there are particular dangers to particular groups of Canadians. That’s their job and it’s the right thing to do,” she added.
No states are specifically identified in Canada’s travel advisory. In recent months, some Republican state governments have advanced bills that include limits on public drag shows and prohibit permanent medical transitions for children seeking to change their gender.
Freeland defends Ottawa's advisory cautioning LGBTQ Canadians travelling to U.S. — National Post
On Tuesday morning, Global Affairs Canada updated its website for travellers going to the United States
Freeland, who was foreign minister when Canada renegotiated NAFTA with the Trump administration, said she has experience dealing with American leaders of various political stripes. She dismissed suggestions that the new advisory would strain Canada’s relationship with its closest neighbour and trading partner.
Freeland however refused to tell reporters if the Liberal government had discussed the new travel advisory with the Biden administration, insisting that such decisions are made independently.
(As of this point, there is no new travel advisory warning Canadians who are LGBTQ to be careful travelling in some parts of Canada like New Brunswick or Saskatchewan or maybe Manitoba soon?)
Stupid linebackers.
Here’s a different perspective again:
We should recognize that some children come from homes where safety is a concern. However, abuse can happen in situations unrelated to transgender issues, and school boards have procedures to deal with such heartbreaking situations. Some children might be in harm’s way from a violent parent if they get a bad grade on their report card, but no one has proposed that we stop sharing student’s academic performance with parents out of a fear of a parent’s response.
When educators hold credible concerns about the safety of a student’s household, this is directed to the attention of Children’s Aid Services, which have the power to access the household and the expertise to support families through these challenging situations. This process has worked for countless other difficult family situations, and there’s no reason to handle gender identity differently.
The recent statements of education ministers across this country are encouraging, but revised policies are not yet in place. So, for the time being, I’ll be requested by my school to update them when my daughter’s allergies have changed, but in return I’ll be kept in the dark if my child shares a desire to proceed down a path of hormonal and surgical intervention.
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We should recognize that some children come from homes where safety is a concern. However, abuse can happen in situations unrelated to transgender issues, and school boards have procedures to deal with such heartbreaking situations. Some children might be in harm’s way from a violent parent if they get a bad grade on their report card, but no one has proposed that we stop sharing student’s academic performance with parents out of a fear of a parent’s response.
When educators hold credible concerns about the safety of a student’s household, this is directed to the attention of Children’s Aid Services, which have the power to access the household and the expertise to support families through these challenging situations. This process has worked for countless other difficult family situations, and there’s no reason to handle gender identity differently.
The recent statements of education ministers across this country are encouraging, but revised policies are not yet in place. So, for the time being, I’ll be requested by my school to update them when my daughter’s allergies have changed, but in return I’ll be kept in the dark if my child shares a desire to proceed down a path of hormonal and surgical intervention.
Julia Malott: New school gender policies aren't anti trans. They're pro parent-child relationship — National Post
Hiding my transgender feelings deprived my parents of the opportunity to support and guide me through my adolescence
Here’s a different perspective again:
We should recognize that some children come from homes where safety is a concern. However, abuse can happen in situations unrelated to transgender issues, and school boards have procedures to deal with such heartbreaking situations. Some children might be in harm’s way from a violent parent if they get a bad grade on their report card, but no one has proposed that we stop sharing student’s academic performance with parents out of a fear of a parent’s response.
When educators hold credible concerns about the safety of a student’s household, this is directed to the attention of Children’s Aid Services, which have the power to access the household and the expertise to support families through these challenging situations. This process has worked for countless other difficult family situations, and there’s no reason to handle gender identity differently.
The recent statements of education ministers across this country are encouraging, but revised policies are not yet in place. So, for the time being, I’ll be requested by my school to update them when my daughter’s allergies have changed, but in return I’ll be kept in the dark if my child shares a desire to proceed down a path of hormonal and surgical intervention.
