Not the 300 year old bird, the stunned cunt who thinks men and women are equal physically.
She's probably my weight but I've got her on all other aspects.
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She's probably my weight but I've got her on all other aspects.
Why are there no (as far as I know) transgender men in the NHL, or CFL, or NFL, or NBA, or MLB? I’ve yet to hear (or notice, anyway) any man or woman complaining about Transgender Men in men’s sports for some reason, and it’s not pussified men not complaining about this as far as I know.
(The ones that started out as biological females, then either transitioned to or just self-identify as males….those are the ones that that I’m asking about)
Is it something to do with misogyny or bigotry or something else (?) and if so on who’s part? I’m really not trying to be a Dick about this in all honesty, but I do see an inequity (and not just sour grapes by female athletes in woman’s sports having to compete against men identifying etc…as women) when a woman trains for years to lose out to Anne Andres or Avi Silverberg or Lia Thomas or Fallon Fox or one of many-many others.
(The ones that started out as biological females, then either transitioned to or just self-identify as males….those are the ones that that I’m asking about)
Is it something to do with misogyny or bigotry or something else (?) and if so on who’s part? I’m really not trying to be a Dick about this in all honesty, but I do see an inequity (and not just sour grapes by female athletes in woman’s sports having to compete against men identifying etc…as women) when a woman trains for years to lose out to Anne Andres or Avi Silverberg or Lia Thomas or Fallon Fox or one of many-many others.
You won't find them in men's sports for the same reason they are absent from trades and labour. They arent men and can't handle do what men do.
The quick peek of whats going on in the UK..
What is the controversy with the Tavistock clinic?
In the clinic's 35 year history, it has treated over 9000 children for gender dysphoria, but there are concerns that potentially hundreds of people, under the age of 17, were rushed into taking hormones, commonly known as “puberty blockers”, without adequate therapy beforehand.
https://www.slatergordon.co.uk › w...
What is the Tavistock clinic scandal? - Slater and Gordon
Men in women's sports, and trans women in women's sports, are two different things.
Well that's part of the point I guess.
Good thing we're not talking men competing against women in sports then.
Trans women aren't men.
Sort of. Baseball, football (all types), basketball, hockey, volleyball, all the significant team sports, were designed to use characteristics of the male physique. In most European cultures, women and girls were forbidden to play these sports at all until about a century or so ago. Compare that to my example of women's gymnastics, one of the very few big sports actually designed for women. Men fail at it even more hilariously than women underperform at the aforementioned sports. So, having set it up all nice and comfy so that the bulk of the money and attention goes to men, of course they want to keep women out of it categorically. It's an in-group, out-group thing. Same reason that until quite recently, only men could be fighter pilots, even though women average better at three characteristics that are desirable in fighter jocks: physical size, tolerance for g stresses, and fine-movement control.
My opinion? All the Trans issue is based on misogyny. It is bigotry regardless. As for on whose part, that depends.
I don't think you're being a dick; at least you seem to be genuinely curious or willing to want to learn about it. Which is more than some at least. Even if you don't "agree" with it.
With power lifting, I can sort of see the unfair advantage. But then Avi was a bullshit entry and he's not trans. That was done as a stunt.
Anne, I'd have to look into more.
Lia, well, that's been hashed out and if you're being honest there should be no issue. Lia has won, and Lia has lost, both against women.
Fallon Fox is a cunt and well my feelings about her are not good, trans or not.
Yet a question for you; should trans men then be forced to compete against women, since they are, after all, according to some "biological women"? What about after they've been taking T for years and years?
Let's fight. You're 100kg, I'm 100kg it should be fair. Are you up for it? You can even have someone behind you to stop you from getting a second concussion but here's the scoop. First we'll pour a 100x300 slab, hump a lift of 2x8s to the third floor and unload a truck full of windows. How does that sound? Pretty good for before lunch. After lunch we'll strip the column forms, then form in around the footings. Its going to take 20 20kg bags of grouting and 5 20L pails of water. Got that mixed and placed...good.
Okay, now, lets fight.
