i heard from some people that McCain is no different than Bush, and Obama will provide the change that everyone needs, and this and that. recently it's gotten so out of hand it's really no different than watching a soap opera
Best for America..Obama or McCain?
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If you are going to decide who you will vote for, I certainly hope you will do some research on your own instead of depending on a discussion board to tell you what to think
If you want to know more about Obama, do as I have done. Watch his speeches, read his website, listen to the debates and decide for yourself. That's my advice.
Here are some links that you might find useful.
I STRONGLY suggest this one as it tells the story of his life, his start in politics and his drive and ambition to get into a position where he can make a difference:
Now, you can listen to everyone else with all their biased opinions, perceptions and contexts... or you can DENY IGNORANCE by educating yourself and making your very own decision. I highly suggest the latter.
If you want to know more about Obama, do as I have done. Watch his speeches, read his website, listen to the debates and decide for yourself. That's my advice.
Here are some links that you might find useful.
I STRONGLY suggest this one as it tells the story of his life, his start in politics and his drive and ambition to get into a position where he can make a difference:
Now, you can listen to everyone else with all their biased opinions, perceptions and contexts... or you can DENY IGNORANCE by educating yourself and making your very own decision. I highly suggest the latter.
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Although north of the border I am a Conservative and will proudly vote for Stephen Harper and his government to continue the path they are leading in our election next month, I have to totally agree with Juan on this one. I feel the US is ready for a path change and while Colpy says that Obama is far too liberal, I have a sense that he out of all of what we have seen of American Politics over the past 8 years, is the one individual who will attempt to ensure that there is bipartisanship.
He isn't (or at least hasn't been yet) as exposed to lobbyists and has said he wont succumb to pressure from them, that is not the same as his opponent John McCain, who has lobbyists working for him (his Campaign Manager etc).
He is far too old and the US quite possibly could face something happening to him during his first term if elected (lets not even consider the chances if he has a second term!) and he has nominated a potential VP who doesn't even have a passport and has never been out of the USA!
John McCain while also an undoubted patriot, he is also a "celebrity" (just like he tries to paint Obama) because of his time in captivity and I really don't like how he flip flops (Barrack not experienced and then chooses an even more unexperience running mate).
He is known as a hero because of his time as aPOW, but nothing much is ever said about the fact that he was 894th out of 899 students at his military college! How would you feel if Canada had a PM who came 5th from the bottom out of 899 fellow students? Would you want that individual running the country. People would dsay that that was his attitude with the school and his rebeliousness at the time, but isn't that more reason to wonder if he is right to be the "leader of the free world"?
I may be conservative, but it is time for a change and it is time for Barrack Obama to lead the US on a new path.
You might as well just toss a coin to choose who you're going to vote for. It doesn't really make a difference as they're all funded by the same people, and will pretty much do what they're told by their handlers.
hope you got my rep ;-)
You see there is the difference between you and me. You gave me a neg because you couldn't take the heat, I try to see the good in people and gave you a plus for am interesting post with good links (which I have already seen).
You take life to dam serious, because when it comes down to it, what you or I say on some Internet forum has no effect when 300 million people vote Nov. 4th.
McCain/Palin 08
Your wet dream may come true and Obama wins, but McCain has an 8 point lead. 2 months and counting...
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look B00Mer i really don't give a dam about rep points good or bad they come they go ,you on the other hand wont,is this because you have been brainwashed into thinking all ENGLISH people are the bad guys ,just like in your movies.??your constant childish thinking is pathetic go pick on somebody else as i really couldn't give too tits about your incessant game of pick on the brit.i care not for your political system as i see it as corrupted as ours in as much as you may think your vote counts it don't they have already picked who will win long before you came on the scene ,and you utter inadequacy to see that this is how its been done for years and years only shows me how brainwashed you really are no amount of votes will make a difference to the outcome as it has been proved time and time again that they rig these events anyhow you a a delusional mental patient with issues that in my mind you need to sort out ,i have no interest in McCant or Obummer or any other off world politician who by moving there lips up and down a few times can sway the sheeple to there cause,your heading for a NEW WORLD ORDER and it will make little or no difference,who anybody votes for as bush will probably invoke martial Law and declare the elections void and stay in office anyway,as much as i seem to be entertaining you in you dim witted attempts at humour i do wish you would stop with the take it easy chill out rhetoric that's coming from your ill-informed gob ,go play with somebody else or is it because your too afraid to pick on a Canadian as you and i know the MODS would jump on you like a ton of bricks ,so i can only think that you have chosen me for your little game as the MODS don't give a fuk and are as bias as you good day MORON.!!!!