Julia Malott: New school gender policies aren't anti trans. They're pro parent-child relationship — National Post
Hiding my transgender feelings deprived my parents of the opportunity to support and guide me through my adolescence
Judge dismisses lawsuit by sorority sisters who sought to block a transgender woman from joining
Author of the article:Associated Press
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Mead Gruver
Published Aug 28, 2023 • 2 minute read
CHEYENNE, Wyo. — A judge has dismissed a lawsuit contesting a transgender woman’s admission into a sorority at the University of Wyoming, ruling that he could not override how the private, voluntary organization defined a woman and order that she not belong.
In the lawsuit, six members of the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority chapter challenged Artemis Langford’s admission by casting doubt on whether sorority rules allowed a transgender woman. Wyoming U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson, in his ruling, found that sorority bylaws don’t define who’s a woman.
The case at Wyoming’s only four-year public university drew widespread attention as transgender people fight for more acceptance in schools, athletics, workplaces and elsewhere, while others push back.
A federal court cannot interfere with the sorority chapter’s freedom of association by ruling against its vote to induct the transgender woman last year, Johnson ruled Friday.
With no definition of a woman in sorority bylaws, Johnson ruled that he could not impose the six sisters’ definition of a woman in place of the sorority’s more expansive definition provided in court.
“With its inquiry beginning and ending there, the court will not define a ‘woman’ today,” Johnson wrote.
Langford’s attorney, Rachel Berkness, welcomed the ruling.
“The allegations against Ms. Langford should never have made it into a legal filing. They are nothing more than cruel rumors that mirror exactly the type of rumors used to vilify and dehumanize members of the LGBTQIA+ community for generations. And they are baseless,” Berkness said in an email.
The sorority sisters who sued said Langford’s presence in their sorority house made them uncomfortable. But while the lawsuit portrayed Langford as a “sexual predator,” claims about her behavior turned out to be a “nothing more than a drunken rumor,” Berkness said.
An attorney for the sorority sisters, Cassie Craven, said by email they disagreed with the ruling and the fundamental issue — the definition of a woman — remains undecided.
“Women have a biological reality that deserves to be protected and recognized and we will continue to fight for that right just as women suffragists for decades have been told that their bodies, opinions, and safety doesn’t matter,” Craven wrote.
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Author of the article:Associated Press
Associated Press
Mead Gruver
Published Aug 28, 2023 • 2 minute read
CHEYENNE, Wyo. — A judge has dismissed a lawsuit contesting a transgender woman’s admission into a sorority at the University of Wyoming, ruling that he could not override how the private, voluntary organization defined a woman and order that she not belong.
In the lawsuit, six members of the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority chapter challenged Artemis Langford’s admission by casting doubt on whether sorority rules allowed a transgender woman. Wyoming U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson, in his ruling, found that sorority bylaws don’t define who’s a woman.
The case at Wyoming’s only four-year public university drew widespread attention as transgender people fight for more acceptance in schools, athletics, workplaces and elsewhere, while others push back.
A federal court cannot interfere with the sorority chapter’s freedom of association by ruling against its vote to induct the transgender woman last year, Johnson ruled Friday.
With no definition of a woman in sorority bylaws, Johnson ruled that he could not impose the six sisters’ definition of a woman in place of the sorority’s more expansive definition provided in court.
“With its inquiry beginning and ending there, the court will not define a ‘woman’ today,” Johnson wrote.
Langford’s attorney, Rachel Berkness, welcomed the ruling.
“The allegations against Ms. Langford should never have made it into a legal filing. They are nothing more than cruel rumors that mirror exactly the type of rumors used to vilify and dehumanize members of the LGBTQIA+ community for generations. And they are baseless,” Berkness said in an email.
The sorority sisters who sued said Langford’s presence in their sorority house made them uncomfortable. But while the lawsuit portrayed Langford as a “sexual predator,” claims about her behavior turned out to be a “nothing more than a drunken rumor,” Berkness said.
An attorney for the sorority sisters, Cassie Craven, said by email they disagreed with the ruling and the fundamental issue — the definition of a woman — remains undecided.
“Women have a biological reality that deserves to be protected and recognized and we will continue to fight for that right just as women suffragists for decades have been told that their bodies, opinions, and safety doesn’t matter,” Craven wrote.
