16 year old Vernon girl stabbed

Ariadne

Council Member
Aug 7, 2006
2,432
8
38
Police are still looking for the 15 year old girl ... and she's obviously not sitting in an isolated place by herself, so someone is helping her right now ... some similarly misguided teen that thinks it's them against society.
 

johnsoncreek

New Member
Aug 23, 2011
2
0
1
These same two girls were involved in a brutal beating of another 16 year old girl earlier this year. My stepdaughter. Police arrest two after girl beaten at Vernon house party

They were brought in but the crown dropped the charges because of conflicting statements. Unfortunately my stepdaughter was asleep when the attack took place. So she was unable to positively identify the two. Although everyone knew what had happened. The same girls later also started coming by our house and making threats, trying to intimidate us. When we called 911 they took off. The dispatchers resonse was: "We know who they are but if they've already left theres no point in trying to chase them down." No car was sent to investigate. In the morning When I was leaving for work there was an empty jar that had a strong smell of gasoline sitting outside My daughters window. Needless to say, after only living in that residence for three months we picked up and moved to a different part of town. My daughter has left and is staying with family in a different town and may not come back for her last year of school. The lead investigator was next to useless in this case and we're in the midst of filing a lawsuit. There was at least two witnesses that told the police what had happened but because one of them was intimidated into reversing their statement the charges were dropped. While Im still angry at both of these girls, the attacker in this incident has had a long long history of assaults. (first one was when she was 11 I believe) And the crown knows this and had a golden opportunity to do someting along the lines of re-habilitating her. But due to an overworked judicial system and laziness on the part of the investigator. They let this one go through the cracks. And now a young girl may lose her life.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
75,301
548
113
Vernon, B.C.
You'd still be 1/10th

Oh, I was under the impression Regina has 200,000 (Saskatoon about the same and the province about a million)

These same two girls were involved in a brutal beating of another 16 year old girl earlier this year. My stepdaughter. Police arrest two after girl beaten at Vernon house party

A letter to the editors of some Okanagan Dailies might not do any harm.

To be fair - she's from a place called "Vernon". This might be the out she needed.

Meaning what???????????????
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
118,195
14,481
113
Low Earth Orbit
Oh, I was under the impression Regina has 200,000 (Saskatoon about the same and
the province about a million).
Noooo not anymore 230 something and that doesn't include the burbs. Even Moose Jaw just got 4km closer in the a past year. Growing like a prairie fire. There are jobs for every unemployed person in Vernon and the rest of the OK. Bus tickets instead of welfare would clean the valley up in no time.

We have an unwritten clause these days. Work or freeze because welfare doesn't come close to covering rent.
 

Ariadne

Council Member
Aug 7, 2006
2,432
8
38
These same two girls were involved in a brutal beating of another 16 year old girl earlier this year. My stepdaughter. Police arrest two after girl beaten at Vernon house party

They were brought in but the crown dropped the charges because of conflicting statements. Unfortunately my stepdaughter was asleep when the attack took place. So she was unable to positively identify the two. Although everyone knew what had happened. The same girls later also started coming by our house and making threats, trying to intimidate us. When we called 911 they took off. The dispatchers resonse was: "We know who they are but if they've already left theres no point in trying to chase them down." No car was sent to investigate. In the morning When I was leaving for work there was an empty jar that had a strong smell of gasoline sitting outside My daughters window. Needless to say, after only living in that residence for three months we picked up and moved to a different part of town. My daughter has left and is staying with family in a different town and may not come back for her last year of school. The lead investigator was next to useless in this case and we're in the midst of filing a lawsuit. There was at least two witnesses that told the police what had happened but because one of them was intimidated into reversing their statement the charges were dropped. While Im still angry at both of these girls, the attacker in this incident has had a long long history of assaults. (first one was when she was 11 I believe) And the crown knows this and had a golden opportunity to do someting along the lines of re-habilitating her. But due to an overworked judicial system and laziness on the part of the investigator. They let this one go through the cracks. And now a young girl may lose her life.

Thank you for your post. It's my understanding too that unless there is an eye witness identification and witnesses that are not afraid to come forward, the prosecutor cannot be sure of a conviction. As a result, they wait for more evidence. Unfortunately, that often results in the situation we have with the stabbing ... the violence has to escalate to a serious injury or death before the evidence is there.

These children seem to think that laws are for other people, and they live within some sort of vigilante world where they perceive injustices that aren't even there and then retaliate 10 fold. I think you are wise to keep your daughter safely away from these street thugs.

I have heard about a provincial based victim's assistance program that compensates victims of random attacks. It may be worth exploring. Here, the paperwork must be filed within 2 years of the assault and the compensation varies depending on the severity of the consequences. There are psychological as well as physical injuries that people suffer as a result of a random attack - which I'm sure you are all too familiar with ... with fear being a big factor that alters someone's ability to function independently after an attack.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
75,301
548
113
Vernon, B.C.
Thank you for your post. It's my understanding too that unless there is an eye witness identification and witnesses that are not afraid to come forward, the prosecutor cannot be sure of a conviction. As a result, they wait for more evidence. Unfortunately, that often results in the situation we have with the stabbing ... the violence has to escalate to a serious injury or death before the evidence is there.

These children seem to think that laws are for other people, and they live within some sort of vigilante world where they perceive injustices that aren't even there and then retaliate 10 fold. I think you are wise to keep your daughter safely away from these street thugs.