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You kinda sidestepped the issue and question. Trans-women have the biological advantages (and disadvantages) of being male. Do you think it fair for them to compete in female sports?
To you, men in women’s sports & trans women in women’s sports are to different things. Are they two different things to the women in those sports?
Trans women aren’t men to you, but they aren’t necessarily woman either just because they say they are. To the woman powerlifters, what’s the difference between Anne Andres & Avi Silverberg? I’m assuming not much if anything physically anyway. Respect wise, I think there’s a big difference, but physically to the woman competing in that sport…not much at all.
Here we do sort of agree. Specifically regarding woman’s athletes in woman’s sports, you see Lia Thomas (for example) as the victim if Lia isn’t allowed to compete or shower with the women, & I see the rest of the team as the victim for being forced to compete with a man in a woman’s swimsuit, then the whole change room fiasco and then being threatened to shut up and deal with it from what I understand.
We don’t agree with each other here, but that’s no excuse to not be civil by any means. There’s lots of topics that we don’t agree on, but that’s no reason not to debate or be civil or polite or respectful while doing so. None of us can learn anything new if we’ve got closed minds.
With power lifting, and most other sports (except the Chess thing), I can see the unfair advantage. To you Avi was a bullshit entry (though before that entry he identified as a woman just like Anne or the woman involved in woman’s power lifting) and he’s not trans, but Avi was equally as much of a woman as Anne during a woman’s power lifting competition. I think both Anne & Avi are stunts with different agendas. To the women competitors, what’s the difference between Avi & Anne? Are they not the same thing physically to have to compete against?
Your call. I watched her mock the woman competitors stating she can’t understand how bad they are….but those woman competitors didn’t go through puberty as a male and then end up in a woman’s sport competing with woman who didn’t.
I’m sure it has. Lia, wins or loses, still took someone (a woman’s) place in those competitions, against woman, in the pool and in the locker room.
Here we agree. Though Fallon Fox hasn’t competed in woman’s sports since 2014, (or the woman you cited since 1902), Fallon still went through male puberty and can throw a punch like a man, and can fight like a man because….Fallon is a man regardless of how he identifies in the octagon.
There’s a two way street here. I think you’re seeing the Trans people (men or women) as the only victims in these situations, & I’m seeing all forced to be involved in these situations as victims.
In your hypothetical situation above, are the woman in the woman’s sports also allowed to take Testosterone enhancing drugs for years before & during competition? If not, it’s not fair to them. On the flip side, do the rest of the women in women’s sports get to go through male puberty and then decide to compete in woman’s sports with woman who haven’t gone through male puberty? Is this not the same thing advantage wise?
So you’re saying there’s a difference and males & females depending on the sport each have physical advantages?? That’s enough to have Trudeau shake his finger at you and freeze your bank account….
Of that I have no doubt and I believe you, though I can’t say I’ve ever watched it beyond snippets in the news on Olympic years.
What’s stopping woman from supporting Woman’s sports with their arses in the seats at woman’s soccer or basketball? Voting with their wallets as far as the bulk of the money goes, etc…?
A generation back, my father, and a few of my uncles also couldn’t be trained as fighter pilots due to their physical size. I’m told that most of them physically either couldn’t fit into a cockpit, or if they did, they couldn’t effectively move, so two went into the Navy, and two went into the Army (including my father) and one went into the airborne, and one went to hairdressing school, but that’s a different story.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. There is a difference between males and females on average. Furthermore, water is wet and up is not down.
Nothing. If you want a society in which women are exclusively responsible for women and men are exclusively responsible for men, I guess that's a good idea. Maybe they could meet for, say, three days a month for procreation?
Legend has it that when they announced the requirements for Project Mercury astronauts, Alan Shepard got around the maximum-height requirement of six feet by listing his height as 5'13". Can't say for sure, but where there's a will, there's a way.
I'm not down with retarded overgeneralizations and hard-and-fast rules based on them.
Probably why he wasn't an astronaut. When ya gotta lie, make it the minimum lie necessary to do the job.