Could be....but to me it seems to have the engine in the rear....no grill in front.....lost track of cars.
Liberal leader Stephan Dion Steps down
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Could be....but to me it seems to have the engine in the rear....no grill in front.....lost track of cars.
Ha any one who would think that Harper is a different man should think againnnnnnnnn.
Yep...it's a mid-engine and it sounds like a chainsaw coming up the street.
I honestly don't know what it is, or even 1/2 the stuff on the roads down
there. Some REALLY weird sh*t I tell you. I knew the American stuff from
the 40's-early 50's...and some newer stuff that I had no idea how it got there.
Most of the stuff on the roads was Russian, Brazilian, Chinese, Korean, and
God only know what. Most vehicles where missing their plating or had plating
off of other things. A FORD plating is a real status symbol. I don't know what this is:
But I know what it isn't:
I honestly don't know what it is, or even 1/2 the stuff on the roads down
there. Some REALLY weird sh*t I tell you. I knew the American stuff from
the 40's-early 50's...and some newer stuff that I had no idea how it got there.
Most of the stuff on the roads was Russian, Brazilian, Chinese, Korean, and
God only know what. Most vehicles where missing their plating or had plating
off of other things. A FORD plating is a real status symbol. I don't know what this is:
But I know what it isn't:
Geez....I just googled "Anglia" and you're right! I'm impressed! I knew it wasn't an F-250.
Hmmm I wasn't aware he said that. I guess great minds think alike
Or is it weak minds that seldom differ?
Perhaps when you don't use any modifiers when you say things like "Those who voted have said 'yes' to Harper, so crawl back to your den and hibernate."
Those who said yes are the minority, those who said no are the majority. So, saying those who voted said 'no' to Harper would be correct, even without qualifying how many, as they are the largest group.
Having the most votes of any party isn't the same thing.
Is that clear? It's not like calculus or anything...
Hey Walter Liberals are on regroup mode, the Conservatives are looking more in the rear view mirror and the Liberals are visible, they are coming back, you want to dispute that, just look at the 1993 election from 2 seats it took 13 years for the Conservatives to show political breathing again.. The Liberals at 76 seats they are not dead, and it wont take 13 years to resurface....
What will do Harper in is, the War and the economy, these two monkeys are hard to get rid off, Harper goes to sleep at night with these two......
I f Harper stayed in power for 4 years the deficit will rise to over $50Billion, 2 days after the election we hear a potential $10Billion deficit....................... Rethink your statement about the Liberals can't afford a lawyer. The right leader is chosen and the Canadian money bag Liberal supporters will insure that the Liberals will have a huge pool of doe to get them selfs promoted.
LOL, Soc, the liberals are down and going deeper. You are smoking some of your weed. There is nothing in the Conservative's rear view mirror. Wake up!!
Numbnuts, it ain't rocket science either, so don't put words in my mouth. Quit lying and just realize that the Conservatives are in power for 4 more years.
Ohhhhhhhh sure there is the Liberals and a big deficit....................... :lol:
Sun, October 19, 2008
Bailout, anyone?
Liberal Party, just like Wall Street, is in a financial crisis
By GREG WESTON
Ten days before last week's federal election, a Liberal party fundraising letter announced that Stephanie Dion was "the only leader with a viable plan to address the growing crisis facing Canada's economy."
Unfortunately, it would seem Dion has had no such plan to address a worsening financial crisis in his own party during the past 22 months he has been in charge.
As a result, if Dion announces as expected tomorrow he will be stepping down as Liberal leader, the professor who imagined himself prime minister will leave behind a party deep in debt and with no foreseeable way to dig itself out of the hole.
"We are screwed more than most people realize," says a long-time Liberal insider.
Another says: "People are even talking about the possibility of bankruptcy."
While the idea of the bailiff seizing the most successful political party in Canadian history is surely over the top, there is no question Dion's successor will be inheriting a financial mess.
Already, the party's money woes are driving virtually every major issue confronting the Liberals, from Dion's departure to the next leadership race to the effectiveness of the Grits as official opposition in Parliament.
Party officials tell us that once all the campaign expenses are in and the government rebates have been received, the party will likely finish the year at least $6 million in debt.
To put that in perspective, the total of all Liberal party fundraising under Dion's leadership in the first half of this year was only $1.7 million, even less than the NDP.
By comparison, the Conservatives raised $8.5 million in the same period of time.
SUBSIDY REDUCED
Both the Liberals and Conservatives are currently getting around $8 million a year each from taxpayers, but even that is about to be cut for the Grits.
The federal subsidies to all the federal parties are based on $1.95 for each vote a party gets in a general election.
Under Dion's leadership, the Liberals just dropped 850,000 votes from the previous election -- losing about $1.6 million in funding per year.
Holed up at Stornoway since election night, Dion has been forced to ponder some serious money issues of his own in addition to the mess on the party's books.
The problem was Dion raised $956,000 for his 2006 leadership campaign, but wound up spending almost $1.8 million by the time all the bills were in.
That left him with $705,000 in outstanding loans, and more than $200,000 in unpaid bills.
Eighteen months later, Dion's official filings with Elections Canada show that as of June 30 this year, the Liberal leader still had $625,000 in outstanding loans.
One of Dion's senior officials claims the leader's debts will have been reduced to less than $250,000 by the end of this month.
But even in the unlikely event that happens, Dion is not about to leave office with even a quarter-million-dollar personal debt to repay.
Problem is, there is no fast way to make all that red ink disappear.
Gone are the days of a couple of deep-pocket Liberal businessmen quietly coming to the aid of their party.
