Dion's meltdown

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Listen to the interview.

He very clearly asks "If you were prime minister now, what would you have done about the economy and this crisis that Mr. Harper had not done."

The interviewer repeats that. Then Dion asks "How long have I been Prime minister? 2 years?"

The interviewer states "No, Today".

So Dion answers, what would he start doing today (assuming the interveiwer screwed up the tense)

This apparently is not what the interviewer meant (meaning he screwed up the day Dion should have started, ie, Not today but some date in the past)


When the Interviewer goes he makes it clear, What would you have ALREADY DONE

Dion makes it clear if its something he should have already done in the past, not what he would do starting today, he needs to know how far in the past is he going.
 
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Stephanie understood the question very well, he just didn't have an answer.
 

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Stephanie understood the question very well, he just didn't have an answer.

Then why did he give one?

I'd like to ask you, what was the question?

It was not "What would you do differently about the economic crisis today"

Because he answered that and that wasn't what the interviewer asked according to the interviewer.

It was not "What would you have done in hindsight to avoid the crisis"

Because the Interviewer said that wasn't the question and wouldn't tell him how long ago he'd be able to act.


So what was the question exactly? No one can really seem to say that.


And I say this, as someone who despises Dion to the bottom of his soul.
 

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I know If I was going to trip up a witness, that's how I would put the question to him. Has harpo yet figured out the difference between working and investing? ...Stockholders and Unions? ...Bank and economy? Canada isn't a business. It's people. Harper isn't even fit to drive a bus if he doesn't care about the lives his decisions affect....
 

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wow Harpers wolf side shows again with his bully tactics :(
I think Dion has a better command of our language then the person asking the question.
if these are his exact words, "If you were prime minister now, what would you have done about the economy and this crisis that Mr. Harper had not done

The question should of been If you were prime minister now what would you do.

not,"If you were prime minister now(present tense), what would you have done(past tense)

when I read this sentence I would think they meant what would I have done not what I would do now. He asked if it was back then as he often does probably cause our lack of command of our own language. Then he just wanted to make sure it was not when he would be prime minster. Which in my opinion is very wise to be clear what tense he is referring too.

Its pretty obvious to me this is a loaded question. In fact that sentence is bad English, I would say. Then Harper bullies him on it. Another stop sign for Harper and a Go sign for Dion

 

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Harper was interviewed by CBC yesterday by Peter Mansbridge, Harper was asked by Peter, sir you had a minority mandate and you fount that to be unproductive in the last four months you know that if you got elected the way the polls show you will be on a minority?
Harper "yes I know but when you look at 2 minorities back to back that is a strong mandate"

What a manipulating pathetic control freak............................
 

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wow Harpers wolf side shows again with his bully tactics :(
I think Dion has a better command of our language then the person asking the question.
if these are his exact words, "If you were prime minister now, what would you have done about the economy and this crisis that Mr. Harper had not done

The question should of been If you were prime minister now what would you do.

not,"If you were prime minister now(present tense), what would you have done(past tense)

when I read this sentence I would think they meant what would I have done not what I would do now. He asked if it was back then as he often does probably cause our lack of command of our own language. Then he just wanted to make sure it was not when he would be prime minster. Which in my opinion is very wise to be clear what tense he is referring too.

Its pretty obvious to me this is a loaded question. In fact that sentence is bad English, I would say. Then Harper bullies him on it. Another stop sign for Harper and a Go sign for Dion


No kidding the REPORTER IS A TYPICAL peep squeak.......or he was a CON plant.....:angryfire::angryfire:
 

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Then why did he give one?

After how long did he give an answer? The third time? fourth?

I'd like to ask you, what was the question?

If he was prime minister.... Today.... what would he do..... Today..... that Harper hasn't done yet.... Today..... if he was Prime Minister Today.

It doesn't matter if he was prime minister two years ago, two weeks from now or a year from now.... What would his solution be for the current situation if the choice was his.

It's not that damn hard to figure out.... frig a kid in grade 7 could think of something.

It was not "What would you do differently about the economic crisis today"

Yes it was.... He said what would he do differently from Harper today. If he was Prime Minister.... Dion asked when, Steve threw out Today as an example...... then he ran off about other days.

Because he answered that and that wasn't what the interviewer asked according to the interviewer.

I honestly didn't hear anything that made sense as an answer.

It was not "What would you have done in hindsight to avoid the crisis"

No, it was what would he do to currently fix the current problem..... how hard is this to understand?

Must be Maritime Accent problems or something. :-?

Because the Interviewer said that wasn't the question and wouldn't tell him how long ago he'd be able to act.

Because the damn question wasn't about how long ago.... it was a question in regards to what is happening currently.

If Dion doesn't think Harper is doing a good job on the situation, what would he do better right now if he was Prime Minister to fix it?

