Well... you certainly have a point about the reproductive system... and you gave me a good laugh!:lol:
Maybe that incompetent God will catch up in ''Humanity 2.0''... and sperm will taste like chocolate milk! ;-)
Does God exist?
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Well... you certainly have a point about the reproductive system... and you gave me a good laugh!:lol:
Maybe that incompetent God will catch up in ''Humanity 2.0''... and sperm will taste like chocolate milk! ;-)
Now that would be rather rude to presume I can think your thoughts wouldn't it? God, good, goode, Good Ordered Direction.... What works for me most likely does not work for you. I am very much the realist ... enough so to accept every day as something I can't give myself.
But it's all because your eyes are closed to it. As I am sure he exists you are sure he does not.
I can tell you I have had experiences that I can only put down to having God with me. I am no Bible thumper, but it made me see with no doubt that God is there, God is with me and he does amazing things. Over and over and over.
On the technical end, my piont was that if God didn't design anything and it's all so random the odds of this working as well as it does would appear to me to be much worse than any lottery we play. Trees they are alive with no brains knowing what to do, birds with may i say bird brains following stars to Mexico..doesn't appear to random to this boy.
I have been around for a long time and I still don't know. I just live my life as best I can, try not to hurt anyone and will wait untill this life is over to find out what and if there is another side. In the grand scheme of things it really doesn't make my life better or worse.
Hang in there OttawaBill, I don't think you are wrong as some of the more violently militant posters indicate but I do think we have brand recognition problems with respect to the label "God", many people jump to the judeaochristian article reflexively. My views support god but admit from the beginning there is no explanation, this of course is in tune with the state of mankinds total ignorance and insignifigance in the limitlessness of the universe.
Of course the problem with this discussion is the old squeaky wheel syndrome. I beleive in God. I know he is there. BUT, humanists will see it through jaded eyes, tv evangelists and islamic terrorist. The truth and the message get blurred by coruption and power then presented as "the way". This is the human flaw!
God could likely care less about how much money a church makes, if the U.S of A is victorious, whatever.
The calling is higher, some force..I call God. set forth all this energy into a focused form..creation!
It is no more silly than to say..well duh..it just happened!
God could likely care less about how much money a church makes, if the U.S of A is victorious, whatever.
The calling is higher, some force..I call God. set forth all this energy into a focused form..creation!
It is no more silly than to say..well duh..it just happened!
I'm sure you can, and I'm equally sure they have mundane explanations. Every believer I've ever met makes that claim in some form. They're not evidence of anything, they're just hearsay and anecdote.
That's the fallacy of the false dichotomy. God doing it or pure randomness doing it aren't the only options, as science itself makes perfectly clear. There is an element of randomness, but there's a lot more going on than that and there's no value in invoking a deity to explain any of it. Invoking a deity makes it even more mysterious, because then you have to explain the deity somehow if you really want to make sense of things. Claiming that god did it doesn't explain anything, it's the death of any further attempt to find explanations, because implicitly it means that's as far as we can go. It's not a useful hypothesis, it's a dead end.
Are you positive you don't have your eyes closed to the truth?
Is it possible that there is something after we die? I think its possible, there are things that if they are true would support this concept. Ghosts, physic's claiming to talk to those who have passed away, young children who claim they used to be someone else living in a different part of the world and when they check the stories out they were accurate about describing that other life and that person has passed away. But this doesn't prove to me there is a god.
I've heard many stories myself and some from people I don't believe would lie to me, for instance my mother said one night while she was sleeping a knock come to the door and she went to the door and asked, "who is it". A man said he had a flat tire and wanted to use the phone. She then heard a voice that said don't open the door. startled she said wait a minute, she then phoned the neighbor and he opened his door and asked the man if he could help him and the man ran to his car and drove off.
Both my mother and her brother said my grandfather, their dad come to them the night he died and said everything will be alright.