Judge dismisses lawsuit by sorority sisters who sought to block a transgender woman from joining
A judge has dismissed a lawsuit contesting a transgender woman's admission into a sorority at the University of Wyoming.
After years of strenuously avoiding anything that carried a whiff of opposition to LGBT rights, Canadian politicians are now stampeding away from a policy of public schools unquestionably affirming the self-described gender identity of children without informing their parents.
In Canadian school boards from rural Alberta to the Toronto suburbs, the standing policy is that staff must immediately affirm the self-described gender identity of students. If a child expresses a desire to be known by a different name and pronouns — and to begin using bathrooms and other facilities in line with the new identity — teachers and staff are required to accommodate the transition and also withhold this information from parents upon request.
“Do not talk to anyone about (a student’s) identity, including parents/caregivers, to whom they have not already disclosed their gender identity,” reads the official guidelines on “gender identity in schools” published by the Public Health Agency of Canada.
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau can relax.
As it turns out, parents who want to be informed by their child’s school if their child wants to change his or her preferred name or pronoun, are not part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy driven by the “far right.”
It’s the majority view of Canadians.
Those who say parents should be kept in the dark are the fringe group.
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In Canadian school boards from rural Alberta to the Toronto suburbs, the standing policy is that staff must immediately affirm the self-described gender identity of students. If a child expresses a desire to be known by a different name and pronouns — and to begin using bathrooms and other facilities in line with the new identity — teachers and staff are required to accommodate the transition and also withhold this information from parents upon request.
“Do not talk to anyone about (a student’s) identity, including parents/caregivers, to whom they have not already disclosed their gender identity,” reads the official guidelines on “gender identity in schools” published by the Public Health Agency of Canada.
Canadian politicians stampeding away from policy of concealing gender transitions from parents — National Post
It’s a marked reversal for a Canadian political establishment that was previously intensely reluctant to oppose any issue framed as advancing trans rights
Chris Selley: The school gender wars could use a few grown-ups — National Post
Of course it is an extreme position to say that schools must (!), under any circumstances, keep secret important medical information about their students
As it turns out, parents who want to be informed by their child’s school if their child wants to change his or her preferred name or pronoun, are not part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy driven by the “far right.”
It’s the majority view of Canadians.
Those who say parents should be kept in the dark are the fringe group.
EDITORIAL: Mainstream views are not ‘far right’ — Toronto Sun
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau can relax. As it turns out, parents who want to be informed by their child’s school if their child wants to change his or her preferred name or pronoun, are not part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy driven by the “far right.” It’s the majority view of Canadians...
Foghorning doesnt work on deaf ears.After years of strenuously avoiding anything that carried a whiff of opposition to LGBT rights, Canadian politicians are now stampeding away from a policy of public schools unquestionably affirming the self-described gender identity of children without informing their parents.
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In Canadian school boards from rural Alberta to the Toronto suburbs, the standing policy is that staff must immediately affirm the self-described gender identity of students. If a child expresses a desire to be known by a different name and pronouns — and to begin using bathrooms and other facilities in line with the new identity — teachers and staff are required to accommodate the transition and also withhold this information from parents upon request.
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“Do not talk to anyone about (a student’s) identity, including parents/caregivers, to whom they have not already disclosed their gender identity,” reads the official guidelines on “gender identity in schools” published by the Public Health Agency of Canada.
Canadian politicians stampeding away from policy of concealing gender transitions from parents — National Post
It’s a marked reversal for a Canadian political establishment that was previously intensely reluctant to oppose any issue framed as advancing trans rightsPrime Minister Justin Trudeau can relax.Chris Selley: The school gender wars could use a few grown-ups — National Post
Of course it is an extreme position to say that schools must (!), under any circumstances, keep secret important medical information about their students
As it turns out, parents who want to be informed by their child’s school if their child wants to change his or her preferred name or pronoun, are not part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy driven by the “far right.”
It’s the majority view of Canadians.
Those who say parents should be kept in the dark are the fringe group.
