Hamas attacks Israel

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Have you fact checked your Hasbara? Did Israel attack Jordan first…(?)…or did Jordan attack Israel first in Mid-June 1967? Maybe I’m mistaken, but I thought your issue was with that area Jordan captured from the British in 1948 and renamed the West Bank…that they in lost to Israel after attacking in 1967.

Allied with whom for how long, in order to make that claim?
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(Something something Suez Canal and access to the Red Sea)

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So Jordan, then Iraq, threw in with Egypt less than a week before so they could justify the dog-piling?

Jordan (then Transjordan) was not a member of the United Nations when the vote on the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestinewas held in November 1947, but following Israel's founding on 14 May 1948, it was one of the Arab League countries that invaded the country, gaining control of the West Bankand East Jerusalem (including the Old City). The Jewish population was expelled (sort of an ethnic cleansing?) and Jordan annexed these territories…plural.
Israel even tried to return that disputed territory (Cis-Jordan) to Jordan in 1987 I believe, but Jordan (after initially wanting it) decided against it.

For whom?


Jordan lost this territory after attacking Israel, then didn’t accept it back in 1987 I believe…so maybe you’re right…but I’m assuming you’re not talking about the perpetual multigenerational refugees,

Pre-Emptive is as pre-emptive does. Jordan wasn't a target too? Only Israel can pre-emptive offense and label it defense?

Jordan wasnt a target like the terrorist attack on the USS Liberty?

Today Palestine is Palestine. Its what you democratically voted for.
 
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Today Palestine is Palestine. Its what you democratically voted for.
What?
Pre-Emptive is as pre-emptive does.
Jordan wasn't a target too? Only Israel can pre-emptive offense and label it defense?
1) Did Jordan Capture Cis-Jordan in 1948?
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2) Did they Annex & rename it the West Bank in April of 1950?
3) Then did they (Jordan) purge it of Jews?
4) Did Jordan attack Israel first in mid-1967 but lost the territory they captured in 1948, in 1967? If so, whom did they lose it to?

While the State of Israel was established on 15 May 1948 and admitted to the United Nations, a Palestinian State was not established. The remaining territories of pre-1948 Palestine, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and Gaza Strip, were “administered” from 1948 till 1967 by Jordan and Egypt, respectively.
Jordan wasnt a target like the terrorist attack on the USS Liberty?
Israel apologized for the attack, saying that USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship.Both the Israeli and United States governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$30.1 million in 2024) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($30.6 million in 2024) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($22.9 million in 2024) as the final settlement for material damage to the ship plus 13 years of interest.

Jordan attacked Israel in mid-1967. What reparations did they pay?
Its time to move on.
What year is it Ron?
For giggles...

Why? What’s your statute of limitations on this conversation this weekend? This is from so three weeks ago.😉
 

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What?


1) Did Jordan Capture Cis-Jordan in 1948?
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2) Did they Annex & rename it the West Bank in April of 1950?
3) Then did they (Jordan) purge it of Jews?
4) Did Jordan attack Israel first in mid-1967 but lost the territory they captured in 1948, in 1967? If so, whom did they lose it to?

While the State of Israel was established on 15 May 1948 and admitted to the United Nations, a Palestinian State was not established. The remaining territories of pre-1948 Palestine, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and Gaza Strip, were “administered” from 1948 till 1967 by Jordan and Egypt, respectively.

Israel apologized for the attack, saying that USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship.Both the Israeli and United States governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.

In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3.32 million (equivalent to US$30.1 million in 2024) to the U.S. government in compensation for the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3.57 million ($30.6 million in 2024) to the men who had been wounded. In December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million ($22.9 million in 2024) as the final settlement for material damage to the ship plus 13 years of interest.

Jordan attacked Israel in mid-1967. What reparations did they pay?



Why? What’s your statute of limitations on this conversation this weekend? This is from so three weeks ago.😉
Its 2025 Ron. Palestine is Palestine. Its what you as a Canadian democratically voted for and your efforts have heavily influenced the upcoming exodus of illegal settlers and the creation of Palestine as a free and independent nation.
 

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Trump & his family are corrupt? Say it isn’t so…& this is curious (& in such a short video from a comedian) I’m assuming somewhat out of context, but where there’s smoke, etc…
Corrupt is one thing. A "masterplan" 2 years ago is another.

Context was spot on. I watched the whole 44 minutes of the 60 minutes interview.
 

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Reason for…or in reaction to & using Oct 7th for justification for? Thankfully it’s a fringe. I watched about the first 180 seconds and that’s my time allotment during the day. I’ll have to circle back to this in the evening.
Reason for.

Its a fringe? Are you nuts? Fringe is why Bibi is in power. No "fringe" = no Bibi.
 

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France responsible for UNIFIL decision to shoot down Israeli drone in southern Lebanon

Lebanon - Le Figaro

France was responsible for deciding to shoot down an Israeli drone in Kafr Kila on Sunday, a diplomatic source told Le Figaro. The outlet also reported that the UNIFIL peacekeepers were French.


ByJERUSALEM POST STAFF
OCTOBER 28, 2025 01:37

France was responsible for the decision to shoot down an Israeli drone in Kafr Kila, southern Lebanon, on Sunday, a diplomatic source told French outlet Le Figaro on Monday.

The UNIFIL peacekeepers involved in the incident were from the French military, Le Figaro noted, while commenting that it is rare for peacekeepers to shoot down an Israeli drone.

The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) claimed that the Israeli drone came close to a UNIFIL patrol and "dropped a grenade," followed by an Israeli tank which "fired a shot" towards UNIFIL peacekeepers.

UNIFIL also claimed that this followed a similar incident earlier on Sunday in the same location where "an Israeli drone flew over the UNIFIL patrol in an aggressive manner."

UNIFIL asserted that the events violated UN Security Council Resolution 1701, as well as Lebanon's sovereignty.
 

Ron in Regina

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Mindset isn't a political party.
NDP kept Liberals in power for Trudeau for his last few years…so did that make the NDP mainstream in Canada? You’re making a false equivalence here.
Wow…is “fringe” why ‘Bibi’ is still in power?
Reason for.

Its a fringe? Are you nuts? Fringe is why Bibi is in power. No "fringe" = no Bibi.
No NDP, & Trudeau would’ve been out years ago. Anyway…

Hamas terrorists attempted to reach a weapons cache hidden within a mosque in an IDF-controlled part of the Gaza Strip on the same day as Hamas released the final living hostages from captivity, according to an Army Radio report on Tuesday.

Army Radio reported that the group of terrorists crossed the Yellow Line, the perimeter to which the IDF withdrew following the implementation of the US-brokered Israel-Gaza ceasefire, before they were spotted by an IDF drone.
The terrorists were apprehended and detained by IDF soldiers before they reached the mosque, which is less than a mile away from the border fence opposite Kibbutz Nahal Oz.

Army Radio reported that the mosque had apparently been used as a Hamas headquarters and training facility. Searches of the compound uncovered detailed models of Kibbutz Sa’ad and Kibbutz Alumim.

Intelligence materials assessed by the IDF indicated that the site “was one of the mosques from which the Nukhba terrorists set out on October 7, where they trained and studied their raid targets down to the smallest details,” Army Radio reported.

The IDF also discovered a cache of RPG missiles and other powerful weapons hidden inside the mosque.

In the weeks following this incident, Hamas has made multiple attempts to breach the Yellow Line and has fired at Israeli troops across the line, repeatedly breaching the ceasefire deal.

The IDF has acted to reinforce the line and launched multiple strikes against Hamas in Gaza on Tuesday.
 

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Palestinians support Hamas, reject disarming: poll
Forty-one per cent of Palestinians favour "armed struggle" over negotiations, pacifism in quest of Palestinian state

Author of the article:Bryan Passifiume
Published Oct 31, 2025 • 3 minute read

OTTAWA — Most Palestinians support Hamas and the Oct. 7 terror attacks, and oppose disarming the terror group as a means to end the war in Gaza, according to a poll.


And a plurality of Palestinians consider “armed struggle” the best way to secure a Palestinian state, with negotiations and peaceful resistance earning lower marks.


The sobering new polling was released this week by the Ramallah-based Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research. The results could complicate Canada’s joint conditions for recognizing Palestinian statehood, including disarming Hamas and leaving governance in the hands of President Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority (PA.)

Support for Oct. 7 terror attacks strong amongst Palestinians
Support for the Oct. 7 terror attacks, which saw Palestinian terrorists unleash a wave of abductions, murder and sexual assault against Gaza-adjacent Israeli communities, sits at around 50%, the poll suggests — with high support for the attacks among residents of the West Bank.


Those attacks touched off well-organized and well-funded demonstrations and intimidation rallies here in Canada, with groups of far-left and anti-Israel activists holding regular rallies in city streets, at Jewish-owned businesses and even in Jewish neighborhoods, accusing Israel of conducting a so-called “genocide” in Gaza.