In other words... if the election was last week and he won.... wtf would he do?

Nothing, because he doesn't have a clue.

So what was the question exactly? No one can really seem to say that.

Are you that fkn blind and deaf? I explained it several times in several different ways in regards to the same question.... Steve explained it multiple times..... the people in the background seemed to understand the question and said it to him again...... You can clearly hear the question over and over again.... you can twist this around all you wish, it doesn't remove the fact that it was a very simple question and he didn't have an answer, so he stalled for time.

And I say this, as someone who despises Dion to the bottom of his soul.

Well I don't despise the guy as much as you, but I certainly believe he is not PM material, he screws up multiple times, he has issues with giving straight answers out of fear of saying the wrong thing, which is worse then saying the wrong thing, and if he can't answer a question like this without worrying about pissing off the middle class or the banks, then he's useless as a leader of the nation.
 

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wow Harpers wolf side shows again with his bully tactics :(
I think Dion has a better command of our language then the person asking the question.

Steve Murphy is one of the few in the news industry that I actually have respect for, he's been doing his job in the news long before some here have been crapping in their diapers.

"CTV Atlantic's supper-hour newscast, the CTV News is the most watched news cast in the Maritime region. Hosted by Steve Murphy, CTV Atlantic's longest-serving journalist, the newscast reaches viewers from across the region.

Steve Murphy, originally from Saint John, New Brunswick, has been in broadcasting for most of his life. Steve took his first job with a local radio station while he was still in high school. That eventually led him to Halifax and CJCH radio, and from there to CTV Atlantic, where he started as the host of Live at 5. In 1993, Steve moved on to become the anchor of the CTV News.

Steve doesn't simply read the news, he develops ideas, writes copies, presents the news and produces the show. Steve is also the anchor of the CTV News, weekdays at 12:00 broadcast on ASN. A respected broadcaster in the Maritimes, Steve has also graced the national airwaves, filling in for Lloyd Robertson on occasion at the CTV National News anchor desk.

The CTV News is broadcast live from Halifax at the CTV Atlantic studios. This one-hour show presents viewers with stories from around the region, the country and the world."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/show/CTVShows/20031021/ctvAtlantic-EveNews/20080123/

The guy knows how to ask a question and knows how to be straight forward, which is why he aired these screw ups of Dion because the Liberals told him to hide them away from the public and not air them.

If anybody else, Harper, Layton, May or anybody else screwed up on a question, it'd be a blooper, funny, ha ha, because most normal people who know what they are doing answer the question right the second time around..... Dion is incompetent, and for the party to attempt to silence the media here for their own agendas is a joke.

I actually have respect for Steve for doing what he did.

The moment someone catches him hiding a Harper or Layton screwup of equal value, I'll change my story.

Until then..... the comment about him not knowing how to ask the question is ludicous, as I fully understood the question the very first time I heard it.

And if he couldn't figure it out, then once again, that must be due to our accents here, either that or he simply doesn't know how to relate to people here.

if these are his exact words, "If you were prime minister now, what would you have done about the economy and this crisis that Mr. Harper had not done

The question should of been If you were prime minister now what would you do.

not,"If you were prime minister now(present tense), what would you have done(past tense)

*twirls finger in the air* Whoopie Doo...

If he was Prime Minister Now.... What would his solution have been today.... as if he woke up this morning and thought something up..... after lunch, before the interview..... two seconds before the question..... it doesn't matter..... if he's planning to run for Prime Minister and has a chance of winning next week..... one would hope he would have a plan at present to deal with the current situation, not whip something out of his ass after the fact.

That's a sign of no planning.

when I read this sentence I would think they meant what would I have done not what I would do now. He asked if it was back then as he often does probably cause our lack of command of our own language. Then he just wanted to make sure it was not when he would be prime minster. Which in my opinion is very wise to be clear what tense he is referring too.
Its pretty obvious to me this is a loaded question. In fact that sentence is bad English, I would say. Then Harper bullies him on it. Another stop sign for Harper and a Go sign for Dion

Sorry, but that's how most talk around here, deal with it. It wasn't a loaded question as 95% of the people in the maritimes would have understood it from the get go..... and if there is any question about grammar, then common sense would suggest you take the first tense in the question, which was present, not past......

And if it was a confusion of Present and Past.... why the hell did Dion go on about the Future, as in next week or a month or whever the hell he could think up?

Case in Point:

If the question was asked to me, my response would be to explain my current plans I have in mind that my party and I have been working on, I would have laid out the current issues, how the became to be, and how I would fix them right now "Today"

The simple explination is that Dion doesn't have a plan, because he's just going to blame it all on Harper as he currently is doing, and he doesn't have a plan because he's not Prime Minister yet.

