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What is the relevance?
In 1870 the average tax payer paid zero income tax , zero sales tax , and very little any other tax .I pay considerably more than that 19,000.00 figure yearly yet mysteriously my share of the debt keeps rising . Strange .
 

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I didn’t see this graph prior to posting , however keep in mind this is the far far very far right wing Fraser Institute . They wouldn’t portray our fiscal position in anything but the rosiest of lights .
 

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"Real per capita federal net debt (in 2015 dollars) grew from $577 in 1870 and reached $19,302 in 2015."

What is the relevance?

Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer
60 years ago, ..... We had absolutely no national debt.
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I didn’t see this graph prior to posting , however keep in mind this is the far far very far right wing Fraser Institute . They wouldn’t portray our fiscal position in anything but the rosiest of lights .
The good old days when we had to borrow from ourselves and growth was impossible.
 

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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer It's A VERY BIG Number

Not really. Thirty Trillion cells in a human and that's just me, There are billions of us :).
 

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A billion paperclips would stretch across the Golden Gate Bridge... 23,210 times.
 

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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer It's A VERY BIG Number
Not really. Thirty Trillion cells in a human and that's just me, There are billions of us :).

If all the DNA in the human body was placed end to end, it would stretch from Earth to the Sun.... 900 times. Around 440 trillion ft.
 
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spilledthebeer

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Well my favourite is blending the PST with the GST to make the more efficient streamlined HST . Beauty all exemptions in PST are added into HST and all exemptions in GST are added into HST , now the new improved stream lined super efficient system is taxing everything , except the air we breath . Don’t worry that is now covered by the carbon tax . Don’t worry be happy next year GST and carbon pricing are going up . Property taxes going up .Income tax may remain neutral because this government is committed to Canadian prosperity. All fees and levies going up . Government salaries going up . Government revenues possibly going down . Yikes let’s keep going down the same path maybe our children can figure it out .






PST - and GST.................................


blended or separate - makes NO DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE NEED to pay some taxes if we want gas for the fire trucks............................


and somebody to fill in the potholes and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TOO BAD THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HOW MUCH tax should we be paying??????????????????


WE KNOW that Cdns are the MOST HEAVILY TAXED people in the G7 group!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And our tax rates will fly UP LIKE EAGLES..............................


when grossly irresponsible LIE-berals force us to do that NASTY FACE PLANT......................


into the DEBT WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THE ONLY Reason we are being allowed to borrow so much GRAVY FOR HOGS............................


is because we have so much stuff WE CAN SELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When we hit the debt wall there will be NO MORE DISCUSSION..................................


of whether Kinder Morgan pipeline will be built!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bankrupt gvot WILL BE FORCED TO BUILD PIPELINES...............................


to export oil to our creditors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There will be NO MORE Quebec whining about oil and gas pipelines across their province........................


because we will NOT HAVE the cash needed to import that $19 billion dollars worth of oil..........................


from Venezuela and Mexico an Saudi Arabia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With their usual lack of foresight and complete ignorance of the concept of long term planning......................


LIE-bersals simply ASSUME we can drift along FOREVER.............................


or at least bumble along till Our idiot Boy feels like retiring.................................


without ANY SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals believe they are IMMUNE to any possible harsh consequences......................


for any of their rash and foolish policies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Here are some numbers to consider::::::::


In 2012 - Cdn media whores reported that there was over $300 billion dollars in LIE-beral IOU pension promises made..................


to FEDERAL civil service union HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After 2012 - media whores STOPPED TALKING about what LIE-berals promised to federal HOGS on our behalf ............................


in exchange for votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In 2013 - the outgoing chairman of the pension management board of OSSTF- our Ontari-owe high school teachers............................


came on TVO/The Agenda and stated that by 2018 - the OSSTF pension DEFICIT would grow to about $55 billion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


UNLESS HUGE NEW GOBS OF GRAVY were offered to the PIGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE know that in 2014 - the LIE-beral govt of New Brunswick had a $14 billion dollar deficit - OR DEBT ......................................


for that ONE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


News media and Wikipedia ARE VERY crafty about NOT STATING what the total New Brunswick debt is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


However we DO KNOW that in 2019 the Alberta provincial debt will be about $65 billion - OR MORE..........................


depending on how effective Kenney is at controlling spending!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We know also that Wynne-bag Ontari-owe LIE-berals DELIBERATELY LIED about the OSSTF debt.........................


and tried to claim $10 billion dollars in HOG pension top ups as a fiscal asset........................................


in spite of the IOU TOTAL LIE-berals offered to OSSTF being $55 billion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And we KNOW that federal fiscal fibber in chief Bill Morneau HAS BEEN WARNED by govt watch dogs............................


NOT TO TRY the same sleazy and deceptive accounting tricks as Wynne-bag LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE OWE - thanks to those shameless LIE-beral vote buying promises and IOU`s..........................................


WELL OVER $400 BILLION DOLLARS in LIE-beral pension promises to federal union HOGS and to OSSTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And there are EIGHTEEN MORE Ontari-owe provincial unions with their own LIE-beral IOU`s right behind OSSTF...........................


ALL WITH THEIR HANDS OUT for more gravy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Who van say how many BILLIONS have been promised to HOGS by LIE-berals in other provinces???????????????????????