EDITORIAL: Mainstream views are not ‘far right’ — Toronto Sun
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau can relax. As it turns out, parents who want to be informed by their child’s school if their child wants to change his or her preferred name or pronoun, are not part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy driven by the “far right.” It’s the majority view of Canadians...
Gotta be the only job where you're an expert if you can fuck. And that's the full list of qualifications.
Do you have any children to have any iota of parenting or the bond between parents and their children?
No?
Okay, you can shut up and move on then, we dont need your guessing.
I wish I could make sense of all this ferment over gender identity, but so far it’s eluded me. How many genders are there? I don’t know. I think a case can be made that it’s more than two, but I doubt it extends to dozens, or hundreds, as some people claim, and a lot of the arguments about it strike me as less than convincing, to put it gently. Co-opting plural pronouns to avoid using the gender-specific singular ones is only confusing to me; I’m no language Nazi, I know meanings evolve, but arbitrarily changing them to suit some political agenda seems foolish to me, and it jars my sense of proper grammar. We need new words, not redefined old ones that already have well understood meanings. I recall when Ms. was introduced to replace Miss and Mrs. to avoid identifying a woman’s marital status all the time, and that worked eventually. For a while it was a political statement, but now it’s a routine part of the language. Maybe in another generation all this 2SLGBTQ… etc. stuff will have shaken down into something just as routine, but right now I find it confusing and often annoying. I’d agree people can call themselves whatever suits them, but I don’t think they’re entitled to compel me to use the language as they do.
Maybe I just got too old for the modern world.
Maybe I just got too old for the modern world.
There are 2.
The movement is based on the writings and so called studies of a pervert named Dr. Money who claimed gender was a social construct.
Start there. And then Kinsey.
Never heard of Dr. Money, but I have read Kinsey, and Masters & Johnson. Seems to me we have a continuum here, exclusively heterosexual female at one end and exclusively heterosexual male at the other end, and in between an enormous range of sexual identities and behaviours that defy comprehensive naming. Most of us are near one of the poles, the so-called norms, but there’s no denying that significant numbers of people are not. I don’t know what to do about that, or even if we need to do anything about it at all beyond accepting the reality of it.
There is big bucks to be made along the way to transition and post transition. Its becoming an industry.
$1.6M USD from each trans who in the end is still 6X more likely to commit suicide. Attempts are hard to track but can be extrapolated with the attempt to sucess ratios.
Example of the cash cow.
If you did laser hair removal you score an 18 month customer. Or even shoes. Size 12 heels are unique enough to specialize in.
Would you be pro trans?
Language changes over time, Dex. The term "gender" used to mean biological sex. Now it's more of a social construct, and people who felt constrained by the strictly binary, presumptively interested in sex paradigm have (for the moment) settled on "gender" as the term for the social phenomenon of how one responds to sexual identity.
Still waiting for a rational explanation of why a crayon is feminine and a stylo is masculine. And why a Gabel is feminine and a Loeffel is masculine, but a Hund, which actually has a biological sex, is neuter.
But yeah, insisting that words are irrevocably, immutably tied to their meanings when you were young is a sign of age. . .
Depends what you mean by that. I think it’s an unfortunate thing to be, given how society tends to treat such people, or indeed anybody who isn’t near one of the poles, but I wouldn’t say I’m either pro or anti trans, they are what they are and I’m willing to accept what they claim about themselves without judgement.
Just did a little reading about Dr. Money. He does seem to have been more than a little perverse alright, but I’m not sure his identifying gender as a social construct is necessarily a bad idea.
As an entrepreneur is how Im asking.
How society treats them wasnt that big of an issue until the crazies started foghorning about trans kids. Its now 20% of kids who think they are nonbinary. There is an unspoken issue the soup doesnt mention, 30% are autistic and should be treated as such. Throw in teen rebellion and fad as factors. Teens arent exactly competent, rational thinkers.
Treat the brain not the body.
I know, I quite explicitly said so.
I know that too, and I made no such claim about meanings. This is not an evolution of language, it’s an abrupt and arbitrary redefinition of meanings in support of a particular agenda.