1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified

[Count_Lothian]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm so sorry to disrupt your karmic bliss, Lothian.. maybe it wasn't genuine if so easily displaced.

You don't get off that easy.
and now you make this accusations and assumptions about me as well.

I refer to the type , this tripe you type like it's fact.

ok so this entire genuine displaced crap it just posted about me, what does this have to do with the price of eggs anyway.

Does it have some grudge at the concept Buddhist are calm and and happy and this piece of nothing is so unhappy with their god the mere possibility anyone else has happiness is a point of jealousy.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

 

[coldstream]

Stalin certainly was not a Marxist either.


Shows how little you understand anything outside your narrow view of Catholicism.

I have quite a wide view of Catholicism, Cliffy. I deem the revelation of the Church of Christ to be the most perfect, profound, comprehensive and truthful explanation for Creation... and the phenomenon (and destiny) of Man.

I suppose i could be wrong. And i suppose you could be right. But in your and my dissolved state i doubt we'll be aware or care of it. 'Truth' plays no part in your construct.

If i am right however.. there are no excuses and ultimate accountability.. for a Truth that is all around you and apparent to you (a function of your God given reason and conscience).. save your willful rejection of it.

 

[MHz]

Okay, two Our Fathers

Steps silently backwards before door shuts completely and once past the iron locks steps briskly to stage left and the exit thereabouts..

 

[coldstream]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


You don't get off that easy.
and now you make this accusations and assumptions about me as well.

I refer to the type , this tripe you type like it's fact.

ok so this entire genuine displaced crap it just posted about me, what does this have to do with the price of eggs anyway.

Does it have some grudge at the concept Buddhist are calm and and happy and this piece of nothing is so unhappy with their god the mere possibility anyone else has happiness is a point of jealousy.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

post modern poetry, i guess.. the abstract expressionism of literature. :roll:

The world is moving back to more figurative and less nonsensical modes of expression, Lothian.

 

[MHz]

I suppose i could be wrong. And i suppose you could be right. But in your and my dissolved state i doubt we'll be aware or care of it. 'Truth' plays no part in your construct.

The aspect of the Bible is not right or wrong, it is who is closer to being gathered first compared to who is going to be gathered later, .... and why would be a helpful part of why disagreements exist and do they really matter in that there is only first and second place available as far as appearing before God goes. (physical reality rules)

1Co:4:20:
For the kingdom of God is not in word,
but in power.

Cliffyand his current view of the Bible (based on our last actual conversation) would have him standing on the shores of the fiery lake and deciding to head into the lake because of injustices done by people that have been invited into 'the big house'. Since you would be alone there I'm pretty sure God can up with an original story for you that will make you reconsider things should it ever go that far.

 

[Serryah]

Jesus may not have been crucified but he's been toasted.
See Jesus in your toast? It's 'perfectly normal,' new study says - Technology & Science - CBC News

I had toast this morning, with peanut butter on it; crunchy peanut butter.

It was very, very Good.

Does that mean I'm blessed?

 

[MHz]

post modern poetry, i guess.. the abstract expressionism of literature. :roll:

The world is moving back to more figurative and less nonsensical modes of expression, Lothian.

Seriously?? The two books that cover the period of time that would be of the most interest to us has two vivid visions followed bt two detailed explanations of those visions and you want to add another layer of literary techniques that God employed?? How about similar formats, Daniel has a vision in Da:2 and subsequent books expand on what is mentioned in that prophetic vision. Revelation has the vision of the seals and later chapters expand on what is introduced in that vision.

Really if the vision and the explanation of the 10 men in Da:7 and Re:17 leaves you confused you might want to review the parables first.

 

[Cliffy]

Cliffyand his current view of the Bible (based on our last actual conversation) would have him standing on the shores of the fiery lake and deciding to head into the lake because of injustices done by people that have been invited into 'the big house'. Since you would be alone there I'm pretty sure God can up with an original story for you that will make you reconsider things should it ever go that far.

The fiery lake is a figment of someone's demented world view to which I don't subscribe. So for me it doesn't exist. I don't know of anybody else who subscribes to your particular version of what the bible says, so you are just an army of one. I take you about as seriously as I take the bible.

 

[MHz]

I had toast this morning, with peanut butter on it; crunchy peanut butter.

It was very, very Good.

Does that mean I'm blessed?

Did the troaster lock on the first down stroke? If 'Yes' you probably are, if it takes 10 time you definitely are and how you react by the 10th ****ing try will determine what day your're going to have. One click is no guarantee that Murphy won't be looking for you, but it helps keep him at bay.

 

[coldstream]

Seriously?? The two books that cover the period of time that would be of the most interest to us has two vivid visions followed bt two detailed explanations of those visions and you want to add another layer of literary techniques that God employed?? How about similar formats, Daniel has a vision in Da:2 and subsequent books expand on what is mentioned in that prophetic vision. Revelation has the vision of the seals and later chapters expand on what is introduced in that vision.

Really if the vision and the explanation of the 10 men in Da:7 and Re:17 leaves you confused you might want to review the parables first.

I was referring to Lothian's post, not the Bible, Mhz. The only problem i have with the Bible is when its interpreted on a purely literal level.. and not in the full allegorical, symbolic, integral and revelatory sense.. and for that you need a lens and a point of view.. which the Church.. duly designated by God, provides.

 

[MHz]

The...... bible.

Like I said.

The only problem i have with the Bible is when its interpreted on a purely literal level.. and not in the full allegorical, symbolic and revelatory sense.

