1st. Aaron Alexis then Attacks on the 2nd Amendment

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Pretty cocky for a "Johnny come Lately" isn't he? -:)

Nothing I read in the rules says a person must accept gratuitous insults until they cross a magic line. Petros spent the evening tossing insults then asked me if I wanted to be banned. If he did have that power and used it, the site would not be worth using. If I backed down from such an insult I would have no self respect. I can't see what he posted after I told him to leave me alone and not waste band width, but hopefully he'll waste his time on somebody else.
 

karrie

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I admitted what? Post it, like I posted proof of your lie.

You denied attacking me. That was untrue. That makes you a liar. The fact that I waited then nailed you on another thread made you think you could get away with lying, it doesn't change the fact that you lied. Deny it all you want, the evidence is posted where you can't duck it.



Hurts to get caught sucking up to the Yanks, eh? Please feel free to put me on ignore, Sis.

Why would I repost the entire exchange that's on this page.... you admitted that you weren't joking, that you were insulting.

And yes, I berated you, for insulting another poster. You get what you have coming.

I find it interesting that your best comeback seems to be to point out I'm a woman. It's laughable.
 

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Why would I repost the entire exchange that's on this page.... you admitted that you weren't joking, that you were insulting.

And yes, I berated you, for insulting another poster. You get what you have coming.

I find it interesting that your best comeback seems to be to point out I'm a woman. It's laughable.

Bounce him/her, Karrie -:) Who needs the turkey?
 

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Why would I repost the entire exchange that's on this page.... you admitted that you weren't joking, that you were insulting.

Nobody suggested that you repost an entire exchange. I denied your insult and challenged you to post the evidence of it. Like Alzheimer's Ronny Reagan said, trust but verify. Of course the evidence doesn't exist so you won't be posting it.

And yes, I berated you, for insulting another poster. You get what you have coming.

You're going to have to prove that one too. I did no such thing. You butted in where you weren't being addressed, and even then I ignored the offensive post and let it go. If you hadn't kept it up on this thread it would all be water under the bridge by now.

I find it interesting that your best comeback seems to be to point out I'm a woman. It's laughable.

It sure got you going, didn't it? But again you are incorrect. The best comeback was to post your insult and let it speak for itself. The gender reference would be water off a duck's back if you were not trying to use gender to manipulate. It was a test. The results have been spectacular.

Note - nary an insult, a direct response to what was written and verifiable facts only.
 

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Yeah, I think the exchange, and the member contributions, speak for themselves.

Not even close. What I have done is ignore the established pecking order. I don't knuckle my forehead to people who think I should bow to them. I speak up even though I "just got here", Objectively speaking there is nothing particularly offensive about my posts. Many are anti-American, but I usually back them up with fact.
 

karrie

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You keep telling yourself that.

"I'm good, I'm special, and gosh darn it, people like me."

If you ever feel like coming around and discussing the meat of the matter without flying off the handle at every little bit of sarcasm or perceived slight, the forum is an awesome place. You'd fit right in. Take care tober.
 

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I'll let Petros, who did good work, answer to the intent of the framers of the Bill of Rights...................

BTW, Benjamin Franklin once raised a militia against the wishes of the pacifist leaders of Pennsylvania, for the purposes of fighting pirate raiders on the coast. They openly purchased arms, including cannon, as was their right as English citizens. You have absolutely no understanding of the mindset of an eighteenth century American colonialist.

Totally agreed that that was the purpose of the 2nd. It was the express purpose as I wrote above - to prevent state governments from disarming the federal militia. Nothing in the law, as opposed to some political rhetoric, permits Americans to arm for the purpose of rebelling against their government. If that was the case there would be a remedy under the law to protect those who assert their 2nd Amendment rights. Timothy McVeigh claimed that he thought the US government was tyrannical, because of Ruby Ridge and Waco. At his trial no such defence was raised. When a man goes to his death instead of raising an available legal defence that should tell you something about the availability of the defence. The defence does not exist because there is no such right under US constitutional law.

The second amendment is very clear, as is revealed in its wording, by the words of the authors, and in the regulations that followed it.

There are no regulations to the 2nd Amendment, although perhaps I'm being too technical. As a matter of fact I know of no regulation to any section of a constitution.

Therefore the bans on fighting guns are unconstitutional.

I doubt that very much, but we'll never know until the SCOTUS speaks to it. But answer this - if banning military weapons is unconstitutional what about the ban on private nukes? You can't say it's different because we are talking legal interpretation. Either US law does or does not permit the regulation of weapons, and the SCOTUS has always said it does.

And yes, an armed revolt in the USA could succeed, because the vast majority of the armed forces would go over to the rebels, in the remote chance any such popular uprising were to happen.

Looks like we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson was just a politician. His word is not the law. It doesn't work like that. We know that Yanks have an extraordinary reverence for their politicians for a supposedly "free" democracy, but the common law does not work like that and the US is a legal system based on the British common law.

Bounce him/her, Karrie -:) Who needs the turkey?

Well lookee here, JLM is hiding behind a woman's skirts to snipe at me. Karrie has more courage than that and more honour. I caught her out when she forgot a sniping on another thread, and I think she should at least have said, 'Oops, sorry,' but she hasn't hidden behind anybody else to fight her battle.