You really are an Ass Clown, you and your socialist demigod Obama.
The rep point shows you are not interested in debate and are pissed at anyone who thinks different from your warped socialst concept of the world.
I am glad there is an ocean between us, because someone like you would be a serious detriment to Canada or the United States.
It seems you bitch and moan like a immature troll if people don't agree with you, and name call... but you claim to be superior or mature. :roll:
You really are a nut. You say you don't give a **** about U.S. politics above, however there are 7 pages of this thread to the contrary. LOL
I feel sorry for you, your friends and family because with your attitude you could only make those around you miserable and their lives a living hell.
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Obama talked from the beginning, about change,now McCain talks as though he is the one with 'change'
as his motto, it goes on and on, and each will contradict the other to try to catch our
interest, it's a silly game, just like running for class president in elementary school,
try to look better than the other guy, who looks better, who is sexier, who seems
sincere, we will never really know what they actually 'think', I mean 'really' think.
It really is very simple, McCain will win because he is the 'white' guy.
Oh great, when the Liberals start to see they are losing they use racism. :roll:
"You don't vote for Obama, you must be a racist..." **** please.
Obama is not qualified. period. He is smart, but no experience, arrogant (he should have picked Hillary as VP)
McCain/Palin 08
Firstly, I agree with your first sentence, however, there are even Dumbocrats who aren't voting for Obama because he's black.:roll:
Obama has limited experience, that is why he chose Biden who has more experience than Hillary and doesn't carry the same baggage she does.
McCain chose Palin because she is a woman, not for her experience ......she has none. Her qualifications are just as important being second in command to a 72 year old cancer survivor.
No matter though, not one of them has ever made an executive decision, so inexperience is abound.
Hey GWB was Governor of Texas and he totally f**ked the country and the world.....take from that what you will.;-)
There ARE racism in the world and you better believe that B00Mer.
In fact, significant amount of people in America still believes Obama is MUSLIM.
Not only this is arrogant, it is wrong.
On the other hand, if I could vote, I would vote for Obama just because his black, his smart, he knows how to handle diplomacy. Many would say he has no guts or experience for it but Obama speaks of diplomacy and negotiation instead of meaningless political moves like being tough on Iraq or Iran. I mean WOW, sure you can be tough and ignore whatever going on in the world but in the end the world demands compassion and openess from America--not closed doors. And I believe Obama will deliver that despite his lack of experience because he understands other cultures instead of simply relying on America. He had lived in Indonesia and Hawaii. How multicultural can you get from Hawaii?
What America needs is not a war hero but a compromiser and decisive leader who would lead a different America.
Finally though...an African-American on the ticket.
As for Palin...please, she says she refused funds for "bridge to no where" but Alaska is one of the most expensive state in U.S (pet projects are everywhere). Plus the high oil prices, its OBVIOUS they are in a good shape. And I hate the way she brags about something that lacks truth to it.
In fact, significant amount of people in America still believes Obama is MUSLIM.
Not only this is arrogant, it is wrong.
On the other hand, if I could vote, I would vote for Obama just because his black, his smart, he knows how to handle diplomacy. Many would say he has no guts or experience for it but Obama speaks of diplomacy and negotiation instead of meaningless political moves like being tough on Iraq or Iran. I mean WOW, sure you can be tough and ignore whatever going on in the world but in the end the world demands compassion and openess from America--not closed doors. And I believe Obama will deliver that despite his lack of experience because he understands other cultures instead of simply relying on America. He had lived in Indonesia and Hawaii. How multicultural can you get from Hawaii?