That is how it is meant to be taken ot that is the wrong view of who the Bible says God is.. A supernatural being who also happens to be a perfectionist. That is a state mankind can achieve for themselves if they go through the same transitions He would have gone through if He was not born perfected like Christ was. Flesh then perfected flesh and then enter the 3rd heaven the last time.

The time from the end of day 1 until the end of day 7 was 4,004,994,000BC, thereabouts. Noah actual flood too the year and a bit it says for the garden area of Ge:2 as a guide for 'all flesh' and the longer version baded on the 1,000 years as a day was the last icegabe that laster 360,000 years ot one full year so that can be synbolized if you like. Making the bruise s of Ge:3:15 anything other than death isn't possible dur to the built in support.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The persistent benevolence (reliability, honesty, trustworthiness) of the individual who introduced me to Christ is evident to me, Dex.

That's nice, but it's not a reason to believe that what that person told you is true, only that he or she believes it to be true, it's not evidence for the claim.

Reason is not an impediment to faith.

I'm sure you're a reliable, honest, and trustworthy person too, but that doesn't mean I should accept that claim as true. I accept that you believe it to be true, but it was reason and evidence that led me to apostasy, so I believe that claim to be false.

In times past in other threads I've put it this way: The story is that there was a magic tree whose fruit was forbidden, there was a talking serpent who duped a gullible woman into eating the fruit, then she duped her equally gullible partner (though she paid much the greater price for it), and as a result we are all cursed with an evil spell on our souls called original sin, then along comes a guy who was executed as a scapegoat for everything we've ever done and ever will do wrong, but he gets reanimated by a supernatural force and now promises eternal life and removal of the spell if we accept him as lord and master, believe the right things, and follow the proper rituals. Stripped of its specious niceties, that is the core claim of Christianity. Anybody who understands how reason and evidence work would recognize that for the fairy tale it is.

 

[Twila]

In times past in other threads I've put it this way: The story is that there was a magic tree whose fruit was forbidden, there was a talking serpent who duped a gullible woman into eating the fruit, then she duped her equally gullible partner (though she paid much the greater price for it), and as a result we are all cursed with an evil spell on our souls called original sin, then along comes a guy who was executed as a scapegoat for everything we've ever done and ever will do wrong, but he gets reanimated by a supernatural force and now promises eternal life and removal of the spell if we accept him as lord and master, believe the right things, and follow the proper rituals. Stripped of its specious niceties, that is the core claim of Christianity. Anybody who understands how reason and evidence work would recognize that for the fairy tale it is.

Dexter, I came across this yesterday. Sort of goes with what your were saying.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Ultimately Cliffy's world is one of radical individuality with solely internal and inchoate reference points. It is all Subject without Objective definition or restraint.. in God or society.

Without a need to co-exist there is no moral responsibility except to your own Nirvana. In fact without a need to exist at all.. which is the Buddhist apotheosis.. there is no destiny.. simply dissolution after an endless and futile cycle of 're-birth'.

How can you put a moral imperative or purpose in that.

That. . . doesn't sound like logic. Sounds more like a set of unsupported statements designed specifically to support your alleged point.

 

[Count_Lothian]

post modern poetry, i guess.. the abstract expressionism of literature. :roll:

The world is moving back to more figurative and less nonsensical modes of expression, Lothian.

so you use terms you have no clue about , then instead of further debate it's this garbage.

Your a Troll

 

[Spade]

I had toast this morning, with peanut butter on it; crunchy peanut butter.

It was very, very Good.

Does that mean I'm blessed?

Dear Sister Serryah,

Was it Light toast?

I Remain Your Brother,
Spade

PS
Tell mum I'll be by Sunday

 

[Serryah]

Dear Sister Serryah,

Was it Light toast?

I Remain Your Brother,
Spade

PS
Tell mum I'll be by Sunday

Sadly it was a little burned at the edges being a whole wheat bread. I guess this means that I've sinned just a little too much and was noticed.

A warning sign perhaps?

I shall let mum know.

Your Sister,
Serryah

 

[Count_Lothian]

Take that to its logical conclusion and you have no need for morality.. no purpose or destiny to human existence.

This nothing knew, it was proclaimed by the Gnostics.. to some extent is present in Eastern spiritualism and Buddhism. Ultimately it falls into a philosphical stasis, inertia and entropy for cultures where it becomes the guiding credo.

It really comes down to a philosophy of 'bliss' (nirvana.. whatever).. that degrades the human gift of reason.. and sabotages the dynamic of human enterprise.

you are so clueless , you babble on like you actually know something.

When challenged you rebuff with troll posts

 

[Spade]

I was referring to Lothian's post, not the Bible, Mhz. The only problem i have with the Bible is when its interpreted on a purely literal level.. and not in the full allegorical, symbolic, integral and revelatory sense.. and for that you need a lens and a point of view.. which the Church.. duly designated by God, provides.

You really should have quoted Question 10 from the Baltimore Catechism (1897).

"10. Q. How shall we know the things which we are to believe?

A. We shall know the things which we are to believe from the Catholic Church, through which God speaks to us.
""Catholic Church" in this answer means the Pope, councils, bishops, and priests who teach in the Church."

Sadly it was a little burned at the edges being a whole wheat bread. I guess this means that I've sinned just a little too much and was noticed.

A warning sign perhaps?

I shall let mum know.

Your Sister,
Serryah

Fear not, Sister, for you have the key moral virtue "Veracity, which disposes us to tell the truth." (Baltimore Catechism 1897).

 

[coldstream]

so you use terms you have no clue about , then instead of further debate it's this garbage.

Your a Troll

You're the troll, Lothian. We've had some major jerks on this forum.. but you're a prize winner in the category. A bit of a waste of time and space imho.. have you ever had a comprehensible opinion on anything? :roll: