1st. Aaron Alexis then Attacks on the 2nd Amendment

[B00Mer]

1st. Aaron Alexis then Attacks on the 2nd Amendment

Obama laments shooting as gun debate has gone cold - News Nation Washington - Boston.com

Here we go again.. :roll:

The bodies are not even cold yet before Obama decides to use another American tragedy to push his agenda.

Rahm Emanuel Says Never Let A Good Crisis Go To Waste - YouTube
Rahm Emanuel Says Never Let A Good Crisis Go To Waste

Obama doctrine

 

[EagleSmack]

But if Obama had a son...

 

[B00Mer]

But if Obama had a son...

He would look like Aaron, and shoot up the Rebulican dominate House for causing me grief..

 

[tober]

The American pestilence is alive even on a Canadian site. A US mass killing followed immediately by US gun extremists appearing with their "It's all about us," mantra. Yeah, guys, wives and husbands dead, single parents created in a jiffy, children orphaned, futures changed for the worse in the blink of an eye, and its all about y'all. Its all so y'all can pack yer piece against the government and all those other mysterious entities who are sho' 'nuff gonna kill y'all if gun proliferation doesn't continue. Just do me one favour please - stay there.

 

[Walter]

The American pestilence is alive even on a Canadian site. A US mass killing followed immediately by US gun extremists appearing with their "It's all about us," mantra. Yeah, guys, wives and husbands dead, single parents created in a jiffy, children orphaned, futures changed for the worse in the blink of an eye, and its all about y'all. Its all so y'all can pack yer piece against the government and all those other mysterious entities who are sho' 'nuff gonna kill y'all if gun proliferation doesn't continue. Just do me one favour please - stay there.

Never happens here.

 

[B00Mer]

The American pestilence is alive even on a Canadian site. A US mass killing followed immediately by US gun extremists appearing with their "It's all about us," mantra. Yeah, guys, wives and husbands dead, single parents created in a jiffy, children orphaned, futures changed for the worse in the blink of an eye, and its all about y'all. Its all so y'all can pack yer piece against the government and all those other mysterious entities who are sho' 'nuff gonna kill y'all if gun proliferation doesn't continue. Just do me one favour please - stay there.

Yawn .....

MILLER: Obama uses Naval Yard shooting to stoke fear, push anti-gun agenda - Washington Times

Yup, I feel your outrage, Liberals like Obama using this tragedy to push his anti-gun legislation AGAIN.. and the bodies are not even cold yet.. Tisk Tisk

 

[The Old Medic]

The American pestilence is alive even on a Canadian site. A US mass killing followed immediately by US gun extremists appearing with their "It's all about us," mantra. there.

I do not know ANYONE that would not condemn this horrible shooting. Personally, all of the victims and their families, are in my prayers.

However, this man should never have been allowed to purchase a firearm anywhere in the USA. He was a convicted felon, who had been discharged from the US Navy for "misconduct".

He was hired by a government contractor that totally ignored the law, and issued him a Secret Clearance. That company should be permanently barred from EVER getting another government contract.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with "The American Pestilence". This was a man who had illegal weapons (and that DOES occur in Canada too), and he chose to go into that building and murder 12 people.

Of course, those that hate and despise the USA will attempt to use a tragedy like this to bash Americans and their Constitution. The Constitution of the United States of America specifically allows law abiding people to purchase, and possess firearms.

Canada also allows people to purchase and possess rifles and shotguns. And, Canada has also had more than one mass killing. It does not matter which country such action happen in, they will always be horrible and terribly wrong.

It is also terribly wrong that some people will use such a tragic event to attempt to promote their agenda of disarming the law abiding people. Criminals will still be able to obtain weapons, and they will. The ONLY thing that prohibiting the sale and/or possession of firearms does is to hurt those that use such firearms properly.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I do not know ANYONE that would not condemn this horrible shooting. Personally, all of the victims and their families, are in my prayers.

But. . . but. . . he brought long-overdue justice to the war criminals and mass murderers of America!

However, this man should never have been allowed to purchase a firearm anywhere in the USA. He was a convicted felon, who had been discharged from the US Navy for "misconduct".

Do you have a source for that? I haven't seen anything that says he was a convicted felon.

 

[Colpy]

The American pestilence is alive even on a Canadian site. A US mass killing followed immediately by US gun extremists appearing with their "It's all about us," mantra. Yeah, guys, wives and husbands dead, single parents created in a jiffy, children orphaned, futures changed for the worse in the blink of an eye, and its all about y'all. Its all so y'all can pack yer piece against the government and all those other mysterious entities who are sho' 'nuff gonna kill y'all if gun proliferation doesn't continue. Just do me one favour please - stay there.

Ah...in case you missed it, it was Obama that moved the discussion to gun control.

And I'm here, with several million others, and we are not going anywhere.

BTW the last moose hunting trip I was on, the four men had 10 university degrees between them.....two PhDs (in history), three Masters, and 5 undergraduate degrees. And not one of then registered all their long guns.

But, yeah, we are all inbred.