When asked which means of securing a Palestinian state would be most effective, 41% chose armed struggle, 36% said negotiations, and 19% opted for peaceful resistance.

Pollsters suggest public support for Hamas has only grown since the Oct. 7 attacks, both in Gaza and most notably the West Bank.

Disarming Hamas — one of Canada’s conditions for their Sept. recognition of a Palestinian state — has little support among Palestinians.


Eighty-five per cent of West Bank residents oppose disarming Hamas, while the number shrinks to just 55% among Gazans.



Support for Hamas far outstrips Palestinian Authority, Abbas
Approval ratings for Hamas sits at 60%, while approval for Abbas sits at just 20%.

“Public opinion reveals continued profound dissatisfaction with President Mahmoud Abbas, with three quarters disapproving of his performance and 80% wanting his resignation,” the pollsters wrote in their summary.

“This unpopularity is reflected in presidential polls where Abbas secures only 13% of the vote.”


Conversely, support for Marwan Barghouti of Hamas-rival Fatah is the highest among all Palestinians, while Hamas maintains the biggest popularity on a party-level.

“This is reinforced by the perception that Hamas is more deserving of leadership than Fatah under Abbas,” the pollsters wrote.

“However, a substantial segment of the public is deeply disillusioned with the status quo, as nearly a third believe neither party is worthy of representing the Palestinian people.”

Support for two-state solution mixed
Canada’s demands that the PA hold general elections in 2026 saw roughly two-thirds support support among Palestinians, but 60% of those polled do not believe the PA genuinely intend to hold elections.


The poll also found that 53% feel Canada’s joint recognition of a Palestinians state brings the end of Israeli occupation closer, while 45% disagreed.

Support for a two-state solution is also mixed, the poll suggests.

Forty-seven per cent of respondents prefer a two-state solution based on 1967 borders, while 18% prefer a confederation between a Palestinian state and Israel.

Twelve per cent preferer a single state where Palestinians and Israelis live as equals, while 24% declined to answer.

The poll was conducted among 1,200 Palestinians, 760 of which are residents of the West Bank and 440 Gaza residents, with a margin-of-error of ± 3.5%.

Efforts must go towards deradicalizing Palestinians, expert says
Casey Babb, director of the Macdonald-Laurier Institute’s Promised Land Program and adviser to secure Canada, told the Toronto Sun the polling only validates what observers have been warning for years — that support for Hamas remains high among Palestinians.

“The group is not a foreign entity that’s been parachuted into Gaza, but are a Palestinian organization that represents the very ethos of the Palestinian people,” he said.

“If there is going to be peace, the West needs to focus not on performative politicking and hope, but on deradicalizing the Palestinian people, which will take generations.”

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Then one the other sides of the borders in the Palestine Oreo, the polls show that 80% of Israelis oppose a Palestinian state. They say that granting them statehood would show that Hamas’s tactics- terror, massacre, and rape- work. They win victories for Palestinians that nonviolent political action never attained.
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At one time, 80% of Israelis supported a two-state solution (as in 1948, post-1967, and other times). One can guess that the 30% of those against it are settlers, their allies, and Right-wingers implacably opposed to any Palestinian state.
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However, 50% of the switchers are Israelis who were convinced by the October 7 massacre that the Palestinians will never live in peace with Israel, especially as polls showed that 80% of Gazans and West Bank Palestinians initially approved of Hamas’s tactics. They considered October 7 a great victory over Israel.
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Therefore, a Palestinian state would be a terrorist dagger pointed at Israel’s heart from Ramallah, 21 kilometers from Jerusalem, as opposed to Gaza, which is five times farther away.
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At present, the Palestinians’ national narrative is based on eliminating the Jewish state. This was shown in 1947 when the UN voted for establishing a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Israelis accepted. However, the Arab nations’ armies invaded, trying to destroy Israel rather than set up a Palestinian state.
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From 1948 to 1967, when Jordan controlled the West Bank, the Arab nations waged all-out political and economic war on Israel, but no Palestinian state was established. In 1970, the Arab League refused to negotiate or make peace with Israel’s existence, even though Israel was prepared to exchange land for peace and to allow a Palestinian state.
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Israel offered to allow the establishment of a Palestinian state on 95% of the West Bank – in 2000 by prime minister Ehud Barak and in 2009 by prime minister Ehud Olmert – but it was not accepted by the Palestinians because they would not accept a permanent Jewish state alongside theirs. Oh well…
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