What America needs is not a war hero but a compromiser and decisive leader who would lead a different America.
Finally though...an African-American on the ticket.
As for Palin...please, she says she refused funds for "bridge to no where" but Alaska is one of the most expensive state in U.S (pet projects are everywhere). Plus the high oil prices, its OBVIOUS they are in a good shape. And I hate the way she brags about something that lacks truth to it.
Yes Avro, you are correct. Race and sex will play a huge part in this election.
People will vote based on his color of skin, and others will vote based on Palin's sex.
It should NOT be that way, but it is.
As far as Palin not being qualified... I submit the link below for you to read and compare Obama vs. Palin.
http://www.intlads.com/Obama-Palin.htm
...and as far as Gov. Sarah Palin's executive experience;
http://www.intlads.com/experience.htm
( above links hosted by www.INTLADS.com )
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This thread is dumb! No cut n paste or link posting didn't last long...The Pres is never in control of the Country, he is the guy who finds out everything when he needs to know it, he is a distraction to what is really going on ....a pupet sorta speak...can't stand any of it...most American politicians are war mongers!
The one the who disagrees with the topic is the one that complains the most...
This two above links make sense, so you want to have them removed. :roll:
How is the President never in control??? Why would the President have veto power if he is not in control or just a puppet???
Meh, I've known how to swim since I was a toddler.
I guess that depends on who you ask..... from what I have reviewed, from what I heard from his own mouth, he was an arrogant big shot who thought he was God's gift to women and he got to where he was due to his father pulling some strings here and there..... based on the amount of times he crashed his planes, and his actions during those times, he's a joke..... Bush almost out does him with his own farce of a record.
But you know, if I make a Saving Private Ryan-Style biography like they did for McCain during his acceptance speech, I could make Ali-G look like a War Hero
Keep it Real!
Oh give me a break.... :roll:..... yeah, he refused to be released for political gains.... what a hero he was. First, he was following his orders of First one in, First one out. Following Orders isn't anything special..... and I'm sure that if he did take the transfer offer, the other POW's would have beaten his sorry arse to death before he left his bunk.
There's a load of scoundrels already running in the US government, I'm the least of the worries. Do I have anything to back up my claims? Common Sense and basic logic backed up by the given evidence for starters.
Eagle's the one who brought up the footage of the missile being fired and all this un-questionable evidence and proof of his wonderful heroic career.... I have yet to see any of it. What I have seen was limited, lacked any proof or evidence backing up his own statements, and there is a lot of reasonable doubt within and without the whole situation.
And I'm not the one running for president in the US, he is.... I don't need to prove anything, he needs to prove himself, which thus far, he hasn't. All I have seen so far are what you claim are Lies from Scoundrels.... the same scoundrels you support.
Dumbass grainy black and white footage of nobody that can be identified directly in it is not what I would call solid evidence. And just because you slap a photo of him standing in front of a jet, prior to showing the footage of the explosions on deck, doesn't make the narration true.
If this was a court, I'd thrown the whole case out long ago.
So what? Use you're friggin brain and put two and two together. He had trouble getting out of a cockpit because by his own words, he slacked off in his studies and never bothered to pay attention..... when the time came, he didn't know what to do..... which would lead any sane person to question what else didn't his know or learn when it comes to operating an aircraft.... such as which switches he should not be playing around with while he sits and waits for take off.
Question: Who was the pilot who did launch the missile?
Question: What form of punishment did this individual receive for being responsible for the deaths of 135 fellow men?
Shove your trolling finger up your arse.... both you and Eagle pumped McCain up to being some great guy, and I questioned your examples and your evidence that backed this claim up. I viewed the information and the evidence, and I presented alternative concepts that could have very well happened based on the given information.... proving that what you two claimed is not absolute nor without question.