(insert rolled eyes here)

 

[Serryah]

BTW the last moose hunting trip I was on, the four men had 10 university degrees between them.....two PhDs (in history), three Masters, and 5 undergraduate degrees. And not one of then registered all their long guns.

(insert rolled eyes here)

Just proves even the 'smartest' people can be absolutely f'kn dumb sometimes.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Ah...in case you missed it, it was Obama that moved the discussion to gun control.

And I'm here, with several million others, and we are not going anywhere.

BTW the last moose hunting trip I was on, the four men had 10 university degrees between them.....two PhDs (in history), three Masters, and 5 undergraduate degrees. And not one of then registered all their long guns.

But, yeah, we are all inbred.

(insert rolled eyes here)

Musta been subsistence hunting.

Kidding.

Ever fire a bullpup rifle, Colpy?

 

[tober]

Ah...in case you missed it, it was Obama that moved the discussion to gun control.

And I'm here, with several million others, and we are not going anywhere.

BTW the last moose hunting trip I was on, the four men had 10 university degrees between them.....two PhDs (in history), three Masters, and 5 undergraduate degrees. And not one of then registered all their long guns.

But, yeah, we are all inbred.

(insert rolled eyes here)

Don't take it personally. I have a post-graduate university degree, own eight firearms and was out hunting several times in the last week. Canada does not have America's problem and I hate it when our politicians, who know nothing of our gun culture, watch US media and enact unnecessary laws against it - that was the long gun registry. Canadians should speak out, and it is natural that our opinions should span a spectrum. American gun atrocities have the power to effect our rights. We should voice reasonable opinions, and where possible they should be reasoned and not just hateful hyperbole.

 

[taxslave]

The American pestilence is alive even on a Canadian site. A US mass killing followed immediately by US gun extremists appearing with their "It's all about us," mantra. Yeah, guys, wives and husbands dead, single parents created in a jiffy, children orphaned, futures changed for the worse in the blink of an eye, and its all about y'all. Its all so y'all can pack yer piece against the government and all those other mysterious entities who are sho' 'nuff gonna kill y'all if gun proliferation doesn't continue. Just do me one favour please - stay there.

ROFLMAO
In reality if anyone of the victims had been armed the death toll would have been a lot less. Preventing law abiding citizens from having guns does absolutely nothing to stop the crazies.

 

[B00Mer]

D.C. Shooting: Opportunity For Obama Regime to Take All Guns - YouTube

 

[tober]

ROFLMAO
In reality if anyone of the victims had been armed the death toll would have been a lot less. Preventing law abiding citizens from having guns does absolutely nothing to stop the crazies.

I notice you fail to meet my reasoning with reasoning of your own. Kindly explain how a crowd of unassociated armed civilians in a naval base would have been able to concentrate on an unknown shooter while recognizing and coordinating with each other? Explain how a naval base full of uncontrolled unknown armed civilians would be safer than a base where firearms are strictly controlled? Explain how basic military security needs would be met on a base where anybody could enter armed - talk about a sitting duck for jihad?

You claim to be from Vancouver Island. Let's Canadianize the post - explain how much safer CFB Esquimalt would be if anybody any time could enter the base or dockyard bearing their own firearms with no control? Explain what arms would have to be carried by duty personnel in such a case, and what the casualty rates would be compared to the present state given navy policy on arming watch standers? Be specific on what is present policy then compare it to what would happen if there were no controls and armed military and civilians were on base without restrictions?

 

[taxslave]

I notice you fail to meet my reasoning with reasoning of your own. Kindly explain how a crowd of unassociated armed civilians in a naval base would have been able to concentrate on an unknown shooter while recognizing and coordinating with each other? Explain how a naval base full of uncontrolled unknown armed civilians would be safer than a base where firearms are strictly controlled? Explain how basic military security needs would be met on a base where anybody could enter armed - talk about a sitting duck for jihad?

You claim to be from Vancouver Island. Let's Canadianize the post - explain how much safer CFB Esquimalt would be if anybody any time could enter the base or dockyard bearing their own firearms with no control? Explain what arms would have to be carried by duty personnel in such a case, and what the casualty rates would be compared to the present state given navy policy on arming watch standers? Be specific on what is present policy then compare it to what would happen if there were no controls and armed military and civilians were on base without restrictions?

I used to work at CFB COmox. Trust me armed civilians is a lot safer than armed military personal. I can't speak to US bases but it would be easy to pack a weapon onto a Canadian base. One person I worked with flashed a Players cigarette package instead of his ID for about 6 months before anyone bothered to look at it.

 

[tober]

D.C.Shooting: Opportunity For Obama Regime to Take All Guns - YouTube

I listened for five & a half minutes before deciding I had better things to do with my day. Crank it up and listen. It definitely says nothing to Canadians and what it says to Americans strains credulity.

It talks about "tyrannical government". That is classic US NRA nonsense. Look at the harm guns have done to Americans. In some places routine traffic stops are accompanied by drawn police weapons. Every pull-over is presumed to involve an armed hostile citizen. Police are no longer trained to think of themselves as helpers. Survival demands that they consider every shift to be an intrusion into hostile territory where the people you watch are armed and dangerous. Has this been caused because every level of government in America is committed to the enslavement of Americans? Not at all, although the right wing says so. It has been caused by a realistic fear held by American law enforcement that the public is armed and considers police the enemy. That is not the case in Canada. We respect our national police force – the RCMP. Because of that, the RCMP does not as a rule fear us. We want to keep it that way.