The one answer he was trying to give he stopped short of going into the details of his plan and restarted the question so nobody would know what his plans were.

That's how I see it..... then again, maybe that's due to Dion's piss poor grasp on the English language as you so put in reference to someone else.
 

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No kidding the REPORTER IS A TYPICAL peep squeak.......or he was a CON plant.....:angryfire::angryfire:

News Flash:

Most in Nova Scotia Don't like the Conservatives all that much since the Offshore deal screw over... Most in Nova Scotia don't like the LIberals because of the HST screw over.

If you want to put blame on anybody, get it right and back up your claims.

I highly doubt his reasons were due to supporting one party or another, but many in the Maritimes are very critical with just about every party out there due to past history.

The Maritimes are the poorest provinces in the Country, who've been screwed over more times and worse then most others in Canada..... we have good reason to be extremely judgemental of anybody we're going to be electing.
 

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Conservatives: 34 (-1)


Liberals: 30 (+2)


New Democrats: 19 (-)


Greens: 7 (-1)


Bloc Quebecois: 10 (-)


Undecided: 14 (-2)​



God knows where those numbers came from, but I bet they're from where pretty much all the other numbers come from..... central Canada, or in more detail, Ontario.....

For once I'd like to see some polls from each province expressed..... oh but that would confuse some people I suppose.
 

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Stephanie understood the question very well, he just didn't have an answer.

Harper was interviewed by CBC yesterday by Peter Mansbridge, Harper was asked by Peter, sir you had a minority mandate and you fount that to be unproductive in the last four months you know that if you got elected the way the polls show you will be on a minority?
Harper "yes I know but when you look at 2 minorities back to back that is a strong mandate"

http://www.cbc.ca/national/blog/spec...rper_live.html


Hey Walter take a close look at what your Einstein said above and make sure you visist the link above.........................
Harper is by far not the sharpest knife in the droor .......................
 

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If a federal election were held tomorrow, which one of the following parties would you be most likely to support in your constituency?

Oct. 10
Conservative
38%

Liberal
28%

New Democratic Party
19%

Bloc Québécois
9%

Green
6%

Other
0%

Source: Angus Reid Strategies / Toronto Star
Methodology: Online interviews with 2,000 Canadian adults, conducted from Oct. 8 to Oct. 10, 2008. Margin of error is 2.2 per cent.

The trend is up for the Tories. Another couple of days like the last two and the majority will be a sure thing.
 

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Dream on Walter.... With the pettiniess your sainted Tories are demonstrating ... what with Harper insulting French intellect in comprehending convoluted English-spoken interrogatives, and his Saulte Ste Marie guy crying foul because he didn't take part in Micheal Moore's project comparing Canadian and American election processes, one can safely assume Harpo and gang are grabbing for anything that might halt the fall into the cesspool....

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2874/107096
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/11/198450.aspx
 

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CTV wants to be the official broadcaster of the Conservative Party and want to be the only ones to ask questions at press conferences of scrums.

CTV News likes to be told by the Conservatives and Stevie Harper likes to answer pre-approved questions.

We have to remember that it was a CTV anchorwoman that got fired over a comment she made on air when she was told her microphone was turned off and it wasn’t.

If it wasn’t for CITY TV in Toronto that put visible minorities in front of the camera for their news program CTV would not have to use visible minorities in theirs.

We have to remember that it was a Reform/Conservative member that said “If you walk into a store and see a visible minority clerk you should have the right to ask the manager to tell the clerk to go to the back of the store in the stock room until he has left the store”

When you think about it, does CTV mean Conservative TV?
 

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CTV wants to be the official broadcaster of the Conservative Party and want to be the only ones to ask questions at press conferences of scrums.

CTV News likes to be told by the Conservatives and Stevie Harper likes to answer pre-approved questions.

We have to remember that it was a CTV anchorwoman that got fired over a comment she made on air when she was told her microphone was turned off and it wasn’t.

If it wasn’t for CITY TV in Toronto that put visible minorities in front of the camera for their news program CTV would not have to use visible minorities in theirs.

We have to remember that it was a Reform/Conservative member that said “If you walk into a store and see a visible minority clerk you should have the right to ask the manager to tell the clerk to go to the back of the store in the stock room until he has left the store”

When you think about it, does CTV mean Conservative TV?

Something to think about.

scratch
 

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From today's Bourque;
Dime-a-dozen polls:
Ctv/g&m: Con 35% Libs 28% NDP 19% Bloc 9%, Grn 9%
Ang/Reid: Con 38% Libs 28% NDP 19% Bloc 9%, Grn 6%
cpac: Con 32% Libs 28% Ndp 22% Bloc 10% Grn 8%
cp: Con 35% Libs 25% Ndp 18% Grn 11%

Add a couple of floor crossers and you got yourself a majority.