WE know that OMERS - the Ontari-owe municipal employees have a pension fund that is in the TOP FIVE BIGGEST ...............


privately held funds in North America -= and LIE-berals have promised them UNTOLD BILLIONS MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



WE KNOW that Quebec municipal employees have a private pension fund that is one of the TOP TEN in North America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And NOBODY is saying how much LIE-berals have promised the Quebec municipal people................................


although the LIE-beral willingness to risk JAIL TIME - as they save Lavalin - and that 20 percent Quebec provincial govt stake in the



company - suggest there is A HUGE AMOUNT PROMISED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And HOW MUCH has been promised by LIE-berals to our FOURTH LEVEL of govt??????????????????


By which I mean Crown Corporations such as hospitals, colleges, universities, Metrolinx, E-health, AECL..........................


and that whole alphabet soup of supposedly independent and arms length agencies that LIE-berals long ago BOUGHT OUT ............


with gobs of gravy in the form of grants and loans and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The student loan fiasco is the biggest racket in the education world - it is so shameless that it rivals the Protection Rackets...................


of Mafia mobsters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our TRUE NATIONAL DEBT - from ALL SOURCES is very probably WELL BEYOND TWO TRILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Our idiot Boy and his finance minister have already made it clear they think telling LIES about the debt is a GOOD IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After all - Morneau is now on record lecturing Conservatives NOT TO TALK about Recession!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As if speaking about the details of our slipping economy and suggesting ways of alleviating the growing debt crisis.....................


will somehow MAKE IT WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Do Nothing Brigade is NOW IN CHARGE in Ottawa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our govt is PARALYSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral borrowing is being curtailed - even as they PRETEND to spend more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Credit cards are maxed out and there is NO MORE GRAVY FOR HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals are TERRIFIED OF DEFLATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Their immediate fear is the social chaos and anger that will erupt if our housing sector crashes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


An they also greatly fear that a housing crash will result in deflation across other sectors of the economy as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such a deflation will DESTROY the LIE-beral party as ALL ITS POLICIES WILL BE EXPOSED..............................


AS TOTAL FAILURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



When it comes to fiscal policy - LIE-berals are like little kids who got into the govt canoe.........................................


and they have no drifted a SCARY LONG WAY from shore..................................


into deep waters and BIG WAVES - out of sight of land or help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is TOO LATE for rash and stupid LIE-berals.................................


or for their HOG allies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But WE CAN still save ourselves from THEIR MESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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If all the DNA in the human body was placed end to end, it would stretch from Earth to the Sun.... 900 times. Around 440 trillion ft.

"If all this year's debutantes were laid end to end, I wouldn't be a bit surprised."
 

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Not entirely true. Try getting what is left of an RRSP out of an estate without giving the government 30% Even funeral expenses are taxed and most cities have certain requirements for burial, all of which are taxable.



So it's a good thing we don't have an inheritance tax then isn't it? Don't know for how long though. Between the Liberals, NDP and Greens, I suspect we can look forward to it being taxed eventually along with any personal assets (i.e. primary residence). Government spending is so prolific that they are continually looking for where they can get more revenue so it's only a matter of time, I'm sure.
 

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So it's a good thing we don't have an inheritance tax then isn't it? Don't know for how long though. Between the Liberals, NDP and Greens, I suspect we can look forward to it being taxed eventually along with any personal assets (i.e. primary residence). Government spending is so prolific that they are continually looking for where they can get more revenue so it's only a matter of time, I'm sure.

How many are aware that since 2016 there is now capital gains tax on sale of principal-residence land over (I think) 1.25 acre? A nasty surprise if you sell your 5-or-10-acre homestead, and didn't know about it.
 

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How many are aware that since 2016 there is now capital gains tax on sale of principal-residence land over (I think) 1.25 acre? A nasty surprise if you sell your 5-or-10-acre homestead, and didn't know about it.
Does this include ALR land that you are not allowed to subdivide and barely even able to live on.
 

VIBC

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Does this include ALR land that you are not allowed to subdivide and barely even able to live on.
I don't know about ALR issues but I believe you can argue - plead your case - if the land is not subdividable for any reason, or maybe if your well or septic system are outwith the (1.2ac?) area that's not taxable for capital gains.

I'm not knowledgeable about the details - it's just what someone I know is unexpectedly having to go through. Be warned if you'll have acreage to sell in future.
 

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So it's a good thing we don't have an inheritance tax then isn't it? Don't know for how long though. Between the Liberals, NDP and Greens, I suspect we can look forward to it being taxed eventually along with any personal assets (i.e. primary residence). Government spending is so prolific that they are continually looking for where they can get more revenue so it's only a matter of time, I'm sure.

Primary residence, buildings, and land is already taxed at the municipal level, assets are taxed at purchase the only thing that was left to tax was air now the Carbon tax got that as well.
 

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How many are aware that since 2016 there is now capital gains tax on sale of principal-residence land over (I think) 1.25 acre? A nasty surprise if you sell your 5-or-10-acre homestead, and didn't know about it.






LIE-berals RELY on people not noticing the INCREASING COST OF DYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They give us an extra tax credit for funeral expenses that grieving families can apply apply for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And hope the families will not notice the extra taxes as they do not regularly pay such things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And LIE-berals pay for that funeral cost "generosity" ...........


out of GREATLY INCREASED DEATH DUTIES on estates being PROBATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is the usual LIE-beral BAIT AND SWITCH GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Heads they win.......................................


Tails YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


INHERITANCE TAXES ARE COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just as soon as LIE-berals figure a smooth way to dig their hooks into us without losing to many votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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How many are aware that since 2016 there is now capital gains tax on sale of principal-residence land over (I think) 1.25 acre? A nasty surprise if you sell your 5-or-10-acre homestead, and didn't know about it.

This is a brand new 'stand alone' capital gains tax on sale of primary residence acreage, introduced 2016. It is in addition to any other pre-existing taxes.