I have heard about a provincial based victim's assistance program that compensates victims of random attacks. It may be worth exploring. Here, the paperwork must be filed within 2 years of the assault and the compensation varies depending on the severity of the consequences. There are psychological as well as physical injuries that people suffer as a result of a random attack - which I'm sure you are all too familiar with ... with fear being a big factor that alters someone's ability to function independently after an attack.

About 12 years ago at a bar in Calgary while my son was up on the dance floor, he got hit over the head with a beer bottle (every patron and worker saw it) and required umpteen stitches, had some clothes ruined, missed some work, but he did receive over $8000 from the compensation fund. But that may have depended on the perpetrator being charged and convicted. If I remember right I think he was fined several $thousand.

You'd still be 1/10th

Well, I'd buy 1/5. :smile:
 

johnsoncreek

New Member
Aug 23, 2011
2
0
1
Thank you for your post. It's my understanding too that unless there is an eye witness identification and witnesses that are not afraid to come forward, the prosecutor cannot be sure of a conviction. As a result, they wait for more evidence. Unfortunately, that often results in the situation we have with the stabbing ... the violence has to escalate to a serious injury or death before the evidence is there.

These children seem to think that laws are for other people, and they live within some sort of vigilante world where they perceive injustices that aren't even there and then retaliate 10 fold. I think you are wise to keep your daughter safely away from these street thugs.

I have heard about a provincial based victim's assistance program that compensates victims of random attacks. It may be worth exploring. Here, the paperwork must be filed within 2 years of the assault and the compensation varies depending on the severity of the consequences. There are psychological as well as physical injuries that people suffer as a result of a random attack - which I'm sure you are all too familiar with ... with fear being a big factor that alters someone's ability to function independently after an attack.

Yes, thank you. I did hear about the victims assistance program. Not from the police, but I found out on my own through the internet. It has been quite a few months now and we may finally see some compensation from them. The problem is that my daughter was from Alberta and had not had her medical switched over to BC medical yet. The problems that occured from that were horrendous. She was suffering from severe headaches, but the doctor wouldnt prescribe any meds until she had a mental assesment and counceling done at our own cost. With the cost of the unexpected move things were getting tight financially. It was just easier for her to go back to alberta where her health care was still being taken seriously and she recieved the help she needed there. We were turned away from the optometrist and the dentist here in BC as well. We were told by the secretary at the optometrists office that we were neglectful as parents for not having her medical switched over within the three months that we were here. All in all it was a very un-welcoming experience. It felt like Alberta was Mexico and we were claiming refugee status. I thought health care in canada was a right, no matter which province you were from.

But the majority of the stress from our incident is over. Whats sad is that everyone involved knew what kind of girls they were and seemed to be too scared to do anything about it. They were beating up girls on a weekly basis to "initiate them" whether they wanted to be a part of their group or not. My daughter was by no means the first, and if nothing is done Im sure she wont be the last. Hopefully this girl, as involved as she was, doesnt lose her life over it. No mistake is worth that. And hopefully they track down this missing girl before she hurts someone else. She obviously has no hope for herself and feels now more than ever that she has nothing to lose.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
75,301
548
113
Vernon, B.C.
johnsoncreek; The problem is that my daughter was from Alberta and had not had her medical switched over to BC medical yet. The problems that occured from that were horrendous. She was suffering from severe headaches said:
That is reprehensible, your daughter should have been treated immediately, it would only be a bureaucrat who would need the "paperwork" first. I suppose with the doctor shortage it would be next to impossible to get that charlatan moved out to Outer Mongolia.

Sometimes a Hudson Bay blanket and a Louisville Slugger is a better deterrent than law and order

The blanket being for wrapping him/her in before placing he/she in the coffin?
 

Ariadne

Council Member
Aug 7, 2006
2,432
8
38
About 12 years ago at a bar in Calgary while my son was up on the dance floor, he got hit over the head with a beer bottle (every patron and worker saw it) and required umpteen stitches, had some clothes ruined, missed some work, but he did receive over $8000 from the compensation fund. But that may have depended on the perpetrator being charged and convicted. If I remember right I think he was fined several $thousand.

I do know that a conviction is not required for victim's assistance.
 

Ariadne

Council Member
Aug 7, 2006
2,432
8
38
It seem that some 16 year old girls are really, really stupid. The two girls that took my son to the park on Friday night know exactly what happened to my son, but that didn't stop them from asking another 16 year boy to join them to do the very same thing this coming Friday. Where are the parents of these two girls? What is wrong with them? Police drove the girls home after the last incident ... yet they are eager to do it again and it seems their parents don't care. I guess the park is an exciting place for 16 year old girls. Fortunately, this other 16 year old boy knows what happened to my son and told the girls that he didn't think it was a good idea. What exactly are these girls up to ???
 

Ariadne

Council Member
Aug 7, 2006
2,432
8
38
Perhaps drugs and alcohol are the lure, but what happens after they arrive at the park is something along the lines of a lawless crowd pretending they are living in some sort of survivial of the fittest, post-apocolytic world. A 15 year old got mad at her former friend so she knifed her a few times? What is that? That's beyond drugs and alcohol and into some sort of game environment mentality. I'm not blaming games for violence, but I do think they desensitize people.