The speaker referred to “corrupt infantry”. America is militarized. Military references on a resume are considered necessary by many people there. They spend, according to some, more than five times more than the next ten nations after them. They revere Tiger Force – the guys who tortured prisoners and openly wore the ears as dead Vietnamese as necklaces (google “Tiger Force”). They mounted a “punitive mission” against the city of Fallujah where they machine gunned swimming families in the 21st Century. Punitive expeditions are something no civilized military has done since at least WW2 and probably not since the 1800’s,. Does Canada have a “corrupt infantry”? No. Canadian Forces are respected world-wide.

The YOU TUBE rambled along, talking about how American swimmers are afraid of Great White sharks even though only five people a year are attacked (it said). So? Does the NRA recommend we carry handguns to protect ourselves from sharks? (“Yeah man, me’n Bubba got our.45’s an' ain’t no shark scares us here in Atlanta.”) Absolutely irrelevant and inflammatory. Great fodder for the 70 IQ crowd.

Then Hitler was brought up. Maybe Americans have to arm against a domestic Hitler, although I don’t believe it. Canada doesn’t. Then he started talking about Syria. Yup, Y’all bettercarry a handgun to school in case Syria’s dictator attacks. WMD’s were next. Boy, was that ever a tactical error. Dubya lied America into a war by falsely claiming WMD’s and the NRA is a Republican creature. If I were the US right wing I’d have stayed away from that argument, but nobody has ever accused Republican gun arguments of being too clever. None of these are Canadian issues.

Canada doesn’t need US gun control because we don’t have a US gun culture or a US gun problem. America doesn’t need its guns - guns are what are creating harsher and harsher police policies.

I used to work at CFB COmox. Trust me armed civilians is a lot safer than armed military personal. I can't speak to US bases but it would be easy to pack a weapon onto a Canadian base. One person I worked with flashed a Players cigarette package instead of his ID for about 6 months before anyone bothered to look at it.

After I left the navy I still used to come and go by flashing my drivers licence, but that has nothing to do with gun control. You forget that in Canada we do not have a military culture. Our streets are not full of handguns. There is no difference between an armed civilian and armed military personnel in their private lives - they are the same people. Trust you? How? Your post is irrelevant to the issue and does not reply to what I wrote.

 

[tober]

I used to work at CFB COmox. Trust me armed civilians is a lot safer than armed military personal. I can't speak to US bases but it would be easy to pack a weapon onto a Canadian base. One person I worked with flashed a Players cigarette package instead of his ID for about 6 months before anyone bothered to look at it.

You didn't answer the post, ts. Nothing about working as a long-hair at CFB Comox gives you insight into this shooting. Kindly explain how a crowd of unassociated armed civilians in a naval base would have been able to concentrate on an unknown shooter while recognizing and coordinating with each other? Explain how a naval base full of uncontrolled unknown armed civilians would be safer than a base where firearms are strictly controlled? Explain how basic military security needs would be met on a base where anybody could enter armed - talk about a sitting duck for jihad?

You claim to be from Vancouver Island. Let's Canadianize the post - explain how much safer CFB Esquimalt would be if anybody any time could enter the base or dockyard bearing their own firearms with no control? Explain what arms would have to be carried by duty personnel in such a case, and what the casualty rates would be compared to the present state given navy policy on arming watch standers? Be specific on what is present policy then compare it to what would happen if there were no controls and armed military and civilians were on base without restrictions?

Cat got your tongue?

 

[WLDB]

He would look like Aaron, and shoot up the Rebulican dominate House for causing me grief..

If he had had a kid when he was what, 15?

The bodies are not even cold yet before Obama decides to use another American tragedy to push his agenda.

What difference would it make if they were? Most funerals happen within a couple days. Some of the bodies might have already been buried. In any case he is wasting his time. The Republicans still control the house and a number of Democrats disagree with Obama on the issue. He cant just unilaterally force a law through. Sandy Hook didnt do it, this wont either.

D.C. Shooting: Opportunity For Obama Regime to Take All Guns - YouTube

Sometimes I find him incredibly annoying - other times incredibly funny. Usually a bit of both.

ROFLMAO
In reality if anyone of the victims had been armed the death toll would have been a lot less. Preventing law abiding citizens from having guns does absolutely nothing to stop the crazies.

The Empire State Building shooting last year didnt work out that way. A cop took out a bystander in that by accident before the actual shooter. If a cop who is trained for these situations can screw it up that badly I have even less faith in the average Joe to do so.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Doesn't anyone notice that most, not all but most of these events are perpetrated by people who would pass background checks and be able to purchase the guns anyway. I've never heard of a dope dealer going on a mass rampage in an office or school. They may blast a couple of other dealers and help our cause to clean up the street but never a mass shooting in an office or school.