My mother taught me all my life not to lie and I have seen her end relationships when people have lied to her so I don't think she would lie. I myself heard a feminine voice say to me "You are the closest one ever" and I also heard the name of a city, this happened when I was reading the bible and trying to read between the lines about what really happened during the parts of the bible up to around the end of the story of Moses. I think the city the voice spoke of has the proof of what really happened (about what I'm the closest one ever to) during the days of Moses and possible other things are located there. I believe this is some of the truth that will set us free from those who believe god wants them to eradicate those who don't follow their ways.
One possibility is that maybe there are good people in this realm where we go when we die that help people who truly have good hearts and/or will have something to do with bring lots of truth/good to our world. Is it possible that The Mighty God is really The Mighty Good? The deeper I understand good the more I believe this to be true.
My father suggests that this help might come from our genetic code similar to how a child has the ability to play music very well. Perhaps the more good we become the more this genetic code is triggered, like an instinct to protect us so we can spread good. Possibly this is one way good generates good.
One other point I would like to make in this post. I seen someone mentioned that one thing that proofs god is real is that different isolated groups all believe in some kind of god. To me this proves the exact opposite. For instance the Indians of North America believe in mother earth and reincarnating into different living creatures. The god of moses branched off into several different religions. We have found primitive tribes that worship different totally different gods.
If god is communicating with people, I would think he would get them all on the same track. Now that would help prove to me that god exists.
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Demons, Mother Goose, leprachauns, gods, etc. don't exist outside the human imagination because there is no evidence or no reasonable grounds to indicate that they do. The best that believers can come up with is that gods exist just because. Logically they haven't the ground to stand on. And the Bible talks about building on sand as opposed to building on rock. lmao The faithful are mired in over their heads in this nonsensical goo.
(Sorry, that's the best I can do on short notice. Dex is a hard act to follow)
(Sorry, that's the best I can do on short notice. Dex is a hard act to follow)
God usually has people on the same track..but few listen is all. I don't need to prove his existance. It was proven to me.
Let's leave it as that. I didn't start out believing, but I sure do now. To be honest anything can be explained as anything if you want it to be that way.
The general problem here is you are looking for your way to be God's way, your time frame to be his. It's the other way around.
A true belief leaves you peaceful and filled. It's letting go to allow God to take care of it. and he does!
Let's leave it as that. I didn't start out believing, but I sure do now. To be honest anything can be explained as anything if you want it to be that way.
The general problem here is you are looking for your way to be God's way, your time frame to be his. It's the other way around.
A true belief leaves you peaceful and filled. It's letting go to allow God to take care of it. and he does!
I really don't think you are being honest. Religions are very much on different tracks. So much so that they have been at war in some cases from the origins of their beginning. In fact within the individual religions there are differences between the different groups. I feel that if I was to produce the precise equation that proves that god doesn't exist many would still believe God exists. Because they are closed to any possibility that God doesn't exist. Even undeniable proof will not change their mind. This would mean that they believe its just not possible that there is another explanation. Seems rather closed minded to me.
If you wish to leave it as that, you are welcome to but I feel its way to important to leave as that. You say let's leave it as that, but then you continue to express your point of view. Seems like you want me to do as you say and not as you do. Similar to God saying don't kill but then he kills or a parent saying don't smoke its bad for you while they puff on a smoke. I heard on TV the other day they figure if you smoke your child is 2 times more likely to smoke. I guess this is why people kill in the name of their religion.
The problem is I will not just accept God's way with out question or even except my way with out question. I want to find out the way that remains after questioning it throughly.
Very understandable, of course we will feel peaceful and filled when we can leave all the problems of humanity to God to take care of. Is God really taking care of them, I certainly don't see this at all, 30 thousand people die of starvation every day and there is so much suffering all over this planet, its sickening.
Wars are raging and looming in the distance, some would say they are religious wars.Suffering generates Suffering
Is part of the definition of Utopia/Heaven. A place where people don't do things that make others suffer!
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Interesting link for gods children....
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080605_A_word_for_nonbelievers.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080605_A_word_for_nonbelievers.html