Jean Chretien's changes to election financing laws and subsequent Conservative amendments mean Dion has to pay off his debt with maximum personal donations of $1,100 a piece. No corporate anything allowed.
DRAWING CARD?
Unfortunately, the Liberal leader who just took his party down to its worst vote in history may not be a big drawing card for those $500-plate fundraisers now, much less after he steps down.
While Dion is trying to negotiate away his debts as a condition of leaving, those who would replace him are facing an even more dire financial predicament.
Like Dion, most of them still haven't even paid off their debts from their last go at the Grit crown two years ago.
Michael Ignatieff and Bob Rae are out of the red, a testament to their star power and fundraising abilities that will likely put them at the front of the race again.
But even they face huge financial hurdles.
Between the two of them, Iggy and Rae spent close to $5 million losing the 2006 leadership race to Dion.
With Liberal pockets having just been ransacked for the federal election, and the party not exactly riding a wave of popularity, it is hard to imagine where candidates this time will find enough cash for campaign buttons.
Of course, Dion could emerge from hiding this coming week and repeat what he said on election night -- namely, he is staying on to lead the party.
In that case, the Liberals would have to spend the next six months organizing to execute Dion at their next convention in May, and then start the leadership race to replace him at a whole separate convention. By then, the Liberals would be so broke that those who would otherwise fight to lead the party might well tell Dion he can keep it.
Bailout, anyone?
Liberal Party, just like Wall Street, is in a financial crisis
By GREG WESTON
Ten days before last week's federal election, a Liberal party fundraising letter announced that Stephanie Dion was "the only leader with a viable plan to address the growing crisis facing Canada's economy."
Unfortunately, it would seem Dion has had no such plan to address a worsening financial crisis in his own party during the past 22 months he has been in charge.
As a result, if Dion announces as expected tomorrow he will be stepping down as Liberal leader, the professor who imagined himself prime minister will leave behind a party deep in debt and with no foreseeable way to dig itself out of the hole.
"We are screwed more than most people realize," says a long-time Liberal insider.
Another says: "People are even talking about the possibility of bankruptcy."
While the idea of the bailiff seizing the most successful political party in Canadian history is surely over the top, there is no question Dion's successor will be inheriting a financial mess.
Already, the party's money woes are driving virtually every major issue confronting the Liberals, from Dion's departure to the next leadership race to the effectiveness of the Grits as official opposition in Parliament.
Party officials tell us that once all the campaign expenses are in and the government rebates have been received, the party will likely finish the year at least $6 million in debt.
To put that in perspective, the total of all Liberal party fundraising under Dion's leadership in the first half of this year was only $1.7 million, even less than the NDP.
By comparison, the Conservatives raised $8.5 million in the same period of time.
SUBSIDY REDUCED
Both the Liberals and Conservatives are currently getting around $8 million a year each from taxpayers, but even that is about to be cut for the Grits.
The federal subsidies to all the federal parties are based on $1.95 for each vote a party gets in a general election.
Under Dion's leadership, the Liberals just dropped 850,000 votes from the previous election -- losing about $1.6 million in funding per year.
Holed up at Stornoway since election night, Dion has been forced to ponder some serious money issues of his own in addition to the mess on the party's books.
The problem was Dion raised $956,000 for his 2006 leadership campaign, but wound up spending almost $1.8 million by the time all the bills were in.
That left him with $705,000 in outstanding loans, and more than $200,000 in unpaid bills.
Eighteen months later, Dion's official filings with Elections Canada show that as of June 30 this year, the Liberal leader still had $625,000 in outstanding loans.
One of Dion's senior officials claims the leader's debts will have been reduced to less than $250,000 by the end of this month.
But even in the unlikely event that happens, Dion is not about to leave office with even a quarter-million-dollar personal debt to repay.
Problem is, there is no fast way to make all that red ink disappear.
Gone are the days of a couple of deep-pocket Liberal businessmen quietly coming to the aid of their party.
Jean Chretien's changes to election financing laws and subsequent Conservative amendments mean Dion has to pay off his debt with maximum personal donations of $1,100 a piece. No corporate anything allowed.
DRAWING CARD?
Unfortunately, the Liberal leader who just took his party down to its worst vote in history may not be a big drawing card for those $500-plate fundraisers now, much less after he steps down.
While Dion is trying to negotiate away his debts as a condition of leaving, those who would replace him are facing an even more dire financial predicament.
Like Dion, most of them still haven't even paid off their debts from their last go at the Grit crown two years ago.
Michael Ignatieff and Bob Rae are out of the red, a testament to their star power and fundraising abilities that will likely put them at the front of the race again.
But even they face huge financial hurdles.
Between the two of them, Iggy and Rae spent close to $5 million losing the 2006 leadership race to Dion.
With Liberal pockets having just been ransacked for the federal election, and the party not exactly riding a wave of popularity, it is hard to imagine where candidates this time will find enough cash for campaign buttons.
Of course, Dion could emerge from hiding this coming week and repeat what he said on election night -- namely, he is staying on to lead the party.
In that case, the Liberals would have to spend the next six months organizing to execute Dion at their next convention in May, and then start the leadership race to replace him at a whole separate convention. By then, the Liberals would be so broke that those who would otherwise fight to lead the party might well tell Dion he can keep it.
Walter, you are wasting your time, Dion is stepping down, the Liberals will 100% regroup not exile like the Mulroney Tories faced, the Liberals will be the next majority government in Canada...............on the next election.................the only time a majority will not take place for the Liberals is if they elect the wrong guy......................