The hurricane may start as a sandstorm.

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The hurricane may start as a sandstorm


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The hurricane may start in the desert, and then strengthen at the ocean. "The desert is its mother (that delivers it) and the ocean is its father (that grows and strengthens it.")
http://www.physorg.com/news74270454.html
http://www.livescience.com/environment/061010_dust_hurricanes.html

Others say the opposite: that the sandstorms of the African Sahara may depress the hurricane formation: i.e. the sand particles may suppress the formation of the hurricane.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2007/inside_hurricanes.html

The tribe of Aad:
They were exterminated, by the hurricane, before the Islam; they dwelt near Yemen in a sand hills region; their main city was called Erum; their houses were strongly constructed with stones, and the columns were erected for their houses.

God – be glorified – sent them an apostle: Hood, who invited them to serve God alone, and to desert their idols, but they rejected him; so God loosed on them some stormy winds that lasted seven nights and eight days until they were totally exterminated.

God – be exalted – said in the Quran 69: 6-8

وَأَمَّا عَادٌ فَأُهْلِكُوا بِرِيحٍ صَرْصَرٍ عَاتِيَةٍ . سَخَّرَهَا عَلَيْهِمْ سَبْعَ لَيَالٍ وَثَمَانِيَةَ أَيَّامٍ حُسُومًا فَتَرَى الْقَوْمَ فِيهَا صَرْعَى كَأَنَّهُمْ أَعْجَازُ نَخْلٍ خَاوِيَةٍ . فَهَلْ تَرَى لَهُم مِّن بَاقِيَةٍ

The explanation:
(And as for Aad: they were exterminated by a "cold roaring" stormy wind.

That He made to rage against them for seven nights and eight days;

and which cut [the trees and palms] like [the cutting of the sword];

so that you might see the people lying [dead on the ground], as if they were hollow stems of palm-trees.

And can you see any of them left surviving!? [No, they all perished.] )

The stages of the hurricane of Aad:
  • It may have started as a sandstorm.
  • Then its speed started to increase.
  • It outstripped - with its speed - the horse, the deer and every creature on earth.
  • When it came and they saw it from a far distance, it looked like a cloud.
  • It carried coldness, and had a roaring sound.
  • It ripped through the land.
  • It plucked the people from their homes and hiding places and cast them dead some distance away.
  • It destroyed every thing: their crops and their property and themselves.
  • People of the disbelievers were exterminated, and their [strongly-constructed stony] homes only were spared.
  • The hurricane lasted seven nights and eight days, and it exterminated the disbelievers.
God threatened the idolater of Mecca: if they do not believe in Him as One God and in His apostle Mohammed; He will loose against them the storms, and will destroy them as had He exterminated the tribe of Aad with the hurricanes.

The wind minnows the hay and scatters the dust.

This is in the Quran 51: 1-4

وَالذَّارِيَاتِ ذَرْوًا . فَالْحَامِلَاتِ وِقْرًا . فَالْجَارِيَاتِ يُسْرًا . فَالْمُقَسِّمَاتِ أَمْرًا

The explanation:
(1- By [those] scattering [winds, sent on Hood's people: the tribe of Aad,] that scattered!
2- And that bore the heavy load!
3- And that moved swiftly!
4- And [violently] parted the Am'r [: demons and souls!]
[If you [Meccans] believe not, We shall send on you such winds that will destroy you.] )

It mean here: it started as a wind that scattered the dust, then it grew stronger so that it carried the heavy loads, then it moved swiftly; so that it cast away the mighty genies (demons) with its strength and violence.

Other ayat, some of which I mention here may bear much knowledge about the hurricane and its development:

 
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What's that new sub-forum? Alternate theories and hypotheses? Or is it pseudo-science something-or-other?

Anyway, that's where this belongs.

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eanassir

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What's that new sub-forum? Alternate theories and hypotheses? Or is it pseudo-science something-or-other?

Anyway, that's where this belongs.

Edit: And part 2

You say so because you don't like it; although you know very well it is the truth from the Lord of nations and worlds. What shall I say to you: this is your fortune: a loser.
 

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God – be glorified – sent them an apostle: Hood, who invited them to serve God alone, and to desert their idols, but they rejected him; so God loosed on them some stormy winds that lasted seven nights and eight days until they were totally exterminated.
Nice. The messenger fails to convince people so god kills everybody. And this is Allah the Merciful? That's beneath contempt.
 

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You say so because you don't like it; although you know very well it is the truth from the Lord of nations and worlds. What shall I say to you: this is your fortune: a loser.

I say so, because I know better.

A hurricane forms from a low pressure system that is already rotating. Warm moist air is sucked up into the thunder head. The tropical depression is evident by at least one closed isobar. As it moves across warmer waters, it sucks up more moist warm air and intensifies, provided that the wind shear doesn't chop off the top of the system, or impede the convection from surface waters up to the cloud level.