You both have this nack for believing anything that it told to you without question..... I question everything, and whether or not you like what I have to say or suggest, you can not prove what I claim wrong, anymore then I can prove what you claimed.
And that was the point I was trying to make in the first place..... that regardless of what anybody believes in these examples, nothing can be proven without a shadow of a doubt, and that there is more evidence backing up my claims more then there are backing your claims.
And if you want to call that trolling, just simply because you can't hack alternative concepts, or that they piss you off, then too damn bad, welcome to the real world where not everybody agrees with you.
Grow up.
Say Praxius you're a Big McCain fan huh??
You will love this link and probably laugh your ass off, if you haven't already seen it. :lol: :lol:
You will love this link and probably laugh your ass off, if you haven't already seen it. :lol: :lol:
I use my Tin Foil for bongs not hats....
Was 9/11 and inside job? Totally different topic completely and doesn't relate, so I won't even respond with what I think of that.
But then again, those who can not prove their side tend to resort to petty talk about tin foil hats and dismiss actual and logical questions or evidence provided by the other side.
Go ahead, keep ignoring common sense and stick to the answers that suit you, regardless of actual evidence.
I mean, without myself backing anything up, I claim I'm Satan's Anti-Christ..... but if you question my claim, then you have to be a tin foil conspiracy freak.
See how that works? It doesn't... it just makes you sound like a closed minded silly person who won't venture into alternative concepts that might bother you.
Ok...lets look at this as an incident as opposed to a campaign issue.
If you go on Youtube you can find some films on it. I went on myself and they all seemed of very poor quality. They had a documentary about it which was pretty good but who knows when that will pop up.
It was a tragedy is what it was and McCaine was involved.
Well I exaggerate because they are trying to blame McCaine for this and he was only a player in the event and not the cause.
McCaine was in an A-4 attack squadron and they were positioned on the port quarter of the flight deck. The missle was fired accidently from an F-4 Phantom.
I am not sure if they even had missles. The A-4 Skyhawk is an attack plane. It is capable of carrying sidewinders but if McCaine had fired his missle it would have hit the aircraft close to the island or superstructure. The fire was at the stern of the ship.
Again...his career is being called a joke because people don't want him to be president.
What is fake about his background?
When I was a Marine I went to Sea School in San Diego. Sea School is where Marines went to school before being assigned to Marine Detachments afloat. One of the things we were taught was ship board firefighting. The Navy had a film about the USS Forestall fire, that we are talking about. That is the film they show during the training. Every flight ops on a carrier is filmed. There are a few different angles. One angle showed the missle coming off the F-4. The film you have seen just shows the camera panning to the the fire. The missle traveled across the deck and hit McCaines fuel pylon and it burst into flames. McCaine did stay in the plane because he had two options...eject...or jump off into the flames that were spreading under his plane. He eventually popped his canopy and jumped and made a run for it. He was no more than a foot note in the tragedy until now. All of those A-4's were fully loaded with bombs. The lesson that they were teaching us was the lack of immediate action on behalf on the flight deck crew. If hoses had been brought to McCaines plane and the flames smothered tragedy could have been avoided. It did not happen that way and the flames heated up the bombs and they went off causing the uncontrollable fires that claimed 130+ lives.
That's ok, because we're fully aware of the amount of jobs you guys are losing down there, just as we are losing our jobs here in this country, all because of the dependance of NAFTA we've sucked ourselves into. If Obama wants to trash NAFTA, he's got my support..... if any of our parties want to trash NAFTA and give control of business back to those inside our borders.... they got my support as well.
NAFTA ain't a big deal.... both countries worked and lived just fine before it, we can do so again.
Once again, a very lame example of being some big hero.... he was following his orders not to be released early, it wasn't his decision to make, and once again, if he did so, he'd have his ass in a sling.
That's a very poor example of him being some hero....
But then again, I could see the emotional connection some might get when they see footage of him half crying to the camera saying they he loves his family, blah blah blah..... same junk you'd hear from anybody else in that position.
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