A dust storm is not even close to this. It's a wind front that moves across arid and semi-arid land. They don't form low pressure cells and they don't have cyclonic properties. It's dry air, and that kills hurricanes.

Dust storms suppress convection. That suppresses hurricane birthing. The two aren't related. Your nonsense ramblings don't belong in this sub-forum.
 

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I blame butterflies!!!!
 

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If you needed a hocus-pocus explanation, aren't there and, like, cooler things you could attribute this to, like some kind of viking storm god or tiki-type thing??

THAT I could get behind
 

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Great stories EA, I like the old traditions and stories and I don't see why a hurricane shouldn't start as a sandstorm.

DB, at last we too are going to be a story and a history.
The stories of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Ismael, Jacob and Joseph were before Moses; and God revealed these stories to Moses, so his people wrote these stories in the Torah; then these stories were revealed once again to Mohammed and they wrote them in the book of the Quran; so they became a deuteronomy: means repeated in the Quran; they include terrible lessons to believers.
Other stories like Aad, Thamood in the Quran said to be mentioned in the papers of Abraham and Moses (included in the Genesis). Thamood name is mentioned in the present Genesis.
Other stories in the Quran (including terrible lessons) were: Shuaib, Sheba, Tubba'a and Pharaoh.

About the relation of the sandstorm to the hurricane; it is not mentioned lit. in the Quran, nor by the late interpreter; but the first aya 51: 1 that I cited and its ineterpretation:
وَالذَّارِيَاتِ ذَرْوًا
The explanation:
(1- By [those] scattering [winds, sent on Hood's people: the tribe of Aad,] that scattered!)

I thought may give such implication from the context of the following ayat. [Refer to the post.]
 
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eanassir

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Nice. The messenger fails to convince people so god kills everybody. And this is Allah the Merciful? That's beneath contempt.
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God is Most Gracious to believers and non-believers in this World, and is Most Merciful to believers only, on Judgment Day.
God is Most Merciful to believers, but He is Almighty and Terrible Avenger against disbelievers, associaters, idolaters and atheists.

It is not "the messenger fails to convince people", but those peoples were wrongdoers, did not deserve guidance; they see the truth before their eyes, but prefer to be stubborn deniers and insisted on lying; the messenger (or the apostle came to warn them of the consequence of their idolatry, but they were arrogant and did not yield to the evidence and miracles done before their eyes; but they said all this is a sorcery and magic, and the apostle was a liar; that is because of their wrongdoing of each other and wronging their own selves.

God did not kill everybody; but He saved the believers: the monotheists, and killed the disbelievers and the idolaters.

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I say so, because I know better.

A hurricane forms from a low pressure system that is already rotating. Warm moist air is sucked up into the thunder head. The tropical depression is evident by at least one closed isobar. As it moves across warmer waters, it sucks up more moist warm air and intensifies, provided that the wind shear doesn't chop off the top of the system, or impede the convection from surface waters up to the cloud level.

A dust storm is not even close to this. It's a wind front that moves across arid and semi-arid land. They don't form low pressure cells and they don't have cyclonic properties. It's dry air, and that kills hurricanes.

Dust storms suppress convection. That suppresses hurricane birthing. The two aren't related. Your nonsense ramblings don't belong in this sub-forum.

You don't know better; only you know some part of the subject.
Go and see what researches and studies they are doing and studying.
I said at the start of the post that there are two opinions: some agree to this idea, and others refuse it.
I don't insist on the idea that the hurricane starts as a sandstorm; refer to my above reply to Darkbeaver on this page.

 

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butterflies!!!!

This scene may be similar to the "gathering-together" for the Judgment, which will be in the space of the broken up solar system on Doomsday.
This is in the Quran 101: 4
يَوْمَ يَكُونُ النَّاسُ كَالْفَرَاشِ الْمَبْثُوثِ
The explanation:
(The day when people shall be like scattered moths.)

In the Quran, this also is likened to the locusts swarms flying in the sky; but I don't think you may have such a picture!

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You don't know better; only you know some part of the subject.
Go and see what researches and studies they are doing and studying.
I said at the start of the post that there are two opinions: some agree to this idea, and others refuse it.
I don't insist on the idea that the hurricane starts as a sandstorm; refer to my above reply to Darkbeaver on this page.


Neither one of those links implicated dust storms. They said, the same as I did, that hurricanes start from thunderstorms. Sand storms are not thunder storms.

Did you not read the articles you linked to?

A quote:
The layer is a mass of very dry, dusty air that forms over the Sahara Desert and influences the development of tropical cyclones, the general name given to tropical depressions, storms and hurricanes. Budding hurricanes in the tropical Atlantic off the African coast often rapidly deteriorate when they interact with this stable air mass and its strong winds.

Starting in the dessert, as you put it, is false. The storms which become hurricanes are the result of the change in the Saharan circulation, when monsoons move in to replace the predominant dry air currents that make dust storms. Those are not dust storms, and they don't begin in the dessert. Those begin over water.

Go to your